[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20942334]Does Israel have to end aggression after their tiny country was bombarded continuously in 1947 because the pissy little Middle Eastern nation hated Jews? Israel has every right to attack. Serves the Palestinians right for their action.
HOWEVER, killing innocent civilians isn't right, though death tolls are inevitable in warfare. If they were rebels or partisans, it'd be different, but it's true, killing normal civilians is something that should be attempted to be avoided.[/QUOTE]
They get to end aggression, but they should not invade our land; that's like saying the US should suddenly invade Vietnam because of the Vietnam War.
Not to mention the Zionist terrorist groups who massacred hundreds of peaceful Arabs, blew up buildings and hanged British soldiers during the Mandate period.
edit: lol, You can't escape using edits.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20942541]ITT: people bandwaggon-bashing Israel and saying the Palestinians are 100% innocent and have never done anything wrong.[/QUOTE]
ITT: clueless zionist has no argument
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20942541]ITT: people bandwaggon-bashing Israel and saying the Palestinians are 100% innocent and have never done anything wrong.[/QUOTE]
You know, I was going to mention Ben-Gurien and the fact he was a fucking instigator, but hey, I ALREADY HAVE.
jesus, you have zero idea what you're talking about.
you're not even miscontrueing facts, you're just flat out lying.
And ignoring people who present a point that counters yours, or counting on strawmans. Seriously dude. Argue with us or get out
[QUOTE=The Left Wing;20937548]The first thing Zionists want is the Arabs out of their face. If the UN lets them then they would kill / deport every Arab in the Palestinian terrorities faster then you can say 'holocaust'.
Why on earth should they expand their borders? It's our land.
The bulldozer did see her. Also, What about Tank Man? Corrie = him.[/QUOTE]
You are right, it's not like the Israeli citizens don't have a reason.
It's not like every day another arab leader calls to destroy the land of Israel.
It's not like everyday there isn't any risk of like 50 suicide bombers.
And I can go on and on about this, arabs keep saying Israel isn't interested in peace, but the truth
is that they ruint this proccess and then blame Israel.
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20944796]You are right, it's not like the Israeli citizens don't have a reason.
It's not like every day another arab leader calls to destroy the land of Israel.
It's not like everyday there isn't any risk of like 50 suicide bombers.
And I can go on and on about this, arabs keep saying Israel isn't interested in peace, but the truth
is that they ruint this proccess and then blame Israel.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they're mad at you because you founded your country by running them off their land and locking them in ghettos? And continue to run them off of their land so you can build even more houses?
It only happened 60 years ago. It's not like America and the native Americans--the people you did this to are [i]still alive[/i].
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20944796]You are right, it's not like the Israeli citizens don't have a reason.
It's not like every day another arab leader calls to destroy the land of Israel.
It's not like everyday there isn't any risk of like 50 suicide bombers.
And I can go on and on about this, arabs keep saying Israel isn't interested in peace, but the truth
is that they ruint this proccess and then blame Israel.[/QUOTE]
you mean like camp davi
OH WAIT
NEVER MIND ME I'M A SILLY GOOSE
yeah, just wanted to point out 100% of your post is flat out wrong
gj
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20944796]
And I can go on and on about this, arabs keep saying Israel isn't interested in peace, but the truth
is that they ruint this proccess and then blame Israel.[/QUOTE]
even if it was true it doesn't justify expansionism...it doesn't even make sense
[QUOTE=TH89;20944854]Maybe they're mad at you because you founded your country by running them off their land and locking them in ghettos? And continue to run them off of their land so you can build even more houses?
It only happened 60 years ago. It's not like America and the native Americans--the people you did this to are [i]still alive[/i].[/QUOTE]
Do you even fucking know what were the original planes of Israel?
We wanted to fucking make two countries, one to be israel and one palestinien,
its them who attacked out of nowhere.
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20945050]Do you even fucking know what were the original planes of Israel?
We wanted to fucking make two countries, one to be israel and one palestinien,
its them who attacked out of nowhere.[/QUOTE]
After you firebombed their homes to make room for Israel.
[QUOTE=TH89;20945077]After you firebombed their homes to make room for Israel.[/QUOTE]
AND WHO DO YOU THINK THE PALESTINIEN COUNTRY WAS FOR?
[img]http://www.richardjames.org.uk/hchlogic/think.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20945172]AND WHO DO YOU THINK THE PALESTINIEN COUNTRY WAS FOR?
[/QUOTE]
People forced out of their homes to make room for zionists?
This whole argument is pointless as israel didn't need to be created.
You're right, what was I thinking? It was really thoughtful of you to make a ghetto for the people whose homes you destroyed!
[QUOTE=TH89;20945398]You're right, what was I thinking? It was really thoughtful of you to make a ghetto for the people whose homes you destroyed![/QUOTE]
Israel considers itself enemies with Palestine, so basically, they can do whatever the hell they want. They want to declare war? Fine, it's their right as a sovereign nation.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945434]Israel considers itself enemies with Palestine, so basically, they can do whatever the hell they want. They want to declare war? Fine, it's their right as a sovereign nation.[/QUOTE]
Don't you like to bitch about the United States invading Iraq?
Also, [i]de facto[/i], Palestine isn't a sovereign nation. They're practically wards of the state of Israel.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945434]Israel considers itself enemies with Palestine, so basically, they can do whatever the hell they want. They want to declare war? Fine, it's their right as a sovereign nation.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't, we've been over this. Stop acting like a fucking idiot
Also even if palestine was a state and israel was at war with them, that doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck what you want.
[QUOTE=Conscript;20945467]No it doesn't, we've been over this. Stop acting like a fucking idiot
Also even if palestine was a state and israel was at war with them, that doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck what you want.[/QUOTE]
So...when two groups are at war, they need to treat each other kindly, with respect, and compassionately? You know, because they're totally at war.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945505]So...when two groups are at war, they need to treat each other kindly, with respect, and compassionately? You know, because they're totally at war.[/QUOTE]
Does this justify then what the Nazis were doing to Jews of other countries they invaded then?
[QUOTE=MercZ;20945527]Does this justify then what the Nazis were doing to Jews of other countries they invaded then?[/QUOTE]
The Jews never were at war. They were a dispersed race. Germany collected them and systematically tried to wipe them out.
Israel isn't massacreing civilians to wipe out the Palestinian race. They're treating them poorly, sure, but not massacreing on a level like the Nazis.
I love how the dumbasses in this thread keep comparing Israel to Nazi Germany.
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20945050]Do you even fucking know what were the original planes of Israel?
We wanted to fucking make two countries, one to be israel and one palestinien,
its them who attacked out of nowhere.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.henrikeger.com/images/Ben_Gurion_to_use_1.jpg[/img]
don't mind me, I'm just killing innocent settlers.
but hey, that gives NO right for those silly little brown people to defend themselves.
nope
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945505]So...when two groups are at war,[/QUOTE]
they're not.
wonder how many times i have to say this
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20945172]AND WHO DO YOU THINK THE PALESTINIEN COUNTRY WAS FOR?
[img]http://www.richardjames.org.uk/hchlogic/think.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
Palestine was already there...
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[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945434]Israel considers itself enemies with Palestine, so basically, they can do whatever the hell they want. They want to declare war? Fine, it's their right as a sovereign nation.[/QUOTE]
so if I consider you an enemy, I can viciously torture you without any legal backlash?
[QUOTE=Conscript;20945582]they're not.[/QUOTE]
Israel and Palestine commited acts of aggression against each other, Palestine attempting to invade Israel on several occasions and lobbing missiles at Gaza, Israel attempting to expand.
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[QUOTE=Warhol;20945616]so if I consider you an enemy, I can viciously torture you without any legal backlash?[/QUOTE]
Funny, because Palestine attacked Israel several times in the 20th century, but rarely suffered legal backlash, but now that Israel is doing something about them, everyone's whining about it.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945575]The Jews never were at war. They were a dispersed race. Germany collected them and systematically tried to wipe them out.
Israel isn't massacreing civilians to wipe out the Palestinian race. They're treating them poorly, sure, but not massacreing on a level like the Nazis.
I love how the dumbasses in this thread keep comparing Israel to Nazi Germany.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.warantiques.com/images/472_germanp517.gif[/img]
don't mind us
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945575]The Jews never were at war. They were a dispersed race. Germany collected them and systematically tried to wipe them out. [/quote]
Most of the Jews which were exterminated came from Poland and the Soviet Union. Germany's enemies. By your reasoning the Nazis were perfectly justified in treating another nation's citizens in this manner.
[quote]Israel isn't massacreing civilians to wipe out the Palestinian race. They're treating them poorly, sure, but not massacreing on a level like the Nazis.[/quote]
Two wrongs don't make a right.
But I wonder, would this shit argument of yours apply to Palestinians doing violent things to Jewish civilians? By your logic it would.
Personally it's good the UK did this. The citizens of a country already have enough of their liberties taken away from their domestic intelligence factions. It's another matter all together when a foreign nation takes that material for their own dirty deeds.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945622]Israel and Palestine commited acts of aggression against each other, Palestine attempting to invade Israel on several occasions and lobbing missiles at Gaza, Israel attempting to expand.
[editline]07:25PM[/editline]
Funny, because Palestine attacked Israel several times in the 20th century, but rarely suffered legal backlash, but now that Israel is doing something about them, everyone's whining about it.[/QUOTE]
lol, pretty much all the time it was a response to Israeli agression.
but hey, Israel and Palestine is at war, Palestine can do what the fuck they want, right?
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oh, I'm sorry, but does that only apply to the side you support?
[QUOTE=Conscript;20945311]People forced out of their homes to make room for zionists?
This whole argument is pointless as israel didn't need to be created.[/QUOTE]
It's actully your fault for not doing a thing when your antisemitic friends kill and persecute the Jews.
Don't you get it? Without Israel, Jews would be in the same state, so it's probably either Jews or Arabs.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945622]Israel and Palestine commited acts of aggression against each other,[/quote]
does not equal war. there are plenty of examples of combat between states when they weren't at war. you do realize war is a legal term, right?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;20945622]Palestine attempting to invade Israel on several occasions and lobbing missiles at Gaza, Israel attempting to expand.[/QUOTE]
palestine doesn't exist. unorganized groups of militants are not the military of a state. there is no invasion.
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;20945682]It's actully your fault for not doing a thing when your antisemitic friends kill and persecute the Jews.
Don't you get it? Without Israel, Jews would be in the same state, so it's probably either Jews or Arabs.[/QUOTE]
that is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. i'm not sure what anti-semitic friends i have or what i was supposed to do about things that happened before i was born, but jews wouldn't be in the same state. that's just stupid. you're acting like the world is out to get jews and israel is their only safe haven.
also it can be neither. jews and arabs lived together peacefully in the region before the creation of israel. so there goes that idea
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