German neo-Nazis: We're pro-Israel, condemn anti-Semitism - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115038]Please explain the Nazi ideology to me then. [editline]11:12PM[/editline] In detail[/QUOTE] Just what the term is: National Socialism. Nationalist: Another word for patriotic, thinks their country is the greatest, encompasses a certain amount of xenophobia, because of that, and can also be expansionist. Socialist: Well, I don't really need to define that, because we both know it doesn't have anything to do with race, really.

Let's pretend everything is completely straightforward. Nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115116]Just what the term is: National Socialism. Nationalist: Another word for patriotic, thinks their country is the greatest, encompasses a certain amount of xenophobia, because of that, and can also be expansionist. Socialist: Well, I don't really need to define that, because we both know it doesn't have anything to do with race, really.[/QUOTE] Have you ever read Mein Kampf?

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115075]See if I recall, given I have read Mein Kampf, the entire ideology was born out of racial purity and a divine mission given to Hitler in the form of mustard gas.[/QUOTE] Once again, you're thinking back to National Socialist German Workers' Party ideology. NSGWP = National Socialism National Socialism =/= NSGWP

Spain you are a jew [editline]11:18PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115141]Once again, you're thinking back to National Socialist German Workers' Party ideology. NSGWP = National Socialism National Socialism =/= NSGWP[/QUOTE] Semantics.

[QUOTE=thisispain;17115130]Let's pretend everything is completely straightforward. Nothing wrong with that.[/QUOTE] I'm only saying, [B]by definition[/B] National Socialism doesn't advocate racism or ethnic purist ideals. It just so happens that, because of the nature of nationalism, racism is an unfortunate by-product.

[QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115160]I'm only saying, [B]by definition[/B] National Socialism doesn't advocate racism or ethnic purist ideals. It just so happens that, because of the nature of nationalism, racism is an unfortunate by-product.[/QUOTE] And by definition the Ku Klux Klan doesn't advocate hanging darkies

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115142]Semantics.[/QUOTE] Prove me wrong. I'm throwing this out there, where's your side to this?

[QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115160]I'm only saying, [B]by definition[/B] National Socialism doesn't advocate racism or ethnic purist ideals. It just so happens that, because of the nature of nationalism, racism is an unfortunate by-product.[/QUOTE] The person who first wrote National Socialism used it in anti-Semitic context. The definition of National Socialism is anti-Semitic.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115173]And by definition the Ku Klux Klan doesn't advocate hanging darkies[/QUOTE] Well it's not like "Lynch all the negroes" is in their party platform. White superiority is a very public part of their party, and we all know what comes with that. So yeah, they pretty much do advocate hanging darkies, however indirectly.

[QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115175]Prove me wrong. I'm throwing this out there, where's your side to this?[/QUOTE] Uhh, Nazis advocate racism, xenophobia and racial purity under the guise of social darwinism, despite the fact that Hitler's interests were quite clearly less interested in fair competition and more interested in killing jews.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115208]Uhh, Nazis advocate racism, xenophobia and racial purity under the guise of social darwinism, despite the fact that Hitler's interests were quite clearly less interested in fair competition and more interested in killing jews.[/QUOTE] Correct. Hitler's Nazis advocated all those things. Once again, NSGWP = National Socialism National Socialism =/= NSGWP

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115142]Spain you are a jew Semantics.[/QUOTE] Semitics.

That's like saying there are Christians who do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. [editline]11:26PM[/editline] Hey guys don't judge Christianity by Jesus Christ, judge it by all this other shit. [editline]11:27PM[/editline] Hitler fucking invented the philosophy. You can't tell me to just put Hitler aside. He's Hitler! We're talking about Nazis!

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115208]Uhh, Nazis advocate racism, xenophobia and racial purity under the guise of social darwinism, despite the fact that Hitler's interests were quite clearly less interested in fair competition and more interested in killing jews.[/QUOTE] Hitler was batshit insane. You can't assume that all national socialists think exactly like he did, that's asinine. He exploited NS viewpoints to further his own vendetta against the Jews. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] Hitler didn't invent national socialism. He only coined the term "Nazi" as far as I know.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17115267]Hitler was batshit insane. You can't assume that all national socialists think exactly like he did, that's asinine. He exploited NS viewpoints to further his own vendetta against the Jews. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] Hitler didn't invent national socialism.[/QUOTE] Yes, Maurice Barres did, who also advocated anti-semitism.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17115267]Hitler was batshit insane. You can't assume that all national socialists think exactly like he did, that's asinine. He exploited NS viewpoints to further his own vendetta against the Jews. [editline]10:28PM[/editline] Hitler didn't invent national socialism. He only coined the term.[/QUOTE] He invented it. He popularized it. He defined it. He wrote it. Hitler is Nazi.

[QUOTE=thisispain;17115281]Yes, Maurice Barres did, who also advocated anti-semitism.[/QUOTE] And Americans used to own slaves. People, countries, and political viewpoints can change over time.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115249]That's like saying there are Christians who do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. [editline]11:26PM[/editline] Hey guys don't judge Christianity by Jesus Christ, judge it by all this other shit. [editline]11:27PM[/editline] Hitler fucking invented the philosophy. You can't tell me to just put Hitler aside. He's Hitler! We're talking about Nazis![/QUOTE] As Zeke said, he didn't invent National Socialism, he only coined the term. National Socialism, [B][I][U]by definition,[/U][/I][/B] doesn't encompass racist or ethnic purist ideals. Hitler's Nazi Party did. That doesn't mean shit, however. I guess you don't understand.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115287] Hitler is Nazi.[/QUOTE] But not all Nazis are Hitler. [editline]10:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115296]As Zeke said, he didn't invent National Socialism, he only coined the term. National Socialism, [B][I][U]by definition,[/U][/I][/B] doesn't encompass racist or ethnic purist ideals. Hitler's Nazi Party did. That doesn't mean shit, however. I guess you don't understand.[/QUOTE] He coined the term Nazi, but not national socialism. I fixed that part.

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115287]He invented it. He popularized it. He defined it. He wrote it. Hitler is Nazi.[/QUOTE] You're way over-simplifying it, I'm sorry. It just doesn't work that way.

[QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115296]As Zeke said, he didn't invent National Socialism, he only coined the term. National Socialism, [B][I][U]by definition,[/U][/I][/B] doesn't encompass racist or ethnic purist ideals. Hitler's Nazi Party did. That doesn't mean shit, however. I guess you don't understand.[/QUOTE] It opposes pluralism as a whole. [editline]11:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ErectorBeast;17115309]You're way over-simplifying it, I'm sorry. It just doesn't work that way.[/QUOTE] Yes it does. [editline]11:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;17115302]But not all Nazis are Hitler.[/QUOTE] All Nazis are Nazis.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17115295]And Americans used to own slaves. People, countries, and political viewpoints can change over time.[/QUOTE] No, they cannot. The definition of National Socialism as created was anti-semitic, and throughout history was used against the jewish communities where ever. I don't know what you have against Jewish people, but it's disgustingly retarded.

"American" is not a political party

At least we can say: Regardless, any 'non-hitlerite' national socialism, likewise with any other version of nationalism, inevitable leads to fascism and state power as they try to strengthen their favorited country against their perceived enemies.

Abolitionism and anti-abolitionism were political ideologies. They have not changed.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17115295]And Americans used to own slaves. People, countries, and political viewpoints can change over time.[/QUOTE] Which is probably why we no longer vote for Whigs and Federalists. And why Germany is no longer run by fucking Nazis

Not to mention, this argument is completely stupid, seeing as the group is called "Nazis for Israel".

[QUOTE=Lankist;17115322]It opposes pluralism as a whole. [editline]11:32PM[/editline] Yes it does. [editline]11:32PM[/editline] All Nazis are Nazis.[/QUOTE] You're so wrong it's funny. Let's go through our list: Nazi = National Socialist Nationalism =/= Racist Ideals Socialist =/= Racist Ideals Oh, wow, if neither of those terms automatically imply racist ideals, then how did they get there? Oh wait, that's right, racist ideals were [I]combined[/I] with national socialism. They frequently make a pair, because the nature of nationalism leaves a lot of room for racism to be paired with it. Does that mean nationalism automatically implies racism? No, just means it is often combined with racism because they're easy terms to combine.

Are these Trolls of Trolls? :raise: