Colorado theater shooter James Holmes sentenced to life in prison - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Gordonator;48404550]Hope he gets raped a lot.[/QUOTE] I'm sure Tyrone and his buddies will see to that, hopefully

[QUOTE=Wiggles;48408411]Because the state executing someone is a big fucking deal. It doesn't matter who's been condemned, if someone is going to have their life legally taken away then that process needs to be water tight, and you can't do that on a budget and a deadline. The fact that you think it's okay to just take someone round back and put a bullet in their head after a trial is deeply disturbing.[/QUOTE] If the crime warrants it, some people deserve death.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;48408411]Because the state executing someone is a big fucking deal. It doesn't matter who's been condemned, if someone is going to have their life legally taken away then that process needs to be water tight, and you can't do that on a budget and a deadline. The fact that you think it's okay to just take someone round back and put a bullet in their head after a trial is deeply disturbing.[/QUOTE] if somebody has already been given life in prison without the possibility of parole then I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a streamlined processed after that to have them executed. you'd expect that someone wouldn't be given life in prison unless there was absolutely no doubt that they were guilty of the crimes they were accused of. obviously this isn't always the case and that's a problem that needs to be addressed, but in the case of james holmes we know that he did what he's accused of, we know he's never going to be part of society again and the way I see it, we know that keeping him alive is neither useful nor humane.

Jesus christ people, calm the hell down. You guys are coming on par to the writing that the convicted had in his journal for fuck sake. Not to mention the whole idea that killing someone is going to bring any sense of redemption for what has happened. You cannot spill blood and through some voodoo witchcraft, bring back the deceased. It just simply does not work like that. Do people have the right to be upset? Absolutely. Spilling more blood over the savage actions of one man though will not accomplish much.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;48408573]if somebody has already been given life in prison without the possibility of parole then I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a streamlined processed after that to have them executed. you'd expect that someone wouldn't be given life in prison unless there was absolutely no doubt that they were guilty of the crimes they were accused of. obviously this isn't always the case and that's a problem that needs to be addressed, but in the case of james holmes we know that he did what he's accused of, we know he's never going to be part of society again and the way I see it, we know that keeping him alive is neither useful nor humane.[/QUOTE] This. He's probably going to be in solitary for his own protection. How is keeping someone in a cage 23 hours a day humane?

[QUOTE=Richardroth;48405042]If I was a friend or family member of one of the people who lost their life, I wouldn't feel any better if he died or not.[/QUOTE] I'm sure not every family member out there has the same mindset.

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48408599]I'm sure not every family member out there has the same mindset.[/QUOTE] All depends on how horrific the crime was too.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;48408573]if somebody has already been given life in prison without the possibility of parole then I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a streamlined processed after that to have them executed. you'd expect that someone wouldn't be given life in prison unless there was absolutely no doubt that they were guilty of the crimes they were accused of. obviously this isn't always the case and that's a problem that needs to be addressed, but in the case of james holmes we know that he did what he's accused of, we know he's never going to be part of society again and the way I see it, we know that keeping him alive is neither useful nor humane.[/QUOTE] You don't streamline or make exceptions at the extreme edge of the justice system. That's when irreversible mistakes get made.

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48408599]I'm sure not every family member out there has the same mindset.[/QUOTE] And some relatives of the victims would be utterly traumatised to find out that yet another life has been taken as a result of this event, but funnily enough I rarely see pro-death penalty people considering that.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48405907]Again, this. Kill this fucker that did this, (come on guys... bullets are cheap) and re-purpose the funds that would have been otherwise spent into actual useful things that help people that give back to society. Why pay for him to live for 50ish years at 100k+ a year (I make this actually working for a living), when he will not do shit to help society? What do we actually gain from this piece of walking fecal matter being kept alive?[/QUOTE] People with the same mindset carry out revenge killings all the time. This person didnt even kill your friends or family. Think through the extent of this train of thought. And for sanity's sake, stop trying to dehumanize the guy. He's not a walking peice of fecal matter, he's a person who happened to share your view that other human beings didnt deserve to live for whatever stupid reason.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;48408627]You don't streamline or make exceptions at the extreme edge of the justice system. That's when irreversible mistakes get made.[/QUOTE] if a mistake can be made after somebody has been given life without parole then the justice system responsible for that is inherently flawed. nobody is advocating for a universal change in law that allows easier executions. just like I said in my first post, we know that it's not a mistake in the case of james holmes, we know that his life is over. I can't imagine a compelling argument for why he should be kept alive.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;48409204]if a mistake can be made after somebody has been given life without parole then the justice system responsible for that is inherently flawed. nobody is advocating for a universal change in law that allows easier executions. just like I said in my first post, we know that it's not a mistake in the case of james holmes, we know that his life is over. I can't imagine a compelling argument for why he should be kept alive.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between realising you got it wrong when issuing a sentence of life without parole and issuing an death sentence. You can actually undo the former. [B]That[/B], and that alone is a strong enough reason to never use the death penalty. Mistakes happen all the time, there are numerous cases of people being executed by the state just for the state to find evidence later that proved them not-guilty of the crime. But oops! Too late! We already killed them! We are meant to be civilised society. Organised murder of your citizens is in no way civil, no matter what they've done.

No matter what emotional arguments you wanna make about how much he deserves it or blah blah, the death penalty will always be wrong because the justice system is not infallible. To agree with the existence of the death penalty, you have to be OK with the fact that some innocent people will be executed by the state.

In my opinion prisoners should be used as Hellfire missile drone target practice.

[QUOTE=capital;48410702]In my opinion prisoners should be used as Hellfire missile drone target practice.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately the physics of this won't work :v:

[QUOTE=elitehakor;48405684]why would you ever wish death or rape upon someone else[/QUOTE] Wishing rape is retarded but there are people in this world who are too far gone to be kept alive. Not that this here shooter is one of them, mind you.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48410649]No matter what emotional arguments you wanna make about how much he deserves it or blah blah, the death penalty will always be wrong because the justice system is not infallible. To agree with the existence of the death penalty, you have to be OK with the fact that some innocent people will be executed by the state.[/QUOTE] Obviously, but in cases where it's 100% clear that he did it, this may-be-innocent factor goes out the window.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48409344]There's a difference between realising you got it wrong when issuing a sentence of life without parole and issuing an death sentence. You can actually undo the former. [B]That[/B], and that alone is a strong enough reason to never use the death penalty. Mistakes happen all the time, there are numerous cases of people being executed by the state just for the state to find evidence later that proved them not-guilty of the crime. But oops! Too late! We already killed them! We are meant to be civilised society. Organised murder of your citizens is in no way civil, no matter what they've done.[/QUOTE] Cut and dry cases such as this guy Holden and Breivik for example would not need to be undone though, there is no mistakes to be made they killed people we saw it, they admit it case closed so instances such as these and only these could fall under their own sentencing. I wouldn't call for him to be executed but i also wouldn't care if thats what happened, i just think more of the ethical and moral standpoints of the person that'd have to do it, the families that don't want him to die, his family and so on so forth. At the end of the day like it or not he's human, a colossal cunt of the highest order, but still a human and i can't detach that feeling. And yet i also come down on the view that ISIS should be wiped out en mass and fuck the lot of them, so yeah i don't know.

There should be 0% chance for the death penalty ever. We are one of 2 Western Industrialized nations (iirc) still with the Death Penalty. It's a barbaric practice that needs to go the way of the Do-Do.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;48411153]Cut and dry cases such as this guy Holden and Breivik for example would not need to be undone though, there is no mistakes to be made they killed people we saw it, they admit it case closed so instances such as these and only these could fall under their own sentencing. I wouldn't call for him to be executed but i also wouldn't care if thats what happened, i just think more of the ethical and moral standpoints of the person that'd have to do it, the families that don't want him to die, his family and so on so forth. At the end of the day like it or not he's human, a colossal cunt of the highest order, but still a human and i can't detach that feeling. And yet i also come down on the view that ISIS should be wiped out en mass and fuck the lot of them, so yeah i don't know.[/QUOTE] The problem with using it, even when there is 110% certainty that they accused is guilty of the crime (even if they boast about it, even if they laugh about watching their victims dying, any of that shit), is that it puts the possibility of using it out there. And as we are fallible, and the justice system is not perfect, having an option on the table means someone somewhere down the line might consider using it because it's the "right" sentence. We shouldn't be killing criminals. We should be setting examples; "you committed an incredibly heinous act, but we are a better people than you, so we won't punish you like-for-like. We will actually make sure you live, but in a way that prevents you from harming others until we are happy you are fixed/ you die anyway".

Good that he didn't get death. imo you can think that he doesn't deserve life but the death penalty will be murder too.

[QUOTE=WhatANiceName;48411371]Good that he didn't get death. imo you can think that he doesn't deserve life but the death penalty will be murder too.[/QUOTE] Keeping a human in a cage for 23 hours a day is pretty inhumane bud.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48411227] We will actually make sure you live, but in a way that prevents you from harming others until we are happy you are fixed/ you die anyway".[/QUOTE] So torturing a person by leaving them alone in a small concrete box 23/7 for maybe forty years is more humane than an instant death by a supersonic bullet that kills them faster than the brain can process? This isn't some case with murky details like a young black kid in the south accused of raping a white woman with no physical evidence, and the only witnesses are in confederation with each other. Everyone saw him shoot those people and walk out the back door to surrender to the cops. Cut and dried as it can get.

I've always wondered why they don't use some kind of opiate like morphine to slowly knock the person out and then make them overdose? As far as the death penalty goes, that is. The executioner drugs are kind of expensive and hard to make(Apparently)

[QUOTE=ColdAsRice;48411447]So torturing a person by leaving them alone in a small concrete box 23/7 for maybe forty years is more humane than an instant death by a supersonic bullet that kills them faster than the brain can process? [/QUOTE] Just because those are likely outcomes with the current systems in place, doesn't mean they are the only realistically possible outcomes.

[QUOTE=ColdAsRice;48411447]So torturing a person by leaving them alone in a small concrete box 23/7 for maybe forty years is more humane than an instant death by a supersonic bullet that kills them faster than the brain can process? This isn't some case with murky details like a young black kid in the south accused of raping a white woman with no physical evidence, and the only witnesses are in confederation with each other. Everyone saw him shoot those people and walk out the back door to surrender to the cops. Cut and dried as it can get.[/QUOTE] More than 40 years probably.

They're seriously going to keep him in a box for rest of his life? He will go even crazier. This is horrible torture. If it's like that, death is a lot more humane than slowly going insane until you lose self-awareness as years pass by.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48412247]They're seriously going to keep him in a box for rest of his life? He will go even crazier. This is horrible torture. If it's like that, death is a lot more humane than slowly going insane until you lose self-awareness as years pass by.[/QUOTE] One juror that agreed to keeping the death penalty in mind kept this from happening. One person.

If they're going to keep holmes alive, make him work for the rest of his life or something, at least have a use for him and make him productive.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48412343]One juror that agreed to keeping the death penalty in mind kept this from happening. One person.[/QUOTE] Should have been them all tbh