• Battle for Aleppo has ended in 'uncompromising military victory': UN
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[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51552703]Will this cheap food be collected from all over the US, whilst staying fresh itself and then teleporting itself to Africa? You my friend are a deluded idealist.[/QUOTE] What are container ships. What are freezers. Should we just let that food be wasted? Because if you think that, you, my friend, are the deluded one.
[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51550864]But why do they come to Europe then when there are plenty of stabel islamic countries like the gulf states, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Egypte, Tunis, Algeria or Morocco? Why go to countries were the culture, people and religion are so different? Unless they got some other ulterior motive like for example a financial one.[/QUOTE] Lebanon, Turkey, etc have the [B]vast[/B] majority of Syrian refugees in their countries The conditions in the camps of those countries are often very shit though Some refugees decide to travel to Europe because of this, or because they think in Europe they or their children will actually have a future as their country is in ruins and of course there are some people who come to Europe who aren't refugees
[QUOTE=gukki;51552675]Massive overpopulation and the end of humanity[/QUOTE] This whole "Africans will multiply like rabbits if their living conditions improve" myth runs contrary to what has been observed in [B]every developed country in the world[/B].
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51552712]What are container ships. What are freezers. [/QUOTE] And what is the money that would would be required to run huge ships literally back and forth without any profit whatsoever.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51552712]What are container ships. What are freezers. Should we just let that food be wasted? Because if you think that, you, my friend, are the deluded one.[/QUOTE] In a word, yes. Who is paying for all this to be collected in chilled vans from across the united states, packed, shipped and distributed across Africa? You can't change the world on goodwill. Nobody likes to see poverty or hunger but it exists. Get real.
Fighting over? How is the SAA going to evict Turkey from northern Syria? How is Assad going to stop Hezbollah taking control? The Lebanon Civil War lasted 15 years and you can fit 7 or 8 Lebanon's into Syria. The fight for real democracy in Syria continues unabated and while Assad can claim victory over the ruins of Syria's second city, the fighting there will return in due order. No amount of Iranians, Russians or Hezbollah soldiers can change that.
[QUOTE=Meester;51553306]Fighting over? How is the SAA going to evict Turkey from northern Syria? How is Assad going to stop Hezbollah taking control? The Lebanon Civil War lasted 15 years and you can fit 7 or 8 Lebanon's into Syria. The fight for real democracy in Syria continues unabated and while Assad can claim victory over the ruins of Syria's second city, the fighting there will return in due order. No amount of Iranians, Russians or Hezbollah soldiers can change that.[/QUOTE] We have nothing against Hezbollah, as for Turkey I am not sure, they might try to attack Aleppo again, but only time will tell.
[QUOTE=MrBunneh;51545304]what happens if/when the war in syria is over? does every country ship all the refugees back or what?[/QUOTE] We will finally have that pipeline for Europe ready. In case everyone forgot how this all started.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51553088]This whole "Africans will multiply like rabbits if their living conditions improve" myth runs contrary to what has been observed in [B]every developed country in the world[/B].[/QUOTE] why are you using the future tense here? [img]http://i.imgur.com/VKdYLSK.png[/img]
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51550588]You're an idiot. Refugees also come from Iraq and Afghanistan. If they're peaceful places why don't you go there on holiday?[/QUOTE] I already intend on going to Afghanistan namely to goto the regions where gunsmiths are located and to study their craft, as well as doing a bit of fly fishing. As Iraq at the moment is mostly liberated in the South, I wouldn't mind going there either. Please, do not project. :v: [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51550588] Syria isn't the only country in the world where people have legit claims to refugee status from. sure there are some people who abuse the system, trying to get to Europe from a safe country but the majority are fleeing war and oppression.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-benefits-idUSKCN11B11M"]Try a majority of people abusing the system[/URL]. Not only are the majority [I]not[/I] coming from Syria, but those which are coming from other conflict hotspots are currently denying the already available help within their regions. Be it refugee camps, settlements, and liberated/safe areas, to travel half a continent to get to places like Germany, Sweden, and the UK. Why? If they are refugee, wouldn't it be better to travel less of a distance, and stay within your homelands to at least return once the conflict[or non-conflict] settles out, and reestablish yourself? The vast majority of refugees are already doing this, with tons of people fleeing the Syrian and Iraqi Wars staying within 100km ~ 300km of their homes. They are not exactly going the extra 1000km's to get to a refugee camp just because they need to find a new refugee camp. Alternative motive exists, and that is because they intend on staying, and that is not what a refugee program is for, at all. Refugees must go home once the war settles down. No ifs, no buts. They can choose to go through the proper channels to migrate to the country they are residing in, but otherwise, they are still a refugee who must go home. [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51550588] Of those who do flee safe countries if they're prepared to throw it all away and risk a boat trip where 1000 die weekly then maybe that country Wasn't that much of a safe place to be. We can't take everyone but saying 4/5 come from stable places is an absurd attempt to spread malicious misinformation. Your posts seem to have gotten far worse this past year.[/QUOTE] They risk it because they have something to gain. That is all. I sympathize with actual refugee fleeing ongoing wars which are resulting in thousands of deaths per month, but I see no reason to travel such a vast distance when UN camps exist, when neighboring countries have refugee programs, and political asylum is a thing just about everywhere. The incentive has, and always will be monetary gain. Realize that the governments in Europe are effectively giving them new household, furniture, and money to live with, within Europe. It's really that simple.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51554221]Not only are the majority [I]not[/I] coming from Syria, [/QUOTE] Are you basing this off of Frans Timmermans' claim again like you did last time Do I have to link my post where what was wrong with that claim is explained
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;51554246]Are you basing this off of Frans Timmermans' claim again like you did last time Do I have to link my post where what was wrong with that claim is explained[/QUOTE] Go for it. Not sure which post you are talking about tbh.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51554271]Go for it. Not sure which post you are talking about tbh.[/QUOTE] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1504439&p=49664912&viewfull=1#post49664912[/url]
I have been more basing my numbers off [url=http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6996925/3-18092015-BP-EN.pdf/b0377f79-f06d-4263-aa5b-cc9b4f6a838f]this report from Eurostat[/url]. As for the moment, this is only for the second quarter of 2015. If you can get me stats on the actual numbers for the last five years, it'd be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51552672]Economy is starting to pick up again now, but the western governments are not in a good place still.[/QUOTE] Thanks to a top-down economic structure, the working class hasn't actually felt any major economic improvement. We're only slightly better off than right after the 2008 crash, and personally I believe we'll have another crash by the time Trump leaves office.
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