AP: UK to expel Israeli diplomat over Dubai case - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20924309]I must ask, why are the Israelis "assholes" for forging passes to assassinate a hostile spy? Who gives a shit that they forged passes?[/QUOTE] Because if the opposite governments found out these assassins had British/EU passports then that might make them think we did it instead of Israelis, why the fuck do you think they did not bring their own passports? It is also a serious breach of mistrust; "brb borrowing your identification for your country to go kill someone I don't like"

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;20924368]They've done a lot more than just this. They're breaking the law and committing war crimes constantly. No one should be above the law.[/QUOTE] It's true, the IDF has constantly violated international law and the Israeli government has done nothing to try and stop it. Violence only breeds further violence, they need to stop their aggressive tendencies and pursue peace and negotiatiate with the Palestinian authority. The only way this matter is going to be resolved is if the Israeli's agree to share the land with Palestine under peaceful and fair terms. [editline]10:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=TH89;20924390]You know what a comparison is, right? It doesn't mean someone is claiming two things are similar in every way. Sometimes, it can be only one way![/QUOTE] So what part of Nazi germany are you comparing Israel to?

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[QUOTE=TH89;20924390]You know what a comparison is, right? It doesn't mean someone is claiming two things are similar in every way. Sometimes, it can be only one way! [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3677532/4r2p0y.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Israel - The definition of hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=marcus;20924515]Israel - The definition of hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] How do you mean? I'm starting to think you people hate on Israel but can't justify your arguements.

[QUOTE=TH89;20924033]Do you know who else used the "it's not invasion, we're just re-unifying our historical territory" excuse to justify invading and persecuting people? You get three guesses, and the first two don't count.[/QUOTE] Just a bystander here, but lol godwins law.

[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20924436]So what part of Nazi germany are you comparing Israel to?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TH89;20924033]Do you know who else used the "it's not invasion, we're just re-unifying our historical territory" excuse to justify invading and persecuting people?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20924568]How do you mean? I'm starting to think you people hate on Israel but can't justify your arguements.[/QUOTE] They bomb cities. With white phosphorus. Civilian centers... with white phosphorus.

[QUOTE=TH89;20925012][/QUOTE] That's a very lop-sided view of the situation. Israel is hardly an invader, the British government is responsible for putting them there for one thing. Besides, I don't see any other reason why you chose nazi germany as an example other than to imply somehow that Israel is at bad as nazi germany was at the time. Nazi germany did far more than invade and 'persecute' the people the jewish peoples, thats for sure. Lots of countries, more recently have used that excuse. What about Russian invasion of South Ossetia? You must realise how bad oif a comparison it sounds when you compare a legitmiate elected government with an admittedly bad human rights record to a facist dictatorship that openly practiced genocide, provoked an uneccesary war and invaded other countries. Israel was the one that was attacked remember? [editline]11:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;20925048]They bomb cities. With white phosphorus. Civilian centers... with white phosphorus.[/QUOTE] Yes, America is hypocritical when it comes to terrorism too. As is the British government when it comes to democracy. America's quick to condemn terrorism when they quite happily fund terrorist groups in other countries. And the UK's been caught rigging elections in Africa. (Only a few decades ago.) Oh and let's not forget America's atomic bombing of Nagisaki, a completely rural and unstrategic fishing village. Or to be honest even the firebombing of tokyo which damaged mainly civilian residential areas. So what's your point? It's not like this isn't common knowledge.

[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501]That's a very lop-sided view of the situation. Israel is hardly an invader, the British government is responsible for putting them there for one thing.[/QUOTE] Yeah Israel was totally forced to be created against its will!! [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501]Besides, I don't see any other reason why you chose nazi germany as an example other than to imply somehow that Israel is at bad as nazi germany was at the time.[/QUOTE] Because it's a well-known example that was and is generally thought to have been unethical. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501]Lots of countries, more recently have used that excuse. What about Russian invasion of South Ossetia?[/QUOTE] Because that's not a well-known example. You even got it wrong yourself--Russia invaded [i]Georgia[/i] in [i]defense[/i] of South Ossetia. There's no reason to use an obscure example when another will work just as well. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501]Israel was the one that was attacked remember?[/QUOTE] Nope. Israel established their territory by committing firebombing and other terrorist attacks against Palestinian civilians in order to drive them out of their homes. The entire country is founded on this act of aggression.

[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501] Yes, America is hypocritical when it comes to terrorism too. As is the British government when it comes to democracy. America's quick to condemn terrorism when they quite happily fund terrorist groups in other countries. And the UK's been caught rigging elections in Africa. (Only a few decades ago.) Oh and let's not forget America's atomic bombing of Nagisaki, a completely rural and unstrategic fishing village. Or to be honest even the firebombing of tokyo which damaged mainly civilian residential areas. So what's your point? It's not like this isn't common knowledge.[/QUOTE] Good sir, you are assuming I believe any of those are just. I don't.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20923891] The Israeli people are strongly-tied to their history and culture. I for one respect them for not giving up their former culture/history.[/QUOTE] so were the germans. you don't support lebensraum do you? [QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20924047] Israel was dispersed brutally by the Assyrian Empire, and more recently assimilated into the Turkish (Ottoman) Empire then later the British Empire. Jews were frequently the targets of brutality by the Russia in the pre-Lenin era also. Post-WW2, after the Jewish people were targeted for extermination by Hitler, Britain gave Israel independence to provide the Jews with a safe haven. Around the time Israel became a nation, they were almost immediately converged on by several Soviet-backed Middle East nations (which Israel proceeded to beat the shit out of in the war), and now, after suffering for thousands of years at the hands of about every nation in the area, all Israel is asking for is their land back.[/QUOTE] The natives who lived in the 'promised land' of israel were dispersed brutally, too. Furthermore, jews, muslims, and christians all lived without quarrel for some time until zionism came into play. Also the USSR supported Israel. They weren't much better then the west in that area. The jewish claim to jerusalem and israel is about as valid as the christian or the muslim one. Either way, you don't disperse native populations because of a book.

[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501]Yes, America is hypocritical when it comes to terrorism too. As is the British government when it comes to democracy. America's quick to condemn terrorism when they quite happily fund terrorist groups in other countries. And the UK's been caught rigging elections in Africa. (Only a few decades ago.) Oh and let's not forget America's atomic bombing of Nagisaki, a completely rural and unstrategic fishing village. Or to be honest even the firebombing of tokyo which damaged mainly civilian residential areas. So what's your point? It's not like this isn't common knowledge.[/QUOTE] Yes, because we automatically support those things.

[QUOTE=Billiam;20925782]Good sir, you are assuming I believe any of those are just. I don't.[/QUOTE] Its okay, he's just saying since those where committed decades ago and during wars it justifies what the Israelis are doing now, and that is the murdering of women and children in hospitals and schools run by U.N, then proceeding to harvesting their organs so they can be given to Gods chosen people. Also, its okay to run a giant Ghetto and pretend that it's a city.

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;20924368]They've done a lot more than just this. They're breaking the law and committing war crimes regularly to fight "terrorists." No one should be above the law.[/QUOTE] You do realize America broke several international laws to invade Iraq, right? Well, no one said anything bad about it. [editline]07:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501]That's a very lop-sided view of the situation. Israel is hardly an invader, the British government is responsible for putting them there for one thing.[/QUOTE] You act like it's a bad thing the British felt sympathy for a race that nearly got wiped out and decided to give them a safe place to call home.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20926201]You do realize America broke several international laws to invade Iraq, right? Well, no one said anything bad about it.[/QUOTE] You do realize that most of the people here [B]do not[/B] support the Iraq invasion, right? Stop changing the subject to America sparky. We're talking about Israel.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20926201]You do realize America broke several international laws to invade Iraq, right? Well, no one said anything bad about it.[/QUOTE] Actually, there was public outrage in America and abroad. There were marches, shouting, UN resolutions. You might remember those, if you were old enough.

[QUOTE=TH89;20925658]Yeah Israel was totally forced to be created against its will!! [/QUOTE] So everyone else is completely absolved of responsibility? I don't think so, you do know that we attacked Egypt with Israel's help in the Suez crisis. That had to have stirred up alot of the contention between Egypt and Israel that lead to the six-day war. True enough it was Israel's fault as well but either way, you have to admit we played a part in that. [QUOTE=TH89;20925658] Because it's a well-known example that was and is generally thought to have been unethical. [/QUOTE] It was unethical to just send god knows how many people into a foreign country that was already inhabited. [QUOTE=TH89;20925658] Because that's not a well-known example. You even got it wrong yourself--Russia invaded [i]Georgia[/i] in [i]defense[/i] of South Ossetia. There's no reason to use an obscure example when another will work just as well. [/QUOTE] Russia invaded Georgia because they believe they somehow are entitled to the land. You know that Georgia was originally part of the USSR? When they split Georgia chose to leave Russia and become an semi-independent state. Please don't spout any crap about the war being to 'protect' Ossetia. Because that's sure not how it looked to me. [QUOTE=TH89;20925658] Nope. Israel established their territory by committing firebombing and other terrorist attacks against Palestinian civilians in order to drive them out of their homes. The entire country is founded on this act of aggression.[/QUOTE] No, that's absolutely wrong. Israel was surprise attacked by Egypt and Syria and very nearly destroyed. The whole reason Israel's foreign policy is like it is is because they were taken by surprise, and nobody stepped in to help them. They don't want to risk getting into that situation again. I'm trying to say that they need to let go of that attitude if they ever want to reach a peaceful resolution in the country. Firebombings and terrorist attacks against civilians don't seem like government sanctioned attacks to me, so I'm guessing it was the work of Jewish agitators and criminals. The fact that you're actually implying they were ordered to do it is laughable. And no, I'm saying nazi germany is not a good comparison at all. There's absolutely no way you can compare a state sanctioned murder and deliberate genocide to terrorism and criminal elements. I don't even understand how you can logically compare a military invasion with tanks and soldiers to a mass migration of civilians. Even after, in the six-day war that was supposed to be a pre-emptive strike, Egypt was massing tanks and troops along the borders. You could say they started that war technically but nobody can rule out the possibility it was purely in the interest of self-defense.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20926201]You do realize America broke several international laws to invade Iraq, right? Well, no one said anything bad about it.[/QUOTE] Again, if the U.S broke some laws in an invasion its okay to occupy and steal land... and murder people... while you also steal their organs... and you could also bomb U.N run facilities with white phosphorus. Almost forgot that its also okay to run Giant Ghettos.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20926201] You act like it's a bad thing the British felt sympathy for a race that nearly got wiped out and decided to give them a safe place to call home.[/QUOTE] they weren't nearly wiped out. and jews had homes, it was the zionists who thought they didn't. also what about the palestinians? they don't get a safe place to call home?

[QUOTE=Conscript;20926371]they weren't nearly wiped out. and jews had homes, it was the zionists who thought they didn't. also what about the palestinians? they don't get a safe place to call home?[/QUOTE] Who cares about those brown people, only Gods chosen people get homes. :downs:

[QUOTE=Conscript;20926371]also what about the palestinians? they don't get a safe place to call home?[/QUOTE] [img]http://attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/14_expel_arabs.jpg[/img] [editline]07:59PM[/editline] Brown people are inferior to the Israelis. :downs:

[QUOTE=Conscript;20926371]they weren't nearly wiped out. and jews had homes, it was the zionists who thought they didn't. also what about the palestinians? they don't get a safe place to call home?[/QUOTE] The Palestinians already had a sizeable chunk of land, even after Israel became a nation. Radicals said that Israel had no right to be there, Israel defended itself even when attacked by numerous Middle Eastern nations.

[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20925501]Oh and let's not forget America's atomic bombing of Nagisaki, a completely rural and unstrategic fishing village. Or to be honest even the firebombing of tokyo which damaged mainly civilian residential areas. [/QUOTE] Nagasaki was one of the largest ports in the country and a massive industrial city, not even close to rural. Regardless, defending Israel on a moral standpoint gets harder and harder when they keep doing the shit that they do. Yes, they're fighting for survival. It certainly isn't a situation probably anyone in this thread can relate too. But as far as international law and a sense of human rights is concerned, nothing excuses certain behaviors that they have engaged in. On the other hand, comparing them to Nazi Germany is outright ridiculous. There is no genocide there, unless someone can show any sort of proof. Relocation? Yes. Discrimination? Definitely. Repression and a lack of representation in government? Absolutely. Genocide? No. Apartheid is a much more accurate comparison.

[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20926473]The Palestinians already had a sizeable chunk of land, even after Israel became a nation. Radicals said that Israel had no right to be there, Israel defended itself even when attacked by numerous Middle Eastern nations.[/QUOTE] You left out the part where they continued to murder Palestinians so they can have more of their land. [img]http://z.about.com/d/middleeast/1/0/v/8/-/-/0723-occupation-israel-pale.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Regulas021;20926512]There is no genocide there[/QUOTE] Murdering thousands of Palestinians isn't genocide?

[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20926352]It was unethical to just send god knows how many people into a foreign country that was already inhabited.[/QUOTE] Yes, it was. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20926352]Russia invaded Georgia because they believe they somehow are entitled to the land. You know that Georgia was originally part of the USSR? When they split Georgia chose to leave Russia and become an semi-independent state. Please don't spout any crap about the war being to 'protect' Ossetia. Because that's sure not how it looked to me.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how you got the impression I give a shit about the war in Georgia. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20926352]No, that's absolutely wrong. Israel was surprise attacked by Egypt and Syria and very nearly destroyed.[/QUOTE] [i]After[/i] it established its territory via terrorism. If they hadn't done that, there wouldn't have been any Israel to attack. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20926352]No, that's absolutely wrong. Israel was surprise attacked by Egypt and Syria and very nearly destroyed. The whole reason Israel's foreign policy is like it is is because they were taken by surprise, and nobody stepped in to help them. They don't want to risk getting into that situation again. I'm trying to say that they need to let go of that attitude if they ever want to reach a peaceful resolution in the country.[/QUOTE] They sure do. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20926352]Firebombings and terrorist attacks against civilians don't seem like government sanctioned attacks to me, so I'm guessing it was the work of Jewish agitators and criminals. The fact that you're actually implying they were ordered to do it is laughable.[/QUOTE] It seems funny that you would accuse the US of funding terrorist groups and then say this. Just because they weren't [i]officially[/i] sanctioned doesn't mean the government was't responsible. Israel wouldn't have been able to establish itself if the Palestinians hadn't been driven out beforehand. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20926352]And no, I'm saying nazi germany is not a good comparison at all. There's absolutely no way you can compare a state sanctioned murder and deliberate genocide to terrorism and criminal elements.[/QUOTE] I guess it's a good thing I'm not comparing those things, then. [QUOTE=Hypocrite;20926352]I don't even understand how you can logically compare a military invasion with tanks and soldiers to a mass migration of civilians.[/QUOTE] Israel has tanks and soldiers.

[QUOTE=Regulas021;20926512]Nagasaki was one of the largest ports in the country and a massive industrial city, not even close to rural. Regardless, defending Israel on a moral standpoint gets harder and harder when they keep doing the shit that they do. Yes, they're fighting for survival. It certainly isn't a situation probably anyone in this thread can relate too. But as far as international law and a sense of human rights is concerned, nothing excuses certain behaviors that they have engaged in. On the other hand, comparing them to Nazi Germany is outright ridiculous. There is no genocide there, unless someone can show any sort of proof. Relocation? Yes. Discrimination? Definitely. Repression and a lack of representation in government? Absolutely. Genocide? No. Apartheid is a much more accurate comparison.[/QUOTE] Nagisaki wasn't even the original target of that bomb, it was skipped over because of bad weather. They chose it because it was a city and it had a port. The point I was trying to make is that they were targeting population centers deliberately.

[QUOTE=TH89;20926604]Yes, it was. I'm not sure how you got the impression I give a shit about the war in Georgia. [I]After[/I] it established its territory via terrorism. If they hadn't done that, there wouldn't have been any Israel to attack. They sure do. It seems funny that you would accuse the US of funding terrorist groups and then say this. Just because they weren't [I]officially[/I] sanctioned doesn't mean the government was't responsible. Israel wouldn't have been able to establish itself if the Palestinians hadn't been driven out beforehand. I guess it's a good thing I'm not comparing those things, then. Israel has tanks and soldiers.[/QUOTE] You're saying this is all Israel's fault. Israel got attacked by Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, and a few others (I think) almost instantly as they got independence, and they were backed by the fucking Soviet Union. Israel didn't start the aggressions, the other nations did. Israel is probably taking things too far, I admit, but they aren't entirely at fault here.

[QUOTE=TH89;20926604]Yes, it was. Israel has tanks and soldiers.[/QUOTE] They didn't back then, I'm talking about during the first few immigration waves. All they had were basically paramilitary groups that weren't even armed properly. I mean, you do realise that jews lived in Palestine prior to the mass immigration?