Jennifer Lawrence claims the leak was a "sex crime"
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[QUOTE=voltlight;46176457]I find it amusing/ironic the two people saying she should only go after the leakers are using macs..[/QUOTE]
ya know osx is unix-based and much better equipped for developing software than a windows machine.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;46176972]So what's your response to assault, then? [I]"Eh, some people get murdered, assault is nothing!"[/I]? Just because one is less severe doesn't mean it should be just blown off as if it's nothing.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously comparing beatings/stabbings to some shitty selfies being leaked
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;46177639]Are you seriously comparing beatings/stabbings to some shitty selfies being leaked[/QUOTE]
No, it's an example of a flawed argument using the same logic as the post he replied to, at least include the post he is replying to instead of taking it out of context to make it look like he is giving a really shitty argument.
[QUOTE=deadoon;46177608]Maybe you should try reading exactly what I said again. Did the person who leaked it ever have contact or have communication with the person affected?
You never answered any of the questions I asked and dodged them.[/QUOTE]
so because the leaker didn't contact the people who's private photos they stole & spread around the internet it doesn't count?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;46177639]Are you seriously comparing beatings/stabbings to some shitty selfies being leaked[/QUOTE]
please learn to read words
[QUOTE=Pokeman493;46177651]No, it's an example of a flawed argument using the same logic as the post he replied to, at least include the post he is replying to instead of taking it out of context to make it look like he is giving a really shitty argument.[/QUOTE]
What he's responding to doesn't change that he's comparing assault to celebrity nudes.
I'm just gonna keep saying "Greg Oden" over and over again until the media gives us some consistency.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;46177662]so because the leaker didn't contact the people who's private photos they stole & spread around the internet it doesn't count?[/QUOTE]
I was saying it in response to me considering it only harassment if the harasser does something directly towards the person, and generally is persistent.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;46177683]What he's responding to doesn't change that he's comparing assault to celebrity nudes.[/QUOTE]
Yup it's true. If a is to b as c is to d, a literally equals c
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;46177683]What he's responding to doesn't change that he's comparing assault to celebrity nudes.[/QUOTE]
Because leaving out critical details is perfectly fine if it suits your interests, I see.
[QUOTE=.Lain;46176434]should sites knowingly hosting child porn not be punished? it's the same kind of ordeal. perpetuating the issue etc.[/QUOTE]
One is a very illegal crime that is monitored heavily by the government and CP is really going to be done completely against the childs will, and the fact of making CP is harmful in itself. Sites that get CP put on them from outside sources, like say imgur, they dont just go after imgur, they work with them to fucking catch the people putting out the CP.
The government knows the sites that get CP on them are usually not the culprits, its why 4chan has never been shutdown but instead frozen while they look through the posting history and shit to find the actual source.
The other are pictures of naked legally aged people who took the photos themselves and were obtained in an illegal way and just put on the internet.
Two completely different things.
Yes, let us compare leaked nudes to child porn and rape.
This incident was bad, but using rape analogies and comparing it to websites KNOWINGLY hosting child porn? Ridiculous.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46177914]One is a very illegal crime that is monitored heavily by the government and CP is really going to be done completely against the childs will, and the fact of making CP is harmful in itself. Sites that get CP put on them from outside sources, like say imgur, they dont just go after imgur, they work with them to fucking catch the people putting out the CP.
The government knows the sites that get CP on them are usually not the culprits, its why 4chan has never been shutdown but instead frozen while they look through the posting history and shit to find the actual source.
The other are pictures of naked legally aged people who took the photos themselves and were obtained in an illegal way and just put on the internet.
Two completely different things.[/QUOTE]
once again they weren't comparing the two things just the logic of the argument...
unless being "less illegal" exempts responsibility of the site owners to keep it away it doesn't matter how comparable the two illegal things are
[editline]8th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=arbio22;46177926]Yes, let us compare leaked nudes to child porn and rape.
This incident was bad, but using rape analogies and comparing it to websites KNOWINGLY hosting child porn? Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
nobody is doing those things
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46177938]once again they weren't comparing the two things just the logic of the argument...
unless being "less illegal" exempts responsibility of the site owners to keep it away it doesn't matter how comparable the two illegal things are[/QUOTE]
Site owners arent gonna be held accountable if its some random asshole who posts it is what im saying.
Also what law is there that says that the celebrity nude leaks are illegal pictures? CP are illegal pictures no matter what, thats my point. What is illegal about the leaked pictures, other than they were hacked.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46177951]Site owners arent gonna be held accountable if its some random asshole who posts it is what im saying.
Also what law is there that says that the celebrity nude leaks are illegal pictures? CP are illegal pictures no matter what, thats my point. What is illegal about the leaked pictures, other than they were hacked.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_porn#Legislation[/url]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46177977][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_porn#Legislation[/url][/QUOTE]
It sounds more like just some legislation, and only say 12 states really allow a chance at fighting it. The only concrete cases are the one about the actual revenge porn site that hosted an underage and was a hacker scheme. Everything else just says so far people have pursued, and 1 settled which isnt the same as losing a case.
So it doesnt seem like anything is actually illegal yet about the pictures, just that you can fight it, theres really nothing at all about the actual pictures. People are just now really fighting it so who knows, also the stuff about free speech also plays into this, it even says most courts wouldnt fight it because it can mess with free speech, plus theres more concrete law shit for the hosts of the images and really none yet for the victim.
Who knows, if they can find the hacker/s and tie them into something that where they can prove it was spread with the intent to ruin there image and revenge or whatever then it would probably be the big case that finally makes the laws, or the opposite and becomes some huge free speech thing or just a shitshow entirely.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46178084]It sounds more like just some legislation, and only say 12 states really allow a chance at fighting it. The only concrete cases are the one about the actual revenge porn site that hosted an underage and was a hacker scheme. Everything else just says so far people have pursued, and 1 settled which isnt the same as losing a case.
So it doesnt seem like anything is actually illegal yet about the pictures, just that you can fight it, theres really nothing at all about the actual pictures. People are just now really fighting it so who knows, also the stuff about free speech also plays into this, it even says most courts wouldnt fight it because it can mess with free speech, plus theres more concrete law shit for the hosts of the images and really none yet for the victim.
Who knows, if they can find the hacker/s and tie them into something that where they can prove it was spread with the intent to ruin there image and revenge or whatever then it would probably be the big case that finally makes the laws, or the opposite and becomes some huge free speech thing or just a shitshow entirely.[/QUOTE]
the copyright action seems successful
Alright, I'll admit that this was an embarrassing breach of privacy but most of the pornographic material out there is a result of a breach of privacy so I'm sick of everyone acting like "higher beings" because they didn't masturbate to Jennifer Lawrence.
If you're not watching strictly professional stuff, there's a good chance that you're jerking off to leaked nudes of some guy's ex.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46177951]Site owners arent gonna be held accountable if its some random asshole who posts it is what im saying.
Also what law is there that says that the celebrity nude leaks are illegal pictures? CP are illegal pictures no matter what, thats my point. What is illegal about the leaked pictures, other than they were hacked.[/QUOTE]
i think site owners shouldn't be held accountable unless they take no action to remove them or knowingly host them. the illegal thing is that they were acquired illegally
[QUOTE=Grindigo;46176537]I think it is a sex crime, hundreds of internet nerds wanked their jingles over this.[/QUOTE]
Implying lesbians, transsexuals, and bisexuals don't exist.
So, what, people sexually assaulted her by looking at her photos?
Gives a whole new meaning to the term eye-rape.
[QUOTE=Korova;46178111]Alright, I'll admit that this was an embarrassing breach of privacy but most of the pornographic material out there is a result of a breach of privacy so I'm sick of everyone acting like "higher beings" because they didn't masturbate to Jennifer Lawrence.
If you're not watching strictly professional stuff, there's a good chance that you're jerking off to leaked nudes of some guy's ex.[/QUOTE]
And maybe that entire problem needs to be addressed. All non-professional porn (?) really being leaked material is not okay at all.
Oh man, these celebs are so damn salty. Who gives a fuck whether it was their nudes that got leaked? People are people, there is nothing special about them. But hey, they're special snowflakes, so they MUST make a huge deal out of this.
Guess they'll just have to deal with the fact that they took a risk when they put the photos up on a cloud service. (it is the internet, after all, nothing is safe)
defending leaking nude images void of any kind of consent. awesome
[QUOTE=.Lain;46180124]defending leaking nude images void of any kind of consent. awesome[/QUOTE]
Where am I defending it? Both the leakers and the celebs are at fault; the celebs took a risk by uploading the pics on a cloud service, which is NOT safe, regardless of how many security measures are there, and the leakers, well, at fault for actually leaking the shit.
Keep your private stuff where it's meant to be - somewhere private, not in a somewhat private place which can be exploited and hacked into.
isn't the cloud backup automatic and done in a way that isn't readily apparent it's even turned on
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46180097]Oh man, these celebs are so damn salty. Who gives a fuck whether it was their nudes that got leaked? People are people, there is nothing special about them. But hey, they're special snowflakes, so they MUST make a huge deal out of this.
Guess they'll just have to deal with the fact that they took a risk when they put the photos up on a cloud service. (it is the internet, after all, nothing is safe)[/QUOTE]
So basically they had no expectation of privacy on the internet.
Guess the NSA is vindicated then.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46180146]Where am I defending it? Both the leakers and the celebs are at fault; the celebs took a risk by uploading the pics on a cloud service, which is NOT safe, regardless of how many security measures are there, and the leakers, well, at fault for actually leaking the shit.
Keep your private stuff where it's meant to be - somewhere private, not in a somewhat private place which can be exploited and hacked into.[/QUOTE]
victim blaming
[QUOTE=.Lain;46180213]victim blaming[/QUOTE]
So if I took a risk at a business, invested all my savings into it, then had it fail, it wouldn't be my fault that I took a risk at something? Would it be the money's fault? Or would it be the business' fault? Or would it be the customers fault because they didn't need my service?
If I bring something expensive that is also not necessary to have with me where I'm going, and have it stolen, it wouldn't be my fault?
Judging by your logic, anything a person does, and has it backfire in his face, is not his fault and he should never take responsibility for his actions.
[QUOTE=t h e;46179734]And maybe that entire problem needs to be addressed. All non-professional porn (?) really being leaked material is not okay at all.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but why does it take a celebrity's nudes to get leaked for anyone to care? This is a rampant issue, this isn't some niche group of women having their nudes leaked, but no one cared and no one was outraged, until now.
I would understand if this was some small issue and it happened to celebrities and it became an awareness thing but people were aware of this, including the government, the hosting companies and the ISPs.
What really pisses me off is 4chan in particular. I'm not against the DMCA system they've implemented but it took Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian and a couple celebrity nudes to get it implemented? You could email Moot and wait a year and not get a response but stop the presses when it happens to someone with more than a couple twitter followers and an actress instead of the teenage girls and housewives it usually happens to.
[editline]8th October 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=.Lain;46180213]victim blaming[/QUOTE]
Victim blaming is wrong but at some point, you need to take responsibility for your actions. Yeah, this wouldn't have happened if there wasn't an illegal breach of security but then again, this wouldn't have happened if iCloud wasn't uploading all these photos. Knowingly or not, it was still incredibly idiotic to do in a world where we're constantly reading about security breaches on a near daily basis. If you're [b]THAT[/b] high profile, maybe you should be taking nudes with a polaroid and physically handing them instead of doing anything digital. Yeah, it sucks but that's what happens when you're a celebrity.
We live in a culture where nearly everything about these celebrities are idolized, known, reported on and gossiped over. It's legal to stalk these people around as long as you have a camera and now we're going to draw the line?
Hacking people's nudes is objectively wrong, no one is arguing that. Calling people out for victim blaming doesn't invalidate the fact that there is a logical conclusion to be made that if event 1 didn't happen, event 2 wouldn't have happened as a result.
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