[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929648]If the innocents want the supplies, they'd retreat from said rebelling areas. Allowing the partisans to flourish would only result in more civilian, partisan, and military casualties.[/QUOTE]
good point, they'll just ru- oh shit, there's a giant fucking wall there shut down everything
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929545]In a war against a rebelling populace, cutting off supplies to the partisans would be the most efficient way of dealing with it. Less casualties on both sides, civilian and military, for both groups.[/QUOTE]
There is no rebelling populace. You don't really know much about the place, do you?
Now, if Israel continues their oppression of palestinians they just may revolt one day. Israel is driving them into a corner. Gaza's extreme poverty and lack of basic necessities is forcing people to turn to radicals, and Israel's continued blockade on it will only drive them harder to fight.
[QUOTE=Warhol;20929684]good point, they'll just ru- oh shit, there's a giant fucking wall there shut down everything[/QUOTE]
Let civilians who surrender, surrender peacefully.
Let the partisans who continue fighting collapse eventually without supplies, then they'll surrender too.
I'm not saying all partisans are bad or wrong, I'm just saying, when dealing with partisans, any military leader would probably think something like what I said.
surrender? surrender from what? their own fucking homes?
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they haven't done shit wrong
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929648]If the innocents want the supplies, they'd retreat from said rebelling areas. Allowing the partisans to flourish would only result in more civilian, partisan, and military casualties.
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Who the fuck says I'm trying to justify genocide? Israel isn't commiting genocide. They're not trying to exterminate a race, they're putting down their enemy.
Damn it you're thick. I bet you throw a party every time something bad happens to Israel.[/QUOTE]
Oh, yeah that would be great.
IF WE DIDN'T ALREADY ESTABLISH THAT THEY ARE [I][B]WALLED INSIDE A GHETTO.[/B][/I]
It wasn't murder! I was just defending my family in another country from my mailman!
[QUOTE=Warhol;20929743]surrender? surrender from what? their own fucking homes?
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they haven't done shit wrong[/QUOTE]
The Palestinian government was at war with Israel.
It's unfortunate but inevitable that civilians got involved.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929648]If the innocents want the supplies, they'd retreat from said rebelling areas. Allowing the partisans to flourish would only result in more civilian, partisan, and military casualties.
[editline]10:29PM[/editline]
Who the fuck says I'm trying to justify genocide? Israel isn't commiting genocide. They're not trying to exterminate a race, they're putting down their enemy.
Damn it you're thick. I bet you throw a party every time something bad happens to Israel.[/QUOTE]
Retreat to where? :smile:
And yes YOU FUCKING SUPPORT GENOCIDE YOU TWAT. I'm not quoting it again.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929769]The Palestinian government was at war with Israel.
It's unfortunate but inevitable that civilians got involved.[/QUOTE]
they didn't?
the fucking Israeli's got them involved.
mainly by
uh
building a huge fucking wall
[QUOTE=Baldr;20929776]Retreat to where? :smile:
And yes YOU FUCKING SUPPORT GENOCIDE YOU TWAT. I'm not quoting it again.[/QUOTE]
I don't support genocide. Please, don't bother trying to tell me what I agree or disagree with. I'm fully capable of independent thought.
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[QUOTE=Warhol;20929819]they didn't?
the fucking Israeli's got them involved.
mainly by
uh
building a huge fucking wall[/QUOTE]
...to keep the Palestinians out of Israel? The Israeli government can do what they want in that aspect. If they want to keep certain people from coming in, so be it.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929821]I don't support genocide. Please, don't bother trying to tell me what I agree or disagree with. I'm fully capable of independent thought.[/QUOTE]
You support something that is the definition of genocide, and then say it's not genocide.
That doesn't mean you don't support genocide, it just means you can't fucking read.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;20929841]You support something that is the definition of genocide, and then say it's not genocide.
That doesn't mean you don't support genocide, it just means you can't fucking read.[/QUOTE]
Genocide: the attempted annihilation of a race, nationality, etc.
Israel is trying to secure and expand its borders, THEY ARE NOT trying to wipe out any race.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929821]...to keep the Palestinians out of Israel? The Israeli government can do what they want in that aspect. If they want to keep certain people from coming in, so be it.[/QUOTE]
Lemmegetthisstraight, so what you're saying is, is that it is fully within Israels rights to wall people inside of a ghetto, deny food and medical supplies to that ghetto, firebomb the civilians that you have walled inside of that ghetto up the ass when people in that ghetto retaliate because you've cut them off from food and medication, and at the end of the day it's the people who're trapped in the ghetto's fault because of something they did over half a century ago?
Fuck, man.
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[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929874]Genocide: the attempted annihilation of a race, nationality, etc.
Israel is trying to secure and expand its borders, THEY ARE NOT trying to wipe out any race.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they just so happen to do that by eliminating a population of people.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929874]Genocide: the attempted annihilation of a race, nationality, etc.
Israel is trying to secure and expand its borders, THEY ARE NOT trying to wipe out any race.[/QUOTE]
I give up.
If you did read you should know it doesn't even need to be a race.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929821]
...to keep the Palestinians out of Israel? The Israeli government can do what they want in that aspect. If they want to keep certain people from coming in, so be it.[/QUOTE]
"They have every right to cut off Palestinians's food and medical supplies, because they're rebelling! If they didn't want to get caught up in it, they'd leave."
"No wtf, Israel has every right seal those people inside, if they weren't such douchebags they could leave."
It's also cool because they're keeping Palestinians out of their own land.
It's also cool because it's essentially apartheid.
gmod, I think you're trollin
[QUOTE=Cluckyx;20916921]Nice to see someone finally making a move instead of standing around and wringing their hands.[/QUOTE]
Nothing's being done about it, officially. All of this spat between the UK, Israel, and the US over these issues is a public show. Israel does something, the West says "we disapprove" and life goes on. No one will remember that the UK expelled an Israeli diplomat until the next Israeli diplomat is expelled ten years down the line for a similar reason, and the Associated Press says "Well this has happened before, several times dating back to 1988."
[QUOTE=TH89;20927855]Goddamn Palestinians.
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The media can be so inconvenient when it tells people what is happening, can't it?
A girl from my town went to Israel, to be "affected by the everyday life." Your military [i]crushed her with a bulldozer[/i].[/QUOTE]
Only on facepunch do people think they know better about the stuff they see on TV than the people who are actually living there. And if you watch the video she laid down infront of the bulldozer while it was moving. It was her own fault that the driver didn't see her.
I'm still voting to more Israel to Ethiopia.
Who's with me?
[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20933715]Only on facepunch do people think they know better about the stuff they see on TV than the people who are actually living there. And if you watch the video she laid down infront of the bulldozer while it was moving. It was her own fault that the driver didn't see her.[/QUOTE]
uh... she didn't fucking lay down, you didn't watch the video. She was standing up with a megaphone, yelling.
and don't give me that fucking nonsense he didn't see her. That is a fucking outright lie and you're a horrible person to fucking defend that.
god, stop posting, you have NO idea what you're talking about.
and for the record, no, just because you're closer to the area of incidents, doesn't fucking mean you know more. I was living in New York when 9/11 happened, does that mean I know more about the Afganistan war then all of you?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20929874]Genocide: the attempted annihilation of a race, nationality, etc.
Israel is trying to secure and expand its borders, THEY ARE NOT trying to wipe out any race.[/QUOTE]
The first thing Zionists want is the Arabs out of their face. If the UN lets them then they would kill / deport every Arab in the Palestinian terrorities faster then you can say 'holocaust'.
Why on earth should they expand their borders? It's our land.
[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20933715]Only on facepunch do people think they know better about the stuff they see on TV than the people who are actually living there. And if you watch the video she laid down infront of the bulldozer while it was moving. It was her own fault that the driver didn't see her.[/QUOTE]
The bulldozer did see her. Also, What about Tank Man? Corrie = him.
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"But how can it be peaceful when they try to take away your dignity?"
ITT Gmod_fan77 loses an argument for four pages.
*Sigh*
I don't really have the time to disprove all of hypocrites claims as they are obviously false, as he blindly defends Israel.
But one claim that has disturbed me the most is "Israel does not intend genocide"
The Jerusalem Post reported on May 30, 2007, a letter sent by Israel's former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu - one of the most senior theocrats in Israel- pontificating "[B]that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza...[/B]" It reportedly went on to say that "According to Jewish war ethics, an entire city holds collective responsibility for the immoral behavior of individuals."
Mordechai's son Shmuel Eliyahu, the chief rabbi of Safad, elaborated on his father's comments, stating: "If they don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand." He added, "And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."
Also,
On February 29, 2008, BBC reported that Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai avowed in an Israeli army radio "the Palestinians will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves."
Shoah is a Hebrew word for the Holocaust. And I always thought the 'Holocaust' was a unique historical event of crimes against Jews perpetrated by the Nazi philosophy of hate. Not anymore, as we bear witness to a Gaza 'Shoah' rationalized by yet another loathed philosophy!
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2868601720080229[/URL]
[URL]http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=63137[/URL]
[QUOTE=Warhol;20936521]uh... she didn't fucking lay down, you didn't watch the video. She was standing up with a megaphone, yelling.
and don't give me that fucking nonsense he didn't see her. That is a fucking outright lie and you're a horrible person to fucking defend that.
god, stop posting, you have NO idea what you're talking about.
and for the record, no, just because you're closer to the area of incidents, doesn't fucking mean you know more. I was living in New York when 9/11 happened, does that mean I know more about the Afganistan war then all of you?[/QUOTE]
Flaming people isn't going to help your argument.
where did I flame him?
[QUOTE=Hypocrite;20933715]Only on facepunch do people think they know better about the stuff they see on TV than the people who are actually living there.[/QUOTE]
I don't watch TV. I cited a scientific paper. And yes, I think social scientists are more qualified to comment on the social situation in Israel than some nationalistic Israeli teenager who can't even spell "Palestinian."
[QUOTE=The Left Wing;20937548]
Why on earth should they expand their borders? It's our land.[/QUOTE]
Does Israel have to end aggression after their tiny country was bombarded continuously in 1947 because the pissy little Middle Eastern nation hated Jews? Israel has every right to attack. Serves the Palestinians right for their action.
HOWEVER, killing innocent civilians isn't right, though death tolls are inevitable in warfare. If they were rebels or partisans, it'd be different, but it's true, killing normal civilians is something that should be attempted to be avoided.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20942334]Does Israel have to end aggression after their tiny country was bombarded continuously in 1947 because the pissy little Middle Eastern nation hated Jews? Israel has every right to attack. Serves the Palestinians right for their action.[/QUOTE]
A conflict 70 years ago doesn't justify expansionism.
Neither was israel attacked because the middle east hated jews, they were attacked because the neighboring arab nations hated chauvinist zionists and western imperialists.
'Serves the palestinians right' hahahaha. god forbid they fight to reclaim their homes and right to self-determination
Israel has about as much justification in the oppression of palestinians as the europeans did in their oppression of the native americans.
Jesus christ... You are...
I'm almost tempted to take the perma-ban.
ITT: people bandwaggon-bashing Israel and saying the Palestinians are 100% innocent and have never done anything wrong.
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