Bernie Sanders is the Most Electable Candidate in Either Party - Polidicks

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49239093]Okay, so what about against Rand?[/QUOTE] Rand has almost none of the political favor his father had. It's not really worth mentioning.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49239870]If I have to ask "literally who" then he has no chance and youre wasting a vote.[/QUOTE] no vote is wasted, except a vote on trump that is.

[QUOTE=Megadave;49240191]no vote is wasted, except a vote on trump that is.[/QUOTE] No votes can definitely be wasted and are often outright bad for your interests if you vote for some dumb fringe candidate. By not voting for a more popular candidate that actually has a chance in the election and has interests that are most similar to yours, you're giving the candidate that has the least in common with you an advantage. This is why Gore lost to Bush.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49240244]No votes can definitely be wasted and are often outright bad for your interests if you vote for some dumb fringe candidate. By not voting for a more popular candidate that actually has a chance in the election and has interests that are most similar to yours, you're giving the candidate that has the least in common with you an advantage. This is why Gore lost to Bush.[/QUOTE] Voting for people based on the likelihood of them winning defeats the purpose of voting

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49240264]Voting for people based on the likelihood of them winning defeats the purpose of voting[/QUOTE] I understand, but I think that's more applicable when the candidate in question is someone that more than 1% of the US population (pulling that out of my ass) has heard of.

Whats the point of voting in a democrat if that democrat is basically pro-business to the detriment of the American people and a Republican lite that does whatever recent polling data shows will help her get into power?

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49240304]I understand, but I think that's more applicable when the candidate in question is someone that more than 1% of the US population (pulling that out of my ass) has heard of.[/QUOTE] Or maybe just because we prefer to vote for someone who we actually agree with, instead of someone who is somewhat electable. If more people stood up and stopped voting for the lesser evil, or for people because they only somewhat agree with them, then those "dumb fringe" Candidates would have more off an audience. I vote based on principle. If more people would that would change things.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;49240399]Or maybe just because we prefer to vote for someone who we actually agree with, instead of someone who is somewhat electable. If more people stood up and stopped voting for the lesser evil, or for people because they only somewhat agree with them, then those "dumb fringe" Candidates would have more off an audience. I vote based on principle. If more people would that would change things.[/QUOTE] That's 100% ideal and I agree, but the deeply established system we currently have will never allow that to happen. Unless sweeping changes are made to the way the voting system works, your dream scenario cannot happen. Making "more people stand up and stop voting for the lesser evil" is WAY easier said than done and is nigh impossible in our current political landscape. You're being too idealist. I'm not saying the only two candidates are Hillary and Trump because they're the two biggest candidates because that's stupid and the election is a year away still. But if you're not on the map now you wont be by 2016 and no amount of standing up for what you believe in or whatever is going to change that.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49240486]That's 100% ideal and I agree, but the deeply established system we currently have will never allow that to happen. Unless sweeping changes are made to the way the voting system works, your dream scenario cannot happen. Making "more people stand up and stop voting for the lesser evil" is WAY easier said than done and is nigh impossible in our current political landscape. You're being too idealist. I'm not saying the only two candidates are Hillary and Trump because they're the two biggest candidates because that's stupid and the election is a year away still. But if you're not on the map now you wont be by 2016 and no amount of standing up for what you believe in or whatever is going to change that.[/QUOTE] You know, that's actually very true. I am a big idealist as well.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49240264]Voting for people based on the likelihood of them winning defeats the purpose of voting[/QUOTE] Our system of democracy is totally broken, though, so it's fine.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;49240084]Google him. Possible Libertarian nominee. If it ain't him, it'll possibly be Johnson again, and everyone should know who he is, speaking he is a former Governor. I'm doing what a few percent of this country does by casting a "protest" vote. Third parties aren't given the time of day, when their entry would be a game changer. Democrats and Republicans have built up a false two party system, and it's total BS. I refuse to vote for anyone who supports GMO labelling, anyone who has supported woo peddlers in the past etc. Sanders has done all of that.[/QUOTE] Wasn't Johnson a republican nominee in 2012? I remember him disappearing off the GOP media and no one ever mentioned him again, then I found out he was running as a Libertarian. Why'd he do it?

[QUOTE=Orkel;49239097]Let's hope people don't skip on voting him because "nobody else votes for him anyway"[/QUOTE] Out of everyone that I've talked to about who is voting for who, half think that he would be the best candidate but aren't voting for him because he is "a lost cause." Like wtf yeah he will be if you shitheads don't vote for the candidate you like best.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49240244]No votes can definitely be wasted and are often outright bad for your interests if you vote for some dumb fringe candidate. By not voting for a more popular candidate that actually has a chance in the election and has interests that are most similar to yours, you're giving the candidate that has the least in common with you an advantage. This is why Gore lost to Bush.[/QUOTE] Pretty much every poll I've read says something like "yes I would vote for Hillary if Sanders lost" he's not going to split the vote, if he looses the nomination then he will concede and plead for voters to vote democrat, the same cannot be said about trump and his band of crazies, he will go independent, split the votes, and will hardly throw his weight behind the other candidates because he's that much of an egotistical compulsive winner, he cannot loose, its not in his character [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] The primary is exactly the time to throw your vote in for Sanders, if you don't then you are giving the ticket to hillary

[QUOTE=Sableye;49240935]Pretty much every poll I've read says something like "yes I would vote for Hillary if Sanders lost" he's not going to split the vote, if he looses the nomination then he will concede and plead for voters to vote democrat, the same cannot be said about trump and his band of crazies, he will go independent, split the votes, and will hardly throw his weight behind the other candidates because he's that much of an egotistical compulsive winner, he cannot loose, its not in his character [editline]3rd December 2015[/editline] The primary is exactly the time to throw your vote in for Sanders, if you don't then you are giving the ticket to hillary[/QUOTE] Yes but my point wasn't made in relation to Sanders who is a very real candidate, evidenced by his polling numbers and the fact that he's been in national debates for this years election. I have put all my support behind Sanders and would vote for him if I was able.

But what chance would a President Sanders have against a Republican-controlled Congress?

Too bad head to head polls are literally worthless this far out from the election

[QUOTE=woolio1;49240618]Our system of democracy is totally broken, though, so it's fine.[/QUOTE] A group of insane candidates except one man is a sign there is a population of insane people for the electorate.

To a lot of you asking, Bernie Sanders wants this campaign not only to be about him winning the presidency, it's to generate enthusiasm for democrats, minorities and liberals to vote in droves. Which he has said will help recapture state and federal legislatures, governorships and local governments. Kind of like a 2006 midterm/2008 election combo scenario.

Bernie Sanders is the Most Electable Candidate in Either Party, just not in his own primary.

[QUOTE=Mr._N;49241429]But what chance would a President Sanders have against a Republican-controlled Congress?[/QUOTE] I'd rather a lame duck Bernie than any other candidate lol

I registered democrat to vote for him in the primaries

Bernie Sanders is the worst option for president. His economic ideas lack any foresight everything he does is just "feel good" policies. Raising the minimum wage to 14$, are you kidding me? I would never tell someone who to vote for, but I will certainly advise anyone to not vote for this guy, literally anyone besides him is a better option.

if i could vote for obama again i would still i'll settle for bernie though

[QUOTE=wystan;49242963]Bernie Sanders is the worst option for president. His economic ideas lack any foresight everything he does is just "feel good" policies. Raising the minimum wage to 14$, are you kidding me? I would never tell someone who to vote for, but I will certainly advise anyone to not vote for this guy, literally anyone besides him is a better option.[/QUOTE] 15 actually. Many economists agree with bernies ideas and say it could save us billions. Reinstating glass steagal and breaking up the too big to fail banks and adding a tax to wall street speculation along with higher taxes on the rich are my favorite positions of his. We have the ability to give every citizen health care and a higher education

[QUOTE=cody8295;49243099]Reinstating glass steagal and breaking up the too big to fail banks and adding a tax to wall street speculation along with higher taxes on the rich are my favorite positions of his.[/QUOTE] He is [B]never[/B] going get that legislation passed. Wall Street and the lobbyists will never allow it. The Republican congress that he'll inherit for his first two years will never allow it.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49243134]He is [B]never[/B] going get that legislation passed. Wall Street and the lobbyists will never allow it. The Republican congress that he'll inherit for his first two years will never allow it.[/QUOTE] Idk why you have this conception that any legislation is better than no legislation. I'd rather Bernie in office being unable to pass anything than having a candidate in office like Trump that is able to get their horrible legislation passed. [QUOTE=wystan;49242963]Bernie Sanders is the worst option for president. His economic ideas lack any foresight everything he does is just "feel good" policies. Raising the minimum wage to 14$, are you kidding me? I would never tell someone who to vote for, but I will certainly advise anyone to not vote for this guy, literally anyone besides him is a better option.[/QUOTE] If you honest to god think that Trump is a better candidate than Bernie then you're beyond saving lol

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;49240399]Or maybe just because we prefer to vote for someone who we actually agree with, instead of someone who is somewhat electable. If more people stood up and stopped voting for the lesser evil, or for people because they only somewhat agree with them, then those "dumb fringe" Candidates would have more off an audience. I vote based on principle. If more people would that would change things.[/QUOTE] Tactical voting is a necessary and often beneficial "evil" due to our "winner takes all" voting system. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQRyGacBRA4[/media] British, but a lot still applies.

America want's someone who isn't afraid to say what needs to be said, someone who speaks their mind. Trump will win 2016.

I'm amazed how insane America's presidential candidates are.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;49244139]America want's someone who isn't afraid to say what needs to be said, someone who speaks their mind. Trump will win 2016.[/QUOTE] You just said we need someone who isn't afraid to say what needs to be said. In that case we need Bernie, not somebody with a broken brain-to-mouth filter.