[QUOTE=thisispain;35799937]arson in Michigan gives you UP to 10 years according to google, nice job pulling numbers out of your arse[/QUOTE]
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Damn automerge
[QUOTE=Rebi;35799901]That's lenient as fuck. Arson can give you 30+ years, and attempted murder carries a bit more weight than that.[/QUOTE]
Maybe if you have priors. Someone's first conviction for arson will [I]not[/I] get them 30 years in prison.
[QUOTE=Last or First;35799941]yes
all criminals should be killed
unless if they're really bad, then we let them live and invite them over for tea
the people that deliver justice will be a group of young adults and teenagers with traumatic pasts, swords, Hot Topic clothing and more belts and zippers than you can shake a stick at
and a dog
a dog that smokes
okay maybe I've been playing too many jrpgs[/QUOTE]
I don't really see the parallel between the current topic and Tales of Vesperia.
I think your problem might be more of the psychoactive variety.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35799923]Servicemen are not malicious. Well, most at least.
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This is another fucking assumption that's not quantifiable. For fuck's sake why don't you get that these baseless assumptions are worthless when judging people for crimes.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35799945]they're all threats
and you are advocating a purely threat based legal system, correct?[/QUOTE]
No im basing on threat and intent.
Pop good/bad in there if you will.
[editline]2nd May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35799962]Maybe if you have priors. Someone's first conviction for arson will [I]not[/I] get them 30 years in prison.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my stupid fuck brother had a warrant out for his arrest for arson. It was like 300 fucking dollars, and they wanted him to do a bunch of community service and shit.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35800010]No im basing on threat and intent.
Pop good/bad in there if you will.[/QUOTE]
oh so now intent is a part of it
so it's okay to be a threat if you don't have the intent to kill
threat and intent (with good/bad) legal system
aren't you missing something there?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35800034]oh so now intent is a part of it
so it's okay to be a threat if you don't have the intent to kill[/QUOTE]
How are you a threat when you don't intend to harm anyone?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35800010]Yeah, my stupid fuck brother had a warrant out for his arrest for arson. It was like 300 fucking dollars, and they wanted him to do a bunch of community service and shit.[/QUOTE]
your family sounds lovely by the way
~10-25% of somebody's entire life = Lenient.
Way t' go, folks!
[QUOTE=Rebi;35799901]That's lenient as fuck. Arson can give you 30+ years, and attempted murder carries a bit more weight than that.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't.
Not trying to lessen the severity of the situation, the cop could have easily died because of this asshole. but 20-25 years seems like it would be a reasonable amount. Who knows how much someone could change in that amount of time.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;35800044]How are you a threat when you don't intend to harm anyone?[/QUOTE]
exactly
So now people who shoot others in self defense should be put away for life, because not only did they prove they're a threat(as they're willing to kill), but they've shown they're willing to exercise that ability in practice.
Of course we can't know that they won't kill again, because as we've just discussed if you've done it once under one set of circumstances you're capable of doing it under any set of circumstances. Ergo, life in prison for self defense.
14 to 25 is a pretty long ass time, but I think he should have more. I'm not saying this because I have an "emotional hard-on" or anything, but the culmination of charges I believe warrant more time than that. He had a defaced firearm, which tells me that it was premeditated that he was going to rob someone(s). The fact that he had no issue pointing said firearm at someone's head and then shooting them five times tells me that they're not mentally nor emotionally stable enough to be released back into public. Personally I think there should not be a difference between attempted murder and murder. I get that there's the argument of "oh I might as well not leave witnesses now" but in cases such as this where the only witness was the one being murdered the only difference is the accused failed at killing someone.
But I've never had formal education in Law so I can only offer up my opinion, not whether or not the sentence was valid or lenient or what have you.
[QUOTE=ac/14;35800100]Not trying to lessen the severity of the situation, the cop could have easily died because of this asshole. but 20-25 years seems like it would be a reasonable amount. Who knows how much someone could change in that amount of time.[/QUOTE]
Considering the US prison system? Probably for the worse and unable to handle 25 years of technological progress.
[QUOTE=RO;35798860]The law is in place and everyone is well aware that attempting to murder someone is against it, giving people a million chances to try again in society doesn't help, if they are messed up enough to hold a gun to someone's head and to then use it they ought to be kept clear of the public for good. You see celebrities going to the best Rehab centres money can buy and still not dropping their bad habits etc. what good would a state run program do?
If you intend to murder someone then you should be given a life sentence regardless of whether you achieved your aim, just because the officer was tough as fuck doesn't mean the punishment should be any less, the guy would have happily killed the officer there and then.
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Those rehab centers I'm pretty sure are just detox centers. Not to mention that you's want to keep an eye on them, have a schedule of psychological sessions and all that.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35798927]The difference is that nobody is dead.[/QUOTE]
Id love to know where you get your morals and common sense from. If i had to live in a country with a justice system ran by you, id gladly kill myself.
14 years is a long time, but not long enough for what he did.
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;35800316]Id love to know where you get your morals and common sense from. If i had to live in a country with a justice system ran by you, id gladly kill myself.
14 years is a long time, but not long enough for what he did.[/QUOTE]
The fact that he acknowledges there is a difference between someone dying and someone not dying would prompt you to commit suicide. I think you might need help.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35798709]Holy shit I thought Detroit being such a shithole was an over-exaggeration, but now I see someone who attempts to kill a police officer, then threatens him multiple times in afterward, is getting a light sentence for it...[/QUOTE]
It is literally like what you hear; it's fucking horrible there.. There's at least one or two rape or murders each day.
Not to mention everyone there's strung out on some crazy shit.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35799784]lankist already addressed this, the law system doesn't give sentences based on threat because threat is an assumption of how dangerous someone is, which isn't quantifiable.
by saying he's a threat you're making the assumption that he will be violent again, the law system cannot bring that into account because it's an assumption, not a quantifiable set of actions with results.[/QUOTE]
Why can you trust psychologists with an assessment of someone's mental health and use it in court but not with an assessement of threat?
14 years, 25 years, life, doesn't matter
it'll feel like a lifetime when he gets out anyway
14-25 years is lenient???? i'm only 20 so he could possibly stay in prison for longer than i have been alive that is just fucked
Things like this make me ashamed to live in Detroit. This city can be such a nice place, but the mentality of the people here just ruins it. :/
[QUOTE=Mon;35798651]we shouldn't be locking these people up for punishment, we should be locking them up for rehab
yeah what the kid did was pretty godawful, and i can sympathize with the officer, especially since he was permanently injured, but wanting a longer sentence out of some kind of need for revenge just shouldn't be part of society today[/QUOTE]
I agree, for some crimes the focus should be rehab rather than punishment (drug use for example), but when someone is willing to take someone elses life over whatever money they happen to have on them (or any other retarded reason), then rehab is pointless. You can only change someone so much and some people don't deserve a second chance.
I wish the cop had killed him.
Also, to everyone saying "but no one died", the only reason no one is dead is because the cop is a bad ass and the shooter sucks at aiming. Just because someone was lucky doesn't mean a person should get a better sentence, with a bit less luck, that cop would have been killed.
Damn this thread has got a lot of new posts...
[QUOTE=DaMastez;35801446]I agree, for some crimes the focus should be rehab rather than punishment (drug use for example), but when someone is willing to take someone elses life over whatever money they happen to have on them (or any other retarded reason), then rehab is pointless. You can only change someone so much and some people don't deserve a second chance.
I wish the cop had killed him.
Also, to everyone saying "but no one died", the only reason no one is dead is because the cop is a bad ass and the shooter sucks at aiming. Just because someone was lucky doesn't mean a person should get a better sentence, with a bit less luck, that cop would have been killed.
Damn this thread has got a lot of new posts...[/QUOTE]
What exactly does it mean to deserve something? And I very much so disagree. Criminals are not born with a criminal mentality, they are thrust into it (or exposed to sufficient stimulus). If you can change someone into a criminal, you can change one back.
[QUOTE=Lethaxx;35800316]Id love to know where you get your morals and common sense from. If i had to live in a country with a justice system ran by you, id gladly kill myself.
14 years is a long time, but not long enough for what he did.[/QUOTE]
Well you might as well bite the bullet because what I have described is exactly how the American judicial system operates.
[editline]2nd May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaMastez;35801446]I wish the cop had killed him.[/QUOTE]
Well aren't you just the little paragon of justice.
Dear ' The Lawyer and Court exper ' Lankist - Stop degrading other members.
This case is actually starting to get around now.. Im not sure if any.. real media will get it
[QUOTE=areolop;35802265]Dear ' The Lawyer and Court exper ' Lankist - Stop degrading other members.
This case is actually starting to get around now.. Im not sure if any.. real media will get it[/QUOTE]
you sound drunk
[QUOTE=areolop;35802265]Dear ' The Lawyer and Court exper ' Lankist - Stop degrading other members.
This case is actually starting to get around now.. Im not sure if any.. real media will get it[/QUOTE]
how about you stop degrading human beings
[QUOTE=areolop;35802265]Dear ' The Lawyer and Court exper ' Lankist - Stop degrading other members.
This case is actually starting to get around now.. Im not sure if any.. real media will get it[/QUOTE]
Oh shut up. You're so full of shit. You are the one that didn't contribute in ANY way to this discussion from the start. It's not lankist's fault if everybody here seems to grasp little to nothing of the legal system.
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