Colorado theater shooter James Holmes sentenced to life in prison - Polidicks

why do we need to react like barbarians to a barbarian i genuinely don't understand why we can't stay civilized in dealing with this

In support of the death penalty, the fact of the matter is that it can cost up to six figures to provide for one prisoner, for one year. Would you rather have that kind of money going into someone who has been declared basically unfit for normal life, or back into the public sector, supporting people who actually haven't committed a crime? [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=elitehakor;48405754]why do we need to react like barbarians to a barbarian i genuinely don't understand why we can't stay civilized in dealing with this[/QUOTE] How is it civilized to detain a man within a concrete prison for the rest of his life, keeping him alive for the sole purpose of him suffering for his actions?

[QUOTE=Derposaurus;48405762]How is it civilized to detain a man within a concrete prison for the rest of his life, keeping him alive for the sole purpose of him suffering for his actions?[/QUOTE] This. He's doing nothing at all for anyone. He and everyone else knows he's "terminally" ill in his head. Cases like this are where capital punishment needs to happen. I'm kinda annoyed that CO didn't sentence him to death. Let the prison system be available for people who actually need it. Not mentally ill lifers who do nothing for anyone, or the "revolving door" people...don't get me started there.

[QUOTE=elitehakor;48405684]why would you ever wish death or rape upon someone else[/QUOTE] it has been a fairly standard human response throughout history for people to wish death upon those they feel have wronged them or their society. while i don't agree that holmes should die, wanting him dead isn't really the outlandish and sociopathic idea that you seem to make it wishing rape upon someone, though, is too far

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48405825]it has been a fairly standard human response throughout history for people to wish death upon those they feel have wronged them or their society. while i don't agree that holmes should die, wanting him dead isn't really the outlandish and sociopathic idea that you seem to make it wishing rape upon someone, though, is too far[/QUOTE] Holmes needs to be eradicated from society but rape is too much.

[QUOTE=Extronic;48405837]as wrong as rape is, let's not pretend it won't happen[/QUOTE] Prison isn't Shawshank bud.

i never said prison was 100% civilized. the prison system needs a massive reform too. ending someone's life, however, is probably one of the worst things i can imagine. you execute someone and that's that. they never get a chance to reflect on their actions. they never get a chance to seek help or repent. and what does society gain? a few ten thousand dollars? [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48405825]it has been a fairly standard human response throughout history for people to wish death upon those they feel have wronged them or their society. while i don't agree that holmes should die, wanting him dead isn't really the outlandish and sociopathic idea that you seem to make it wishing rape upon someone, though, is too far[/QUOTE] i didn't mean to make it sound i thought it was sociopathic. i agree it's a basic human response, but those can be suppressed

[QUOTE=elitehakor;48405860]i never said prison was 100% civilized. the prison system needs a massive reform too. ending someone's life, however, is probably one of the worst things i can imagine. you execute someone and that's that. they never get a chance to reflect on their actions. they never get a chance to seek help or repent. and what does society gain? a few ten thousand dollars?[/QUOTE] Why does it matter if they reflect on their actions? Did they give their victims the same chance to reflect on their own lives? To contribute to society? No. So why should we? What does society gain by giving them time to get guilt and regret? With respect to cost, just estimating annual cost at $100k (which is actually quite low), that money could be put towards supporting 4 "average" people (using the ~$25k median annual income) instead, people who could, you know, actually contribute?

[QUOTE=Derposaurus;48405889]Why does it matter if they reflect on their actions? Did they give their victims the same chance to reflect on their own lives? To contribute to society? No. So why should we? What does society gain by giving them time to get guilt and regret? With respect to cost, just estimating annual cost at $100k (which is actually quite low), that money could be put towards supporting 4 "average" people (using the ~$25k median annual income) instead, people who could, you know, actually contribute?[/QUOTE] Again, this. Kill this fucker that did this, (come on guys... bullets are cheap) and re-purpose the funds that would have been otherwise spent into actual useful things that help people that give back to society. Why pay for him to live for 50ish years at 100k+ a year (I make this actually working for a living), when he will not do shit to help society? What do we actually gain from this piece of walking fecal matter being kept alive?

it matters because they're human? they have thoughts, emotions, feelings just like us. if he gets help, feels guilt and regret, realizes what he's done, then who is losing? and you can still be useful to society in prison. you can do simple manufacturing, take classes and use those skills (in prison, of course), or even help other prisoners. should he (or anyone like him) be released after rehabilitation? fuck no, he committed a crime and needs to be locked away from society. but saying he can contribute to society by being dead is wild to me.

[QUOTE=elitehakor;48405937]it matters because they're human? they have thoughts, emotions, feelings just like us. if he gets help, feels guilt and regret, realizes what he's done, then who is losing? and you can still be useful to society in prison. you can do simple manufacturing, take classes and use those skills (in prison, of course), or even help other prisoners. should he (or anyone like him) be released after rehabilitation? fuck no, he committed a crime and needs to be locked away from society. but saying he can contribute to society by being dead is wild to me.[/QUOTE] Yeah he's not doing dick for society in his position. Stamping license plates (which he won't do since he's gonna be in solitary) won't at all pay back his six figure a year cost to keep him alive. Sometimes the rabid dog needs to just be put down. It sucks, but it's true. If he had actual help, maybe, then things would go better but that's not how things panned out. People get the shit end of the stick, which this asshole did. So...again...why are tax payers paying six figures for this mental case to live, when he does nothing to actually help anyone, other than look bug eyed and creepy?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48405642].45 slug to the head will cost about 20 cents. What will society lose? Nothing? Yup.[/QUOTE] .45 slug to he head would cost 20 cents* *Plus millions in court fees for appeals against the death penalty that are a necessary process [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;48405954]Yeah he's not doing dick for society in his position. Stamping license plates (which he won't do since he's gonna be in solitary) won't at all pay back his six figure a year cost to keep him alive. Sometimes the rabid dog needs to just be put down. It sucks, but it's true. If he had actual help, maybe, then things would go better but that's not how things panned out. People get the shit end of the stick, which this asshole did. So...again...why are tax payers paying six figures for this mental case to live, when he does nothing to actually help anyone, other than look bug eyed and creepy?[/QUOTE] If you don't want to waste taxpayer dollars you'd keep him alive [url]http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42[/url] [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] And don't you dare argue that the death penalty needs to be a "swift" process, that's just asking for horrible things to happen

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Is probably the argument most of you are looking for, but, I see it as Eye for an Eye, period. I say giving him life is just not enough.

[QUOTE=Derposaurus;48405762]In support of the death penalty, the fact of the matter is that it can cost up to six figures to provide for one prisoner, for one year. Would you rather have that kind of money going into someone who has been declared basically unfit for normal life, or back into the public sector, supporting people who actually haven't committed a crime? [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] How is it civilized to detain a man within a concrete prison for the rest of his life, keeping him alive for the sole purpose of him suffering for his actions?[/QUOTE] The death penalty still costs a vast amount more money than keeping someone in prison for life, so it is economically better for life in prison than giving him the death penalty

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48405954]Yeah he's not doing dick for society in his position. Stamping license plates (which he won't do since he's gonna be in solitary) won't at all pay back his six figure a year cost to keep him alive. Sometimes the rabid dog needs to just be put down. It sucks, but it's true. If he had actual help, maybe, then things would go better but that's not how things panned out. People get the shit end of the stick, which this asshole did. So...again...why are tax payers paying six figures for this mental case to live, when he does nothing to actually help anyone, other than look bug eyed and creepy?[/QUOTE] it's hypocritical to say killing is wrong and then turn around and say "but us killing you is just" a government should never have legal power to kill people because that's a terrifying amount of power to hand to humans who are always capable of making mistakes. if you claim that killing one person is worth it what's to stop another person whose deemed "equally bad" until it get stop an excessive point. killing them does nothing to end the suffering a death row inmate caused and just creates more misery for their family; especially with the stigma they gain.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48406079].45 slug to he head would cost 20 cents* *Plus millions in court fees for appeals against the death penalty that are a necessary process [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] If you don't want to waste taxpayer dollars you'd keep him alive [url]http://deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42[/url] [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] And don't you dare argue that the death penalty needs to be a "swift" process, that's just asking for horrible things to happen[/QUOTE] The death penalty is overly expensive. It doesn't need to be.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408125]The death penalty is overly expensive. It doesn't need to be.[/QUOTE] Yes, it should be extremely easy and cost effective for people to be legally killed by the state.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;48408147]Yes, it should be extremely easy and cost effective for people to be legally killed by the state.[/QUOTE] After a decent legal trial, yes. Some crimes, such as this, warrant death.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408219]After a decent legal trial, yes. Some crimes, such as this, warrant death.[/QUOTE] You can either have a decent legal trial or a cheap execution, not both.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;48408224]You can either have a decent legal trial or a cheap execution, not both.[/QUOTE] Execution drugs are expensive. Do something else. A 45 to the head is painless and cheap.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408226]Execution drugs are expensive. Do something else. A 45 to the head is painless and cheap.[/QUOTE] It's not the cost of the execution method, it's the cost of the legal process.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;48408243]It's not the cost of the execution method, it's the cost of the legal process.[/QUOTE] Why is it so expensive compared to life without parole?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408320]Why is it so expensive compared to life without parole?[/QUOTE] If you had the potential for death penalty would you not drag your feet as long as possible?

[QUOTE=Protocol7;48408343]If you had the potential for death penalty would you not drag your feet as long as possible?[/QUOTE] Why aren't there protocols in place to stop that from happening?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408347]Why aren't there protocols in place to stop that from happening?[/QUOTE]Because no matter what one has done, they have a right to fight for their life. Removing that turns government into a scary thing.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408347]Why aren't there protocols in place to stop that from happening?[/QUOTE] Because we have a court system that encourages a fair trial above all else?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408320]Why is it so expensive compared to life without parole?[/QUOTE] Because the state executing someone is a big fucking deal. It doesn't matter who's been condemned, if someone is going to have their life legally taken away then that process needs to be water tight, and you can't do that on a budget and a deadline. The fact that you think it's okay to just take someone round back and put a bullet in their head after a trial is deeply disturbing.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;48408411]Because the state executing someone is a big fucking deal. It doesn't matter who's been condemned, if someone is going to have their life legally taken away then that process needs to be water tight, and you can't do that on a budget and a deadline. The fact that you think it's okay to just take someone round back and put a bullet in their head after a trial is deeply disturbing.[/QUOTE] But he did a horrible thing so we should just throw any kind of humanity out of the window and kill him. Simple right? Right?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48408226]A 45 to the head is painless and cheap.[/QUOTE] Maybe we could line them up so as to not waste so many bullets too, or just send them off to Siberia to work until they collapse, barbaric as hell, but cheap.

[QUOTE=nox;48408468]Maybe we could line them up so as to not waste so many bullets too, or just send them off to Siberia to work to death.[/QUOTE] We could offset the lack of NASA funding by converting death row inmates into fuel.