• Michigan cop shot 5 times tells off judge
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I understand why people would say that this is a short time, but I don't necessarily think so. I mean, the cop should obviously get some compensation and the guy should go to prison for a long time, but 14 years [I]is[/I] a long time. I'm aware of that US prisons really aren't about getting people into society again, but in Denmark we try to rehabilitate people, not just letting them rot in prison. It's expensive, and in the end it does no good.
[QUOTE=areolop;35798692]Are you fucking kidding me? Have you ever read a state [url=https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.066]statute[/url] before? Police do not murder people. They protect themselves and others from being murdered. PS: They get paid leave because its their job to protect. And, they still have to be cleared of criminal charges[/QUOTE] He might be talking about cases where no ones life is in danger. Basically, when they shouldn't kill. It happens..
The 25 year old scumbag should be hung.
[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35814061]The 25 year old scumbag should be hung.[/QUOTE] like a horse
[QUOTE=Lankist;35798879]Irrelevant. The cop didn't die.[/QUOTE] You are just so persistent aren't you? You must have some sort of flawed logic or warped interpretation or reality, because there is absolutely no difference between killing someone and having the intent to kill someone. The only reason the cop did not die is because of luck, the circumstances that happened to have played out. Had the cop not been so lucky, he would have been shot in the temple, and dead. Why? Because the there was [B]intent[/B] from the beginning to kill regardless. You are a fool otherwise to argue with that, that's simple and it's a fact.
[QUOTE=Cruma;35814458] You must have some sort of flawed logic or warped interpretation or reality, because there is absolutely no difference between killing someone and having the intent to kill someone.[/QUOTE] no there's definitely is, in one there's a dead guy and in the other there's no dead guy.
jesus god this place is fucking illiterate
[QUOTE=Lankist;35814594]jesus god this place is fucking illiterate[/QUOTE] Says the man that used two nouns without any separation and a lack of capitalization.
[QUOTE=vizard38;35815032]Says the man that used two nouns without any separation and a lack of capitalization.[/QUOTE] that means he's lazy, not illiterate.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35815279]that means he's lazy, not illiterate.[/QUOTE] But illiterates are lazy
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35815292]But illiterates are lazy[/QUOTE] This is wrong on so many levels I have to concluded you are sarcastic
[QUOTE=Cruma;35814458]You are just so persistent aren't you? You must have some sort of flawed logic or warped interpretation or reality, because there is absolutely no difference between killing someone and having the intent to kill someone. The only reason the cop did not die is because of luck, the circumstances that happened to have played out. Had the cop not been so lucky, he would have been shot in the temple, and dead. Why? Because the there was [B]intent[/B] from the beginning to kill regardless. You are a fool otherwise to argue with that, that's simple and it's a fact.[/QUOTE] In law there is a big difference. You can have as much intent as you want, if you don't kill someone its not murder just attempted which has a lesser sentence. I live in Canada so that would be more than a fair sentence here. The problem down in the states isn't the legal system its the prison system. They punish rather then rehab them.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35815279]that means he's lazy, not illiterate.[/QUOTE] no i just stopped taking this seriously a while ago. i give a serious analysis, i use proper [url=http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/kelsey-grammer-headshot2.jpg]grammer[/url] when someone is clearly not putting any goddamn effort into reading the words i type, i don't put any effort into them. [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] also exclamations and slang don't need to meet stringent syntax
[I]14 years[/I] is a light sentence now?
America's justice system is fucked up if all you want to do is ensure your criminals go down for as long as they can.
[QUOTE=zacht_180;35803057]I know a lot of you guys are trolling about the "fuck the police" shit, and "the cops suck." But people do really think that, so here... Everyone needs to stop bitching about how cops suck at their job. Shut the hell up, they don't. It's really just a general stereotype. The ratio of good cops to bad cops is probably 65 to 1. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely officers that don't deserve to have their position. Most of these guys take their jobs seriously and want the best for their department and their city. Please take your ugly spotted dick, shove it where the sun don't shine, and quit fucking crying. Anyways, this guy's sentence is lenient as shit. :)[/QUOTE] why don't you shut up? the police DO suck and they have for a long time. the modern law system is a fucking joke that idolizes policemen and demonizes the people they're meant to protect. telling people to fuck up about criticizing cops? WE ARE MEANT TO AND ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE COPS our taxes pay their wages, they serve US and if we think they're doing a shitty job about it then we have the right and the responsibility to point that out, no that it ever makes a difference because of chickenshits like you who are so willing to suck the dick of any authority figure in sight. lenient sentence my ass, i doubt you've barely seen a day past 14 years yet you think someone should spend that much time in prison?
[QUOTE=thisispain;35814517]no there's definitely is, in one there's a dead guy and in the other there's no dead guy.[/QUOTE] True, one is worse than the other for victim and the people who know the victim in the case when the victim is actually killed; however, if someone is willing to go through will killing someone else and fails because they are an idiot (or luck, or whatever else) then why should they be charged any differently than if they had be successful? The end result they set to achieve is the same, regardless of what the end result actually was.
I laugh at all the people in this thread who post as if the life of a police officer is worth more for some reason. "But he shot a POLICE OFFICER HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOREVER" Christ, i disagree with punishment for crimes as it simply isn't a solution but if you are going to punish you cant just go valuing some peoples lives more for no reason.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35817798]why don't you shut up? the police DO suck and they have for a long time. the modern law system is a fucking joke that idolizes policemen and demonizes the people they're meant to protect. telling people to fuck up about criticizing cops? WE ARE MEANT TO AND ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE COPS our taxes pay their wages, they serve US and if we think they're doing a shitty job about it then we have the right and the responsibility to point that out, no that it ever makes a difference because of chickenshits like you who are so willing to suck the dick of any authority figure in sight. lenient sentence my ass, i doubt you've barely seen a day past 14 years yet you think someone should spend that much time in prison?[/QUOTE] This is exactly why I tell you people to shut up. :D I never said you weren't allowed to criticize law enforcement - I said quit being so fucking annoying about it. Quit sounding like a whining bitch about it, quit'cher fucking crying. You can criticize if necessary, by all means do it. But these people tend to over-exaggerate a lot. It is a stereotype. Please stop being so butthurt. Please do me a favor and [i]try[/i] to think rationally here for a moment. I've worked with police officers for quite a bit now, and I can tell you most of us do our job just fine. But don't get me wrong, you do of course have officers who are completely asinine and [i]shouldn't[/i] have their job, but really it's just a stereotype for Christ's sake. [b]Stereotype[/b] ster·e·o·type /ˈsterēəˌtīp/ A widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing: "sexual and racial stereotypes". I don't want to come off as flaming - but God you're an idiot. Do you know what an analogy is? I hope you do. People are going around saying, "Man these cops suck at their jobs we need to do something about it, all of them are idiots and they act like stuck-up assholes!". Let me first state that I am by no means racist. Let's consider the fact that 52.1% of violent crimes in America are committed by African Americans. Holy shit, every single black person must be a criminal! No... just no. It's the same fucking thing when people go around implying that every damn police department in the United States of America employs moronic police officers. Thanks for calling [i]me[/i] an idiot lol [quote="Turnips5"]14 years is a light sentence now?[/quote] Nah, just when you shoot somebody five times. :)
[QUOTE=Lankist;35799160]Nobody fucking died. He could have killed a bystander, or a bullet could have grazed a gas pump and caught the whole fucking place on fire. We didn't charge him for that, either.[/QUOTE] If you really are in the justice system(which i hope you're not) are reflecting a bad image of others in the justice system, worse of an image then they have now. A man's life has been ruined, the robber attempted murder, and the victim is a fucking [B]cop[/B], 14 years minimum is very, very low for this kind of crime.
so are you implying if it weren't a cop, the sentence should be lesser?
A cop's job is to protect the people, and when the people turn on the cop's,that right there is fucked, they deserve nothing less than a long-ass sentence.
That isn't what I asked you. If somebody kills a random civilian, should they serve less time than if they had killed a cop? [editline]4th May 2012[/editline] Is a police officer's life worth more than the people that police officer is supposed to be protecting?
[QUOTE=Lankist;35828516]That isn't what I asked you. If somebody kills a random civilian, should they serve less time than if they had killed a cop? [editline]4th May 2012[/editline] Is a police officer's life worth more than the people that police officer is supposed to be protecting?[/QUOTE] Killing a police officer undermines the safety of an entire community in a way that killing a random civilian doesn't. At least, I think that's the main justification for viewing murdering police as more severe.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35828723]Killing a police officer undermines the safety of an entire community in a way that killing a random civilian doesn't. At least, I think that's the main justification for viewing murdering police as more severe.[/QUOTE] That, again, isn't what I asked. Do you think a cop's life is worth more than a bystander's?
No everyone is worth the same its not about status, this is a human life we're talking about. Cop or civilian alike they should be charged for the maximum years.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35828731]That, again, isn't what I asked. Do you think a cop's life is worth more than a bystander's?[/QUOTE] You asked two things actually. And of another user, I was just sort of chiming in. I was answering the question "If somebody kills a random civilian, should they serve less time than if they had killed a cop?" which wasn't an answer for, nor is even related to "Is a police officer's life worth more than the people that police officer is supposed to be protecting? "
Lankist, you are an ass backwards motherfucker.:suicide:
[QUOTE=sniperkitty;35828761]No everyone is worth the same its not about status, this is a human life we're talking about. Cop or civilian alike they should be charged for the maximum years.[/QUOTE] But isn't that counter-intuitive to: [quote]If you really are in the justice system(which i hope you're not) are reflecting a bad image of others in the justice system, worse of an image then they have now. A man's life has been ruined, the robber attempted murder, [B]and the victim is a fucking cop[/B], 14 years minimum is very, very low for this kind of crime. [/quote] Why does attempted murder of a cop factor in if you think all judgements should be equal? You do know why we don't play that sort of game, right? Because we aren't an authoritarian society, and we do not levy discernibly greater punishments for crimes inflicted against authority as we do crimes inflicted against bystanders. When you start valuing life that way, that's what allows cops to murder people and get away with it. [editline]4th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;35828766]You asked two things actually. And of another user, I was just sort of chiming in. I was answering the question "If somebody kills a random civilian, should they serve less time than if they had killed a cop?" which wasn't an answer for, nor is even related to "Is a police officer's life worth more than the people that police officer is supposed to be protecting? "[/QUOTE] Don't chime in if you aren't going to participate. [editline]4th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=sniperkitty;35828785]Lankist, you are an ass backwards motherfucker.:suicide:[/QUOTE] Excellent rebuttal really your rhetorical skills are top-notch you should be president
[QUOTE=Lankist;35828804] Don't chime in if you aren't going to participate.[/QUOTE] I was participating damnit! Just because I wasn't answering every question you posed doesn't mean I'm not contributing. You're mean Lankist.
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