[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45586354]Foreskin can trap fluid creating a reservoir for nasties to live in. Yes you should clean yourself but not everybody does it.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's not an argument for circumcision. There're a lot of other places where various nasty bacteria can settle in if one doesn't follow basic hygiene. And then again, that's bacteria. HIV doesn't live in your foreskin.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45586354]Foreskin can trap fluid creating a reservoir for nasties to live in. Yes you should clean yourself but not everybody does it.[/QUOTE]
A circumcised person unwashed is still gonna be dirty even without the foreskin. The rest of the civilized world teaches their children to clean their genitals during bath time. It's not like a separate ritual we uncircumcised folks need to do to please the gods of foreskin. Any situations where foreskin would look gross a man without it would smell and look as gross.
hey, want to go on a date?
let me see ur dick first
[QUOTE=.Lain;45586882]hey, want to go on a date?
let me see ur dick first[/QUOTE]
oh I liked you so much, interesting and caring person, what a shame your dick scares me and we can't fuck bye
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45584888]I don't know about you guys but every girl I know prefers a cut dick to a tubeworm looking cock.
So, good luck with that you guys.[/QUOTE]
Jokes on you most girls actually prefer other girls because men's bodies are physical repulsive.
[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45587149]Jokes on you most girls actually prefer other girls because men's bodies are physical repulsive.[/QUOTE]
What are you on
men are hot, yo
[QUOTE=Mr. Jelly;45587218]What are you on
men are hot, yo[/QUOTE]
Yeah cute men who take care of themselves which only exist in images but once you turn-off the gay porn all you see are savages with hair overgrowth debating which format of penis is more enjoyable to women does that sound familiar?
[QUOTE=gudman;45586631]Well, it's not an argument for circumcision. There're a lot of other places where various nasty bacteria can settle in if one doesn't follow basic hygiene. And then again, that's bacteria. HIV doesn't live in your foreskin.[/QUOTE]
Sure it is. And what other places are you referring to? Again, and we've known this for an extremely long time, the foreskin is the go-to cause for trouble when it comes to bacterial and viral infections in human males when it comes to sex. That's because the membrane lining the inside of it is an easy access point for them. There's also all kinds of risks with small cuts and microtears inside there as well which also allow for infection routes.
You remove the foreskin, you remove most of the issue. This is not disputed by modern medicine; the CDC, the World Health Organization, etc. are all in agreement that circumcision does in fact significantly reduce your chances of contracting an STD, including particularly nasty ones like HIV, because it involves the removal of a specific part of the male anatomy that is responsible in most cases for supplying an excellent route for them to infect you.
The question that's being debated is why/should we continue to practice it here in the modern Western world where we have access to quality medical care and hygiene practices? And if so, what should its limits be?
As far as Africa goes, which was the area of focus in the OP's article, where HIV is a major issue and modern medicine/hygiene are not on par to say the least with Europe and North America, it actually does make a lot of sense to encourage the practice's continuation for health reasons.
Express opinions all you want; the WHO, CDC and their contemporaries don't care.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;45581480]Being from america, up until a year ago I thought everyone's penis looked similar to mine.
And then I heard FP's general opinion on circumcision :v:[/QUOTE]
Yeah the reason you have this divide in opinion is because America is pretty much the only western nation that made a habit of chopping dicks. No one else really does it and honestly it should be illegal to do to anyone under the age of 18 except when medically necessary.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45584888]I don't know about you guys but every girl I know prefers a cut dick to a tubeworm looking cock.
So, good luck with that you guys.[/QUOTE]
A lot of women can't even tell the difference between the two when erect.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45586354]Foreskin can trap fluid creating a reservoir for nasties to live in. Yes you should clean yourself but not everybody does it.[/QUOTE]
And not everybody wipes front-to-back but society has managed to go on despite shitty ballsacks.
[QUOTE=gudman;45586631]Well, it's not an argument for circumcision. There're a lot of other places where various nasty bacteria can settle in if one doesn't follow basic hygiene. And then again, that's bacteria. HIV doesn't live in your foreskin.[/QUOTE]
The foreskin is a mucous membrane which also secretes mucosa (bodily fluids). Removal of the foreskin removes that portal of entry from the man (mucous membranes) and decreases the risk of transmitting infectious fluids to another individual.
Yes you can still get HIV but it decreases the risk which is still a benefit. I feel like half the people in this thread don't know what the fuck they're on about because "muh foreskin" and "fuk religion" and let alone have ever taken an A&P and sexual health class.
This thread makes my dick tingle. And not in a good way.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45587493]The foreskin is a mucous membrane which also secretes mucosa (bodily fluids). Removal of the foreskin removes that portal of entry from the man (mucous membranes) and decreases the risk of transmitting infectious fluids to another individual.
Yes you can still get HIV but it decreases the risk which is still a benefit. I feel like half the people in this thread don't know what the fuck they're on about because "muh foreskin" and "fuk religion" and let alone have ever taken an A&P and sexual health class.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=the article]women who only had sex with circumcised partners had a [B]15-percent-lower risk[/B] of being infected by HIV compared with women who also had uncircumcised partners[/QUOTE]
[B]WOW, It's such a difference![/B] :pwn:
(It's probably coincidence too)
And as already mentioned, use a condom and don't have sex with HIV-positives. Guaranteed 100% safety from HIV.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45587861][B]WOW, It's such a difference![/B] :pwn:
(It's probably coincidence too)
And as already mentioned, use a condom and don't have sex with HIV-positives. Guaranteed 100% safety from HIV.[/QUOTE]
WOMEN have a 15% lower risk of contracting HIV when having sex with a circumcised man. Men have a >60% lower risk of contracting HIV when they're circumcised and are having sex with a woman, according to the WHO (insofar as studies in African nations reveal; the CDC here in the United States claims 44% from its studies, which is obviously still significant), but that's not relevant to what this article is discussing so much; it's focusing on the benefits male circumcision has for women.
Read. The Goddamn. Article.
Also, stop trying to painfully rationalize medical facts please. It's just getting old.
The argument for this really fucking baffles me. "Cut if off and remove an issue that MIGHT come with it".
It's honestly like saying "Cutting off the little toe might remove some issues, you don't REALLY need it anyway". People In this thread are just spouting percentages out of their asses. This "study" seems like complete and utter bullshit to me.
[QUOTE=Duskin;45589242]The argument for this really fucking baffles me. "Cut if off and remove an issue that MIGHT come with it".
It's honestly like saying "Cutting off the little toe might remove some issues, you don't REALLY need it anyway". People In this thread are just spouting percentages out of their asses. This "study" seems like complete and utter bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]All I think is that it should not be cut at birth unless there's something majorly wrong with it. If the person later wants to, why not. Same way I don't agree with piercing baby's ears. It's just not needed.
How do they measure this? Do they just make some women fuck HIV positive men and tell them they'll get $50 for participating? I can't see who would agree to taking part.
[QUOTE=Duskin;45589242]The argument for this really fucking baffles me. "Cut if off and remove an issue that MIGHT come with it".
It's honestly like saying "Cutting off the little toe might remove some issues, you don't REALLY need it anyway". People In this thread are just spouting percentages out of their asses. This "study" seems like complete and utter bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]
The study isn't bullshit, and it has been concluded by multiple organizations, be it the World Health Organization or the CDC.
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[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45587861][B]WOW, It's such a difference![/B] :pwn:
(It's probably coincidence too)
And as already mentioned, use a condom and don't have sex with HIV-positives. [B]Guaranteed 100% safety from HIV.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's not how it works. Stop spewing medical bullshit if you have no clue on what the hell you are talking about.
Actually you can't blame people for how they defend their sliced dicks if I was hideously deformed I would be defensive too.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45586354]Foreskin can trap fluid creating a reservoir for nasties to live in. Yes you should clean yourself but not everybody does it.[/QUOTE]
Everybody who goes showering cleans his dick. If the dick isn't clean the guy isn't high on hygiene anyway. And those guys don't get laid anyway.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;45586416]I really should thank my parents for giving me Scrödingers circumcision due to phimosis - i am circumcised and at the same time not :v: (it was partial and i Retain glans and foreskin)[/QUOTE]
I got that thing where they enlarged my prepus for me, where I can pull back my foreskin like a champ and still keep it. It's really good because I used to get irritations from never pulling my glans out, as the hole was too tight. I'd have kept the tip totally intact if I could but the hole's still tight enough that my foreskin only pulls back with my hand's help or when entering a tight place.
Pretty decent. Would recommend to anybody with phimosis.
[editline]4th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45587493]The foreskin is a mucous membrane which also secretes mucosa (bodily fluids). Removal of the foreskin removes that portal of entry from the man (mucous membranes) and decreases the risk of transmitting infectious fluids to another individual.[/QUOTE]
Good idea. I'm also tired of HIV positive people crying like little bitches when they get their blood tests, maybe we should circumcise their eyes so they can't produce tears :v:
[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;45590380]Actually you can't blame people for how they defend their sliced dicks if I was hideously deformed I would be defensive too.[/QUOTE]
90% of the people who seem to be bitching about it are uncirced peeps... :v:
Well, seminal fluid can get stuck under the foreskin if people don't use proper hygiene. Not exactly rocket science.
Obviously the CDC and WHO have no idea what they're talking about, thanks Facepunch. We should staff them all with the brainiacs from Sensationalist Headlines, it might do the world some good.
Good god can you tards stop bringing up the "cleanliness" issue? It's literally easier to wash your dick than it is to clean your teeth.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;45594890]Good god can you tards stop bringing up the "cleanliness" issue? It's literally easier to wash your dick than it is to clean your teeth.[/QUOTE]
It's not about cleanliness, it's about being susceptible to infections. If you didn't know being "clean" still doesn't reduce your risk to become infected and doesn't remove the foreskins natural ability to secrete bodily fluids.
Makes my happy I was circumcised at a younger age.
[QUOTE=Monkah;45585650]why is everyone here arguing about who's [B]nipples[/B] looks better
cut [B]nipples[/B] have medical benefits
uncut [B]nipples[/B] have some other benefits
some people like it, some people dont
do we really need to have a thread about it every other week[/QUOTE]
Uh not fucking someone with HIV completely eliminates it.
How is cutting a piece of your dick off going to prevent your infected semen from entering and infecting her?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45594931]It's not about cleanliness, it's about being susceptible to infections. If you didn't know being "clean" still doesn't reduce your risk to become infected and doesn't remove the foreskins natural ability to secrete bodily fluids.[/QUOTE]
Okay, but the parallel between the arguments is that the benefit from getting circumcised pales in comparison to the benefit of good habits (good hygiene and safe sex respectively).
Besides, if the thread is solely about risk of infection, why did you post this irrelevant stuff?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45584888]I don't know about you guys but every girl I know prefers a cut dick to a tubeworm looking cock.
So, good luck with that you guys.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with this study. That's why I got the doctor to perform an appendectomy on my 3 day old son. We just eliminated the risk of the his appendix bursting in the future. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it.
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