Old Navy Ad Features Interracial Couple: People Go Batshit - Polidicks

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50257402]You might not think it, but you're preaching historical materialism from Karl Marx :v:[/QUOTE] No I'm not? Nothing I'm saying has to do with the production of goods, which is the basis of historical materialism. I'm just stating that absolute and continual human moral progress is a shortsighted belief that fails when looking at the entirety of human history. Humanity doesn't progress morally in the same way that it progresses technologically or scientifically and progress in the latter doesn't do anything to ensure progress in the former. It's more along the lines of atheist philosopher John Gray.

I think when people say "in 2016" they mean they don't know nor have they ever known people who actually got mad at interracial couples. Stating the year isn't always dumb, it's just dumb when someone asks you a specific question like "Why did you make it your policy to hire so many women" the spurt out the current year in a clumsy attempt to deflect from your agenda.

[QUOTE=greasemunky;50256524]Uhh, for most people there's nothing controversial about interracial marriage. The fact that people are still being bigoted about this is ridiculous but I highly doubt the average person cares.[/QUOTE] That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about a controversy in the sense that some racist assholes would attack it and thus bring in people who are against those racist assholes, like what is happening right now. [editline]4th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=simkas;50256564]No they didn't, they posted it because it's not the fucking 50s. It's like saying any ad that has a black person in it is doing it to cause controversy. It might have been a controversy 50 years ago, but not the only one who would even remotely find it controversial are racist idiots.[/QUOTE] Refer to the above.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50257496]No I'm not? Nothing I'm saying has to do with the production of goods, which is the basis of historical materialism. I'm just stating that absolute and continual human moral progress is a shortsighted belief that fails when looking at the entirety of human history. Humanity doesn't progress morally in the same way that it progresses technologically or scientifically and progress in the latter doesn't do anything to ensure progress in the former. It's more along the lines of atheist philosopher John Gray.[/QUOTE] Historical materialism derives from the hegelian notion that history is approaching some theoretical "ideal". Hegel said that ideal was this liberal democracy of his day, but historical materialism flipped hegel's idealism on it's head and said that history was expanding outward from somewhere, not moving inward towards some ideal. Such a view is associated with people like Feuerbach, who were called "Young Hegelians"

People who say "it's [current year]" lack the perspective and maturity to understand, yes, there are people who think differently than you.

[QUOTE=_Pai;50257689]People who say "it's [current year]" lack the perspective and maturity to understand, yes, there are people who think differently than you.[/QUOTE] Preferring less taxes over more is thinking differently. Being racist is thinking [I]wrong[/I]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50257697]Preferring less taxes over more is thinking differently. Being racist is thinking [I]wrong[/I][/QUOTE] Sure, they could be objectively wrong or right, but the bottom line is that that's what they think. We shouldn't restrict speech or thought. They are wrong, and racism is horrible, but they have a right to be wrong and we have a right not to give them attention.

It's the Century of the Fruitbat, for crying out loud.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50257384]It is pretty wrong when looking at the history of human civilization. It's constantly going back and forth between barbarity and progress. The 20th century, for example, has lead to more human death than at any other point in human history. Thinking that human society is constantly progressing towards some theoretical ideal is a shortsighted view. Seemingly moral societies can fall to barbarism within just one or two generations.[/QUOTE] I would say you should have a look at why so many people died and not take it as final evidence that humanity "clearly" made a step backwards just because many people died. I don't think humanity makes steps forward and additionally steps backwards. We can only make steps backwards if we lose knowledge or when a civilization is destroyed and has to restart again. What actually happens is that we constantly drift between right wing and left, liberalism and authoritarianism in the course of history. That happens because we create new ideologies and political system we want to try or certain events made us reject past system and believes. For example fascists losing WW2 which was pretty much the climax and end of this whole racially driven imperialism of the past few centuries. What I'm trying to say is that we are always trying out new things to see what works and what doesn't. With that we constantly are making a step forward.

Personally, I think they shouldn't be forcing this kind of stuff down our throats in these ads. Most couples are not mixed race, so it applies less to people when they make all the couples in media be mixed race. It makes us unable to relate to our media, and I thought the entire goal of an ad is to make you feel empathy with the characters, to make you want to buy the product. Also, having children with other races can cause you problems. For instance, there was that Thai-Italian woman who could not find a match for a bone marrow transplant, because Thai-Italian mixes were so rare. You also bring down your genetics if you mix with third-world races. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("That's enough of that" - Novangel))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Shit Posting/Racism" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("I am also banning you" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258190]Personally, I think they shouldn't be forcing this kind of stuff down our throats in these ads. Most couples are not mixed race, so it applies less to people when they make all the couples in media be mixed race. It makes us unable to relate to our media, and I thought the entire goal of an ad is to make you feel empathy with the characters, to make you want to buy the product. Also, having children with other races can cause you problems. For instance, there was that Thai-Italian woman who could not find a match for a bone marrow transplant, because Thai-Italian mixes were so rare. [B]You also bring down your genetics if you mix with third-world races.[/B][/QUOTE] *Ring ring* 1933 called, then want their poisonous eugenics ideology back [url=its2016forchristsake][/url]

[QUOTE=Britain;50256845]This sort of stereotyping makes you just as ignorant as those that are being racist. Holy shit the hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] Not saying that all trump voters are racist, but there's a reason that he's the candidate of choice for the KKK :v: [editline]bushdid911[/editline] i think that 90% of people against the "it's 2015" thing only complain because the john oliver meme happened. If I say "slavery is bad" I don't expect to be congratulated on my progressive ideals because its, yknow, 2015. It's just a saying, don't get so worked up over it. [editline]4th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=matt_caster;50258190] bring down your genetics if you mix with third-world races.[/QUOTE] [I]there[/I] it is

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50258216]*Ring ring* 1933 called, then want their poisonous eugenics ideology back [url=its2016forchristsake][/url][/QUOTE] Hey, Im not calling for hurting or killing anyone. It's pretty messed up you can just insult me and equate me to a Nazi for wanting the best for the future of humanity. You are being really mean to me for no reason. I just want people to be responsible about the children they have. And raise their kids to be the best future scientists and discoverers for the world. It's their choice, but they should be smart!

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258247]Hey, Im not calling for hurting or killing anyone. It's pretty messed up you can just insult me and equate me to a Nazi for wanting the best for the future of humanity. You are being really mean to me for no reason. I just want people to be responsible about the children they have. And raise their kids to be the best future scientists and discoverers for the world. It's their choice, but they should be smart![/QUOTE] Right, so ensuring racial purity is the best for our genetic makeup. Which is completely unlike what the nazis believed. Tell me: what about "third world races" makes it unsafe to have children with? Are africans genetically less intelligent than Europeans?

[QUOTE=Mining Bill;50258234]Not saying that all trump voters are racist, but there's a reason that he's the candidate of choice for the KKK :v:[/QUOTE] You mean the same one that retracted his support for Trump and now endorses Hillary? [url]http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-14/ku-klux-klan-grand-dragon-will-quigg-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president[/url]

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258190]Personally, I think they shouldn't be forcing this kind of stuff down our throats in these ads. Most couples are not mixed race, so it applies less to people when they make all the couples in media be mixed race. It makes us unable to relate to our media, and I thought the entire goal of an ad is to make you feel empathy with the characters, to make you want to buy the product. Also, having children with other races can cause you problems. For instance, there was that Thai-Italian woman who could not find a match for a bone marrow transplant, because Thai-Italian mixes were so rare. You also bring down your genetics if you mix with third-world races.[/QUOTE] Wow, there are so many things wrong with this post. [QUOTE]Personally, I think they shouldn't be forcing this kind of stuff down our throats in these ads[/QUOTE] How is anybody forcing anything down your throat by using an image of an interracial couple? And what are they forcing down your throat to begin with? That interracial couples exist? That you should race mix? Nobody is forcing anything down your throat with an image. [QUOTE]Most couples are not mixed race, so it applies less to people when they make all the couples in media be mixed race.[/QUOTE] A tiny minority of couples in media are mixed race. I don't see where you got the idea that they make all of them interracial, because they don't. I see mixed couples as rarely in media as in real life. [QUOTE]It makes us unable to relate to our media, and I thought the entire goal of an ad is to make you feel empathy with the characters, to make you want to buy the product.[/QUOTE] What are you even talking about? You don't have to relate to anyone to decide if you want to buy their clothes, lmao. You are talking like you are criticizing a movie, it doesn't make sense. [QUOTE]For instance, there was that Thai-Italian woman who could not find a match for a bone marrow transplant, because Thai-Italian mixes were so rare.[/QUOTE] Not only are Thais and Italians not races on their own, but saying that you shouldn't have children with a person you love just because there is an incredibly rare chance your child might need a bone marrow transplant is grasping at straws. [QUOTE]You also bring down your genetics if you mix with third-world races.[/QUOTE] Not only does scientific evidence suggest that race mixing gives you healthier offspring because of the genetic differences, but I'd like you you elaborate on how you are supposedly bringing down your genetics by mixing with them.

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258247]Hey, Im not calling for hurting or killing anyone. It's pretty messed up you can just insult me and equate me to a Nazi for wanting the best for the future of humanity. You are being really mean to me for no reason. [/QUOTE] We all feel terrible. I'm sure all those tears have positively ruined your favorite brown shirt.

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258190]You also bring down your genetics if you mix with third-world races.[/QUOTE] Why the fuck do you subscribe to eugenics. What good do you see in it besides "~clean race~" which makes no sense.

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258190]Personally, I think they shouldn't be forcing this kind of stuff down our throats in these ads. Most couples are not mixed race, so it applies less to people when they make all the couples in media be mixed race. It makes us unable to relate to our media, and I thought the entire goal of an ad is to make you feel empathy with the characters[/QUOTE] Wait wait wait so let me get this straight You're saying you can't relate to and empathize with someone... because they're a different race? Like, do you look at an ad and think "gosh, i can't connect to this person at all... their skin is a few shades too dark!"

[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;50258417]but I'd like you you elaborate on how you are supposedly bringing down your genetics by mixing with them.[/QUOTE] What's hilarious is that a majority of American eugenicists tend to be of Anglo-Saxon descent, which is gut-bustingly ironic considering Anglo-Saxon is in and of itself a mixing of two separate cultures.

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258190]You also bring down your genetics if you mix with third-world races.[/QUOTE] Pray tell, how would race mixing with someone from a developing country "bring down your genetics".

I'm like the opposite of eugenics. I think that the world is better with [B]more[/B] race mixing. I think that mixed kids are better looking than white-only kids. I think that more people should date outside of their race. I think we should have more racial diversity in this country. I will be very happy the day I read a headline which says "white people no longer majority".

[QUOTE=Jacen;50258492]Pray tell, how would race mixing with someone from a developing country "bring down your genetics".[/QUOTE] "It makes you not white" is the usual reason I've seen, or that bizarro grasping at straws with some (unsourced) case where it was difficult to find a bone marrow transplant due to the genetics of the parents.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50258302]Right, so ensuring racial purity is the best for our genetic makeup. Which is completely unlike what the nazis believed. Tell me: what about "third world races" makes it unsafe to have children with? Are africans genetically less intelligent than Europeans?[/QUOTE] I can tell you, they do genetically have lower IQs than Europeans and Asians, if that is your idea of intelligence. As you can see in this list: [url]https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country[/url] There also are studies that show a very high correlation between your parents IQ and your IQ, regardless of environment. And split-twin studies where identical twins were reared apart really hammer home how connected to genetics your IQ is.

This doesn't surprise me at all the people would bitch about this. My father is against interracial relationships, doesn't surprise me that there's more people that think like him.

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258526]I can tell you, they do genetically have lower IQs than Europeans and Asians, if that is your idea of intelligence. As you can see in this list: [url]https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country[/url] There also are studies that show a very high correlation between your parents IQ and your IQ, regardless of environment. And split-twin studies where identical twins were reared apart really hammer home how connected to genetics your IQ is.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, the highly official and trustworthy .info site that provides no detail on sample size, demographics, or how these IQs were measured. Also split-twin studies or interracial adoption studies are nowhere near conclusive, and also do not factor in the age when the child was adopted.

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258526]I can tell you, they do genetically have lower IQs than Europeans and Asians[/QUOTE] Has it occurred to you that you're using "by country"? Has it gone through your mind that the reason may be, in fact, a lack of a strong education system and the inability for commoners to access more rigorous forms of schooling? Did any of that come to mind, or are you simply going to jump to "because, uh, idk genetics"?

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;50258559]Ah yes, the highly official and trustworthy .info site that provides no detail on sample size, demographics, or how these IQs were measured. Also split-twin studies or interracial adoption studies are nowhere near conclusive, and also do not factor in the age when the child was adopted.[/QUOTE] It's a known fact that certain races have sizably lower IQ averages, but it's almost certainly not because of genetics.

[QUOTE=matt_caster;50258526]I can tell you, they do genetically have lower IQs than Europeans and Asians, if that is your idea of intelligence. As you can see in this list: [url]https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country[/url][/QUOTE] The supposed IQ differences between races are at best unresolved, and at worst meaningless. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15641921[/url] [url]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_q6VhhkczIYSXBabkZtRWlPTVk/view[/url] "In conclusion, intelligence is, at this time, ill defined. Although many investigators study “IQ” or “g” as an operational definition of intelligence, [I][B]these operationalizations are at best incomplete, even according to those who accept the constructs as useful (e.g., Carroll, 1993).[/B][/I] Research suggests that properties of intelligence beyond g may be somewhat different from those of g (e.g., Gardner, 1983; Sternberg et al., 2000, 2001). Race is a social construction, not a biological construct, and studies currently indicating alleged genetic bases of racial differences in intelligence fail to make their point even for these social-defined groups. In general, we need to be careful, in psychological research, to distinguish our folk conceptions of constructs from the constructs themselves." Additionally, IQ is based on averages of populations so even if it [I]were[/I] meaningful and true for racial averages, it would only be useful for making judgements of large-scale populations. It wouldn't tell you anything about individuals within a group. Furthermore, iq-research.info cites the works of Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen as their sources; The works of these researchers have both been heavily criticized for unsystematic methodology, incomplete data, cherry-picking, and various misrepresentations. [QUOTE=matt_caster;50258526]There also are studies that show a very high correlation between your parents IQ and your IQ, regardless of environment. And split-twin studies where identical twins were reared apart really hammer home how connected to genetics your IQ is.[/QUOTE] Link them then.

[QUOTE=L0en31;50258474]Wait wait wait so let me get this straight You're saying you can't relate to and empathize with someone... because they're a different race? Like, do you look at an ad and think "gosh, i can't connect to this person at all... their skin is a few shades too dark!"[/QUOTE] It's really not that high level of a process. It's an intuitive thing in people. Most people date within their own race, that is a fact.