Illegal border crossings decrease by 40 percent in Trump's first month, report says - Polidicks

Tbh I think it'd be far more effective to combat illegal immigration by making legal immigration easier to actually do in the first place, and give people a good reason to stay as well. Make people stay and contribute to the economy itself. You'll probably end up better off in the long run. Otherwise people just do as they do now, which is come in legally and then stay once the visa runs out.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51934844]Tbh I think it'd be far more effective to combat illegal immigration by making legal immigration easier to actually do in the first place, and give people a good reason to stay as well. Make people stay and contribute to the economy itself. You'll probably end up better off in the long run.[/QUOTE] I'd recommend a two pronged approach: a) Give people in surrounding areas a reason to stay in their own countries, boost trade. b) Set up a merit-based system for immigration that attracts talent worldwide, making it easier for people to immigrate. Anything done with force will be met with an equal amount of resistance.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;51934853] Anything done with force will be met with an equal amount of resistance.[/QUOTE] This is why the war on drugs is and has always been a massive fucking joke it's a cycle of increasing the force against something to try and beat an increasing amount of resistance that thing creates Its a non-newtonian fluid. The harder you punch the harder it becomes.

[QUOTE=sannys;51934801]Oh no, I didn't specify "illegal" in a thread that is completely focused on illegal immigrants. So now you're attacking some non-existent point I was apparently trying to make. [/QUOTE] You not specifying illegal just makes me think you don't really care whether they're documented or not and just don't like immigrants, but know that saying you don't like legal immigrants is an indefensible opinion.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51934832]Like it or not, as proud as you are about trump, I doubt you care about the fact that people like him and his party are causing a bigger and bigger political gap and fucking destroying the country due to not being able to team up with other people. I don't give a shit what anyone says about Trump. At the end of this day this cunts in-ability to cooperate is bad luck. That and, illegal immigration can happen through other means than the border.[/QUOTE] I'm not proud about Trump. I didn't even vote for him. A person I don't like doing a good thing doesn't make the good thing less good. [quote]That and, illegal immigration can happen through other means than the border.[/quote] Just because a solution isn't perfect, doesn't mean it should not be implemented. Should we not wear seatbelts because we can still die in a collision? [quote]Tbh I think it'd be far more effective to combat illegal immigration by making legal immigration easier to actually do in the first place, and give people a good reason to stay as well. Make people stay and contribute to the economy itself. You'll probably end up better off in the long run.[/quote]Thank you for posting a sensible point of view. Not being sarcastic. [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51934817]It's almost like you're implying because we live in other countries we have no right to criticize the orange buffoon. If his statement about blaming the Democrats when Trumpcare goes tits up is anything to go by he thinks being President of America is some huge joke, and a big laugh, for the conservative party and for himself. Now tell me why do we have to spare our criticisms of this buffoon then?[/QUOTE] Of course you have a right to criticize countries you don't live in. It's just much easier for you to do because you're not personally affected. [QUOTE=zakedodead;51934859]You not specifying illegal just makes me think you don't really care whether they're documented or not and just don't like immigrants, but know that saying you don't like legal immigrants is an indefensible opinion.[/QUOTE] I have nothing against immigrants. Think what you'd like. You guys are reaching really far with this stuff.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51934858]This is why the war on drugs is and has always been a massive fucking joke it's a cycle of increasing the force against something to try and beat an increasing amount of resistance that thing creates[/QUOTE] The beauty of it is, this was not a lesson unknown to the US before they embarked on it - they [I]knew[/I] how much of the rise of organized crime syndicates in the United States had was owed to bootlegging during the Prohibition. It just creates an arms race where, no matter which way you look at it, everyone loses.

[QUOTE=sannys;51934801]Oh no, I didn't specify "illegal" in a thread that is completely focused on illegal immigrants. So now you're attacking some non-existent point I was apparently trying to make. You tell me? I'm not the one calling him a manchild. And a funny observation I've made is that most of the people in this thread aren't even in America. It's easy to post about how Trump is embarrassing America or whatever when most of the people in this thread probably don't even fucking live here.[/QUOTE] I never called him a manchild, and the flagdog means nothing when A) proxies are a thing, and B) work travel is a thing.

[QUOTE=Warborq;51934720]Yeah, checkmate guys. Let's make our country look unappealing to everyone on the outside world, we're going to get less people who immigrate. This is totally a bi-product of good executive decisions. Doesn't have anything to do with America looking like a shithole atm. Yeah, checkmate guys. :hammered:[/QUOTE] To be honest, Denmark does also do as much as legally possible to make their country as unappealing as possible for illegal immigrants (such as confiscating phones and any sort of money above 1000 euros from what I remember) , yet I never hear anyone saying that Denmark suddenly became a shithole because of that. In fact, they are still one of the better off countries in Western Europe.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51934872]I never called him a manchild, and the flagdog means nothing when A) proxies are a thing, and B) work travel is a thing.[/QUOTE] Not you, the other guy in this thread. Ctrl + F. Also, you've got to be kidding yourself, lol.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;51934853]Set up a merit-based system for immigration that attracts talent worldwide, making it easier for people to immigrate.[/QUOTE] Doesn't that just make it harder since your application goes straight to the garbage unless you're someone important? That's basically what we do anyway.

I wonder how much Trump has to do with it and how much of the fact that in general illegal immigration from Mexico to the United States has been going down recently anyway. If it is really down by 40% then what is the point of building the wall if Trump is going to make it hugely unattractive anyway? He should instead try and, you know, help Mexico out to make it a better place to live so people have a reason to stay in Mexico. Or make legal immigration easier. You know, *actual* solutions.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51934881]He should instead try and, you know, help Mexico out to make it a better place to live so people have a reason to stay in Mexico. Or make legal immigration easier. You know, *actual* solutions.[/QUOTE] Nope, we're gonna build a wall and make legal immigration even harder, because fuck Mexicans. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] The wall's probably not even gonna be done by the time he leaves office, then the next president will cancel it and we'll just have an unfinished fragments of the wall of shame dotting the border.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51934878]Doesn't that just make it harder since your application goes straight to the garbage unless you're someone important? That's basically what we do anyway.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily - there are three tracks to choose from under the point-based systems used by Canada, for example: a) Express Entry, where you get points under various criteria (Education, Age, etc) - I'm currently in process via this track. b) Investor based (give money for an interest free loan, get PR) c) Kind of related to Point a, but let's say you have a shitty score - you can use two things to improve it : i) A legit job offer with an LMIA (Labour Market Impact Assessment) - this is difficult to get. ii) A Provincial nomination - the Canadian Provinces themselves have the ability to review your application and decide to see if they think someone with your skillset would be useful to them, so they can choose to "sponsor" you by giving you 600 points. Typically, this comes with the understanding that you'd need to spend some time in their province, returning the favour. Apart from this, there are also supervisas available to sponsor your parents to come and live you for longer periods than is normally permitted (Up to 2 years at a time) as well as the ability to sponsor PR's for them. Right now in the US, the primary mode of ingress for a lot of immigrants (since there are very, [I]very[/I] few modes of self-petitioned visas) is sponsorship. My sister and brother-in-law became newly minted US citizens this month. If they were to choose to sponsor me for a green card ASAP, due to the shit-tastic backlog, I wouldn't even see that greencard until I'm pushing 40 (I turn 30 this year). Every single fucking milestone in my life means the file gets put at the bottom of the pile again - I get married (spouse gets added) or I have kids (dependents get added). By comparison, at the track I'm currently on with Canada. I'd have been a Canadian citizen for a few years and I'd actually qualify for a NEXUS card, allowing me easy passage between both countries.

[QUOTE=Jordax;51934876]To be honest, Denmark does also do as much as legally possible to make their country as unappealing as possible for illegal immigrants (such as confiscating phones and any sort of money above 1000 euros from what I remember) , yet I never hear anyone saying that Denmark suddenly became a shithole because of that. In fact, they are still one of the better off countries in Western Europe.[/QUOTE] You can still order executive decisions that lower immigration without crippling your ties with several countries. I don't see this as a win at all. I'm fine with people wanting less immigration, but is this really a professional way to solve this? Seems like you got the decrease in immigration but you effectively managed to piss off the entire world in the process.

[QUOTE=sannys;51934877]Not you, the other guy in this thread. Ctrl + F. Also, you've got to be kidding yourself, lol.[/QUOTE] I can't be a US citizen abroad? What's so ridiculous about Americans living outside the States? Is it that it makes what you were trying to say about people not having the right to complain in here look stupid?

[QUOTE=Exploders;51934668]Checkmate Democrat supporters, heres evidence of Trump's plans and actions working on reducing illegal immigration.[/QUOTE] Obama did more for securing the border than this manchild did, he deported more people than bush ever did and the mexican economy kept many of them from leaving to begin with

[QUOTE=Hick2;51934761]You don't think someone who was considering an illegal crossing into America could be a smidgen discouraged by Trump taking the[B] pregnancy?[/B] [/QUOTE] woah now

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51934667]So here's the thing. [url]http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/323098-dhs-secretary-touts-dip-in-illegal-border-crossings[/url] Illegal border crossings didn't decrease by 40%. The number of people caught dropped by 40%. Immigration probably went down, but I think that's an important distinction to make. Read the full statement here: [url]https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/03/08/statement-secretary-homeland-security-john-kelly-southwest-border-security[/url][/QUOTE] Sure, there's a distinction, but unless they changed procedures or smugglers suddenly got way better, it might as well be the same thing. It isn't surprising that numbers go down when you try to scare people away, same thing happened here in Denmark to some extent with asylum seekers. What should be questioned is whether scaring people away is a long term solution (it probably isn't) - I don't think it's beneficial for the left to try to question the numbers when they aren't questionable. With that said, I haven't checked up on these numbers - maybe it has fluctuated a lot in the past when something substantial happens, but I don't know.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51934881]If it is really down by 40% then what is the point of building the wall if Trump is going to make it hugely unattractive anyway?[/QUOTE] Not to mention the wall being an ineffective feelgood measure to begin with since it wouldn't have a huge effect on illegal border crossings and most of our illegal immigration comes from sources unrelated to illegal border crossings on top of that.

[QUOTE=dai;51934732]little did we know, trump IS the wall[/QUOTE] "I must build a wall" "No Donald, you are the wall" and then Donald stopped the immigrants

Shouldn't the title be changed to say number of apprehensions has dropped? Otherwise this is a pretty sensationalist headline, I get that's the name of the subforum but still. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] We arrested 50% less murderers last quarter which must mean murders are down!

It's the title I grabbed from Fox news, I didn't think of it.

[QUOTE=sannys;51934749]Lol. You guys seriously think illegal immigrants said "oh man America looks so bad now that Trump is president, I better stay in Mexico"? Sounds like you guys just can't appreciate a victory for Trump.[/QUOTE] Or that's actually what they are thinking? [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] Also I would like to see if the stats in canada have increased

[QUOTE=sannys;51934749]Lol. You guys seriously think illegal immigrants said "oh man America looks so bad now that Trump is president, I better stay in Mexico"? Sounds like you guys just can't appreciate a victory for Trump.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Sounds like you guys just can't appreciate a victory for Trump.[/QUOTE] A victory for a man treating the presidency like an extension of the Apprentice. Some victory you got there. You must be ever so proud for electing a worldwide joke (there's something both worrying and funny when you just say "Donald Trump" to foreigners and they laugh. Those I've spoken too don't know much english but they sure as hell all laugh when they hear Trump being said somewhere).

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;51934649]Hey, I wouldn't want to flee to a country ruled by a manchild either.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm sure it's because they don't like the president and has nothing to do with the fact that ICE is actually enforcing fucking immigration laws for once.

[QUOTE=srobins;51938431]Yeah I'm sure it's because they don't like the president and has nothing to do with the fact that ICE is actually enforcing fucking immigration laws for once.[/QUOTE] People got deported under obama too, you know.

[QUOTE=Drury;51935523]"I must build a wall" "No Donald, you are the wall" and then Donald stopped the immigrants[/QUOTE] Sounds like a weird family movie about persistence, friendship, love, Alzheimer's and immigrants.

Good. Hopefully they will try to immigrate legally.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51939415]Good. Hopefully they will try to immigrate legally.[/QUOTE] Isn't it extremely difficult to get into the United States and immigrate there (depending on where you come from) ? I don't think the majority of people would choose to immigrate somewhere illegally if they could afford and choose the legal option.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51939415]Good. Hopefully they will try to immigrate legally.[/QUOTE] make it easier to immigrate (akin to the mid 19th century) and you got yourself a deal sir