Obama ready to share nuclear secrets with Russia; ignores congressional approval clause - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mixshifter;34066499]This. It's like you guys completely forgot about the cold war in which we both had absolute potential to annihilate the other force, but we didn't do it. Both US and Soviet Union wanted the rank of the "most powerful country" at the time and in which caused them to constantly make bombs. None however were used against each other. They were afraid of each other, but had no intention of taking the opposing force out. Simply because it would've ended just as badly for the winner of that war, such as starting a World War 3. Don't think that's going to change.[/QUOTE] Russia nearly sent nukes. A single man stopped them from sending actual warheads in the last few minutes had he not noticed an error, or something along those lines.

[QUOTE=Kendra;34066563]Russia nearly sent nukes. A single man stopped them from sending actual warheads in the last few minutes had he not noticed an error, or something along those lines.[/QUOTE] They nearly sent nukes because there was an error in their equipment that made it look as if America had sent nukes. Absolutely nobody was at fault.

-snip-

[QUOTE=Cone;34066657]They nearly sent nukes because there was an error in their equipment that made it look as if America had sent nukes. Absolutely nobody was at fault.[/QUOTE] Which is basically what I said without specifying the error. I didn't say it was human error, did I?

[QUOTE=Kendra;34066710]Which is basically what I said without specifying the error. I didn't say it was human error, did I?[/QUOTE] Sorry, I thought you were implying that Russia almnost nuking America was somehow intentional, despite the second bit of the sentence saying otherwise. Must have been braindead for a second there

Russia today is a lot better than 1946-1991's Soviet Union. Soviet Union was obsessed with spreading communism as United States was just as dedicated to preventing it from spreading. I don't think Russia has any reason to use nuclear tactics against us.

[QUOTE=That Poster;34064332]Giving your enemies information regarding your most important defense installations is a bit [I]too[/I] close.[/QUOTE] How's it feel to be stuck in the 20th century?

Russia is not the Soviet Union that the US's used to fear. Russia is just a regional power nowadays, a shadow of its former self. I don't know when but back when Russia send some forces in Venezuela for some military exercise, America simply didn't gave a fuck.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;34066434]I don't see what's so funny. It's true. We are WAY more corrupt than Americans are. (I'm Russian, the flagdog lies)[/QUOTE] We are talking about the same USA right? The one that got paid by Di'gorno to say Pizza was a vegetable, the one that said its OK to bully gay people for religious reason, the one that keeps sending their own people to die in a unnecesary war against "terrorism", the one that is considered passing the SOPA bill without knowing what the fuck it does, the one supporting Israel in war against an enemy that doesnt stand a chance and has tried to enter in peace talks many times? This USA right? The USA is not better than Russia.

[QUOTE=Santz;34067435]The USA is not better than Russia.[/QUOTE] You don't have to be incorruptable to be competent. I'd say the two are roughly evenly matched; America (most of it, anyhow) has good intentions but is incapable of following up on them without raining on someone's parade, and Russia is capable of anything it's motivated to do - money being the only thing that can motivate it.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;34065738]Just to point out, this is not some formal agreement, he is not spending any money on it, and he said he will be informing Congress. Anything else? [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] I think what he is doing is called "diplomacy".[/QUOTE] Sure diplomacy is good, but sharing missile defenses goes a bit too far.

Why do people still act like Russia is the enemy? I think this could be a good step forward in relations. However, it could be dangerous at the same time (as listed in the article). I hope it ends up all well and good

People think his idea is dumb. But Russia has not really done anything to hurt us or attempt to do anything major against us besides the typical political moves that every country does. I would rather have a trust with them and be ally then create more issues. We got enough enemies that don't like us, why create more. Only good things can come from being a partner with Russia. Russians are not evil commies, the cold war mentality can stop.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;34067597]Sure diplomacy is good, but sharing missile defenses goes a bit too far.[/QUOTE] Why? It's not like Russia could actually do anything with this information that wouldn't just result in them being utterly destroyed a few minutes later. But then again you just KNOW they're trying to look all nice and pro-democracy so they can steal your plans and nuke you! Because they totally wouldn't just get owned in retaliation or anything!

[QUOTE=Cone;34067708]Why? It's not like Russia could actually do anything with this information that wouldn't just result in them being utterly destroyed a few minutes later. But then again you just KNOW they're trying to look all nice and pro-democracy so they can steal your plans and nuke you! Because they totally wouldn't just get owned in retaliation or anything![/QUOTE] i dont understand why everyone thinks russias first incentive is to nuke the US what would they even gain out of it, if these corrupt politicians are so prevalent in the kremlin then surely their main motive would be greed; they would lose an assload of money if they nuked the US and would likely cause their own deaths in days. its a fact, not theory

Obama's pulling a Jefferson eh?

[QUOTE=cat man;34065608]I love how when talking about some US military action, people on the internet rage about how the US only uses brute force, etc. Now that the government is using diplomacy, people are still raging.[/QUOTE] I find it more interesting when people speak on behalf of their countries. How many times has 'we' come up here- 'we' do this and 'they' do that. Last I recall I don't have anything to do with US foreign policy beyond what I pay in taxes. Any more than the average person in Russia does.

[QUOTE=MR-X;34067669]People think his idea is dumb. But Russia has not really done anything to hurt us or attempt to do anything major against us besides the typical political moves that every country does. I would rather have a trust with them and be ally then create more issues. We got enough enemies that don't like us, why create more. Only good things can come from being a partner with Russia. Russians are not evil commies, the cold war mentality can stop.[/QUOTE] In fact, being close with Russia could be a good thing, since they have more influence with countries that the US has poor relations with.

[QUOTE=MercZ;34068344]I find it more interesting when people speak on behalf of their countries. How many times has 'we' come up here- 'we' do this and 'they' do that. Last I recall I don't have anything to do with US foreign policy beyond what I pay in taxes. Any more than the average person in Russia does.[/QUOTE] It's "we" as in "we Americans" or "we Russians", since the leadership of a given country tends to be of the same nationality. You refer to the leadership of a country as their country, as that's normally the only thing that seprates you - as such, the people of that country shall do the same. Bit pendantic, don't you think?

Wow, there's a whole lot of ignorance in the first half of this thread, isn't there? I know it's been said to the point of nausea by now, but I feel it hasn't been said enough to dispel the misconceptions entirely. [b]The Cold War is over. It ended over 20 years ago. Russia is not our enemy.[/b] The situation between the United States and Russia is neutral at best, and placing a missile system in Europe, only relatively short distances away from Russia, is making the Russian military a bit nervous. Regardless of the fact that their paranoia is unjustified (it's as justified as the United States thinking Russia is an enemy; see "The Cold War is over"), having a country whose relation is neutral being antsy is far from an ideal situation. The purpose of the missile system is to defend from the United States' [b]actual enemies[/b], in the possibility that any of them obtain ICBM capabilities (and some bizarre twist to logic has them find it justifiable to use them). Just to reiterate. [b]The Cold War is over. Russia is not our enemy. This missile system is not to defend from Russia, but from the US's [i]actual[/i] enemies.[/b] I'm not really sure what to think about the sharing of specifications about the system, though. While I find the fear of Russia using the specs to engineer counters to be a bit ridiculous, the possibility of them leaking to hostile/rogue states such as Iran is far more likely. As it's been said numerous times, the Russian Government isn't exactly known for being squeaky clean. I won't claim to have any scholarly knowledge about Russia or its governmental operations, but I would imagine it to be a realistic possibility that one of their officials may do some dealing under the table, selling the information acquired from this offering to interested parties that may be hostile, or have relations with parties that are hostile. Like I said, though, I don't really know much about the possibilities of such things, nor do I know exactly how much information Obama intends to share, so I can't really judge the decision. Though bypassing Congress completely is a bit less than honorable, I can understand his motives for doing it, seeing as Congress has been known to repeatedly shoot down more or less anything he tries to do, regardless of what it is. [editline]Fish[/editline] Oh wow. First post of the third page. :v:

While I don't get the reason why they do this. I agree, people need to get that the Cold War is over. If there is a place where the US should focus her game, it's the Far East and Middle East not Europe. China is more dangerous in this game of geopolitics than Russia. They even plan to have a military base in Pakistan. Quite an uneasy thought for US and India.