• Jennifer Lawrence claims the leak was a "sex crime"
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[QUOTE=Korova;46180235]Hacking people's nudes is objectively wrong, no one is arguing that. Calling people out for victim blaming doesn't invalidate the fact that there is a logical conclusion to be made that if event 1 didn't happen, event 2 wouldn't have happened as a result.[/QUOTE] This a billion times. Seems like everyone in here thinks that it's the leaker's fault that the celebs put the pics up there.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46180323]This a billion times. Seems like everyone in here thinks that it's the leaker's fault that the celebs put the pics up there.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I didn't want people to get from my post :v: There is no redemption for the leakers of this sort of material, they leaked the nudes. They're scum trying to make a quick buck by exploiting other people.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46176417]While I think this is true, I think that there is a bit of a double standard here. I mean, I'd prefer having someone steal my photos than having a bunch of creeps stalking me 24/7, but no one really gives a fuck about paparazzis.[/QUOTE] Both are despicable.
[QUOTE=Korova;46180358]This is exactly what I didn't want people to get from my post :v:[/QUOTE] Why not? It's the celebs' fault for putting private stuff like that on an exploitable service and it's the leaker's fault for being a shit person and leaking stuff. Both are at fault, both should take responsibility for their actions. (which the celebs don't want to do, because in their world, they're always victims of circumstance, and their actions bear no responsibility) [quote]There is no redemption for the leakers of this sort of material, they leaked the nudes. They're scum trying to make a quick buck by exploiting other people.[/quote] And there is noone trying to justify their actions, though if they did that for money (which is what I hear for the first time), then they're even bigger assholes.
[QUOTE=.Lain;46180213]victim blaming[/QUOTE] This has become yet another thing FP uses too much and has lost almost all meaning and that given a different context, it wouldn't be used at all because of double standards. But really, the best part about this, as I have said it a few times before, is that leaking nudes is apparently a sex crime and actually noteworthy when its about a celebrity/a bunch of celebrities. Fuck everyone else who's had their nudes released, who cares about that... BUT OH NO ITS JENNIFER LAWRENCE, START TRACKING IPS! It's a sex crime now! And we can forgive her completely for uploading nudes to a cloud service that apparently can be easily hacked. "Oh she shouldn't expect that to happen ever" Most stupid excuse ever. We live in an age where hackers run rampant. Where privacy is pretty much non-existant aswell. The slightest flaw on a device's security will make it compromised. And WHY you should expect this to happen to you? A- You're a celebrity. Theres a shitload of disgusting people who want to see you nude because MAI CELEBRITY WAIFU or whatever B- Like any safe, nothing is impossible to reach, given time and means C- this is more of a bonus to make it a high valued target, but still... You uploaded nudes to a CLOUD SERVICE, and probably THE MOST FAMOUS CLOUD SERVICE OF THEM ALL. "I got an idea, lets hack a cloud service. I wonder what we can get from there!" "Which one should we try to hack?" "Certainly not Apple's cloud service. It's not like more than half the world uses Apple smartphones or anything, right?" Said no one, ever. Don't get me wrong. I'm not apologizing for anyone and saying the leaking is alright, nor am I blaming them saying "its all their fault"... Except I am saying that it is partialy their fault, because it is. Why the hell would you put nudes of yourself in a cloud service? What the fuck man, keep them in your phone, don't upload them somewhere...
it is 0% Jennifer Lawrence's fault stop saying it is. That is literally victim blaming and victim blaming is terrible. Telling someone not to put their own private nude photos in a private place because they "might get hacked" is the same as saying "if she didn't want to get raped, she shouldn't have worn that dress! She was asking for it!". Same deal. It's the same mentality. It's blaming them for the crimes of others. "Didn't wanna get mugged? Shouldn't have worn a suit and fancy watch to show off your cash! You were practically [I]begging[/I] to get robbed!" Does that sound a bit silly? Cos that's the same thing as blaming Jennifer Lawrence for putting the pictures up. It's disgusting that people think girls should not be able to do things like put up pictures of themselves (privately!), or go out, or drink because they could get in trouble, then blame THEM for it. That is rape culture. That is normalising sexual abuse. You're saying "it happens, get used to it." You're saying "I mean, you knew the warnings! You know there are rapists out there, so it's your fault for going out to party in the first place, [I]not the fucking rapist's fault for raping you?????" [/I]​ Also it's definitely a sex crime and leaking anyone's nudes without their permission is still a sex crime. It's not that other leaks of random peope are [I]not[/I] crimes. It's that this draws more attention because in this case the people whose pictures have been illegally shared are celebrities with millions of fans. That doesn't mean leaking nudes of anyone else isn't still illegal.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46181579]it is 0% Jennifer Lawrence's fault stop saying it is. That is literally victim blaming and victim blaming is terrible. Telling someone not to put their own private photos in a private place because they "might get hacked" is EXACTLY the same as saying "if she didn't want to get raped, she shouldn't have worn that dress! She was asking for it!". Same deal. It's the same mentality. It's blaming them for the crimes of others. "Didn't wanna get mugged? Shouldn't have worn a suit and fancy watch to show off your cash! You were practically [I]begging[/I] to get robbed!"[/QUOTE] Worst comparison ever. Nobody's saying she was asking for it, what the fuck. What people ARE saying is that she shouldn't upload private stuff to something that can be hacked. It's not the "she's asking for it by doing X", its preventing herself ffs. It's not the same as "she was asking for it wearing that dress". That's just a stupid as fuck excuse from people who victim blame rape victims to give a reason for their crimes. Since when does wearing a skimpy dress = want to be raped? And what kind of idiot, celebrity or not, uploads nudes to anywhere on the internet? No, really, explain this to me. What kind of person does this in an age where you hear of security breaches in online services every other month? Who wears a fancy watch and suit in a bad part of a town aswell? Instead of throwing the "victim blame excuse" around, how about not doing stupid shit instead? Would you upload your sensitive information to the internet? Would you go to a bad part of town and flash your expensive things around?
[QUOTE=.Lain;46180213]victim blaming[/QUOTE] Not that I disagree, but this word has lost its meaning for me because it gets thrown around so much
"'I started to write an apology, but I don’t have anything to say I’m sorry for. I was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years. It was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.'" Jennifer Lawrence is the best.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46181746]Not that I disagree, but this word has lost its meaning for me because it gets thrown around so much[/QUOTE] except there's nothing ambiguous about the term "victim blaming"? it gets thrown around a lot because a great deal of people here have zero contact with reality and no capacity for empathy. i have literally never read a thread like this in SH that didn't have at least one socially stunted asshole trying to shift the blame from the perpetrators. just look at the amount of people who think it's peachy to be complicit in a massive breach of people's intimacy.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46180234]So if I took a risk at a business, invested all my savings into it, then had it fail, it wouldn't be my fault that I took a risk at something? Would it be the money's fault? Or would it be the business' fault? Or would it be the customers fault because they didn't need my service? [/QUOTE] Except you're comparing lightbulbs to oranges here. The logic in your post would be applicable to this: I'm working on some kind of exposed electronical circuitry, while having a cup of coffee next to me. I then accidentally tip the cup over, causing it's contents to fly all over whatever I'm working on. Does that mean the cup and/or the coffee is at fault here? No, it's my own fault for being stupid and clumsy. I don't think that kind of logic can be applied to what the thread is regarding, though. It would be more like: I'm working on some kind of exposed electronical circuitry, while having a cup of coffee next to me. Some random person then walks up to my desk, grabs the cup, and pours it's contents all over the circuitry. As I get angry at him, he sticks his fingers into his ears, and begins yelling "IT'S NOT MY FAULT, YOU HAD A CUP OF COFFEE THERE" over and over again.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46181955]except there's nothing ambiguous about the term "victim blaming"? it gets thrown around a lot because a great deal of people here have zero contact with reality and no capacity for empathy. i have literally never read a thread like this in SH that didn't have at least one socially stunted asshole trying to shift the blame from the perpetrators. just look at the amount of people who think it's peachy to be complicit in a massive breach of people's intimacy.[/QUOTE] Nobody is shifting blame from the perpetrators lol. What we are saying is that uploading your nudes to an online service isn't a good idea at all. Less witch hunt and finger pointing please.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46181684]Worst comparison ever. Nobody's saying she was asking for it, what the fuck. What people ARE saying is that she shouldn't upload private stuff to something that can be hacked. It's not the "she's asking for it by doing X", its preventing herself ffs. It's not the same as "she was asking for it wearing that dress". That's just a stupid as fuck excuse from people who victim blame rape victims to give a reason for their crimes. Since when does wearing a skimpy dress = want to be raped? And what kind of idiot, celebrity or not, uploads nudes to anywhere on the internet? No, really, explain this to me. What kind of person does this in an age where you hear of security breaches in online services every other month? Who wears a fancy watch and suit in a bad part of a town aswell? Instead of throwing the "victim blame excuse" around, how about not doing stupid shit instead? Would you upload your sensitive information to the internet? Would you go to a bad part of town and flash your expensive things around?[/QUOTE] People aren't saying "she was asking for it" literally but they are saying it's her fault the pictures got leaked because she put them up in the first place. They're saying that, by putting those photos up -PRIVATELY!! important that is was private! On an account that was not in public knowledge! So people did not know it existed! So someone tried pretty fucking hard to find her pictures!- she should have known they would get stolen, she should have expected it. [I]By putting them up, she was asking for them to be stolen because they were there just waiting for it.[/I] You don't have to spell it out for that to be what you mean. I don't see anything wrong with uploading your own stuff to your own private place online. It's a great way to access things from multiple platforms or whatever. I don't think it's fair to say that people shouldn't upload their own stuff in a way that makes it easier for them just in case people hack them... As I said, it's in their own private place. It's in a secure area run by one of the biggest computing companies in the world, you'd assume their security was top notch. And anyway I doubt Jennifer or anyone including the general populace who used Apple's cloud system felt the need to research the intricacies of Apple's security because it's not really something people generally worry about, same for me, as long as it's secure it's secure. Turns out it was not totally untouchable. But they had to like hack the shit out of it (idk how they did it or anything im no tech master lol) to get them. From a legal standpoint, they were secure. She shouldn't have to worry about people breaking the law to get her own private shit because it shouldn't happen. It's not Jennifer Lawrence (or anyone in this leak, or anyone at all who has ever got hacked)'s fault for being hacked, its' the hacker's fault for doing it [I]every time.[/I] It IS the same concept as blaming a girl for asking for it. It's the "she got raped? Well, what was she wearing?" thing. Shifting the blame to the victim for something she might have done that really doesn't justify her assault at all. Putting the pictures up on her cloud is not an invitation for strangers to steal them. Putting your merchandise on the shelf in your shop is not an invitation for thiefs to walk in and take them. In fact, in this case, it's more, holding your stock in a vault is not an invitation for a criminal to break in past your security system and steal your shit. It's not her fault. I'll throw around victim blaming because victim blaming is exactly what's happening. I would upload stuff online if I thought it was secure, which Apple's cloud was meant to be. Apple's cloud is not the bad part of town. [editline]8th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46182054]Nobody is shifting blame from the perpetrators lol. What we are saying is that uploading your nudes to an online service isn't a good idea at all. Less witch hunt and finger pointing please.[/QUOTE] blaming jlaw=shifting the blame
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;46180158]isn't the cloud backup automatic and done in a way that isn't readily apparent it's even turned on[/QUOTE] iirc it's yes and no. iCloud requires you to sign in on your Apple ID where you can decide what gets backed up and what doesn't then you have to enable Storage and Backup after you sign in within another menu in iCloud settings. From there it's automated. Once you're signed in, every time you connect to WiFi your iPhone/iPad will automatically sync with iCloud if iCloud Backup is enabled.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;46181579]it is 0% Jennifer Lawrence's fault stop saying it is. That is literally victim blaming and victim blaming is terrible. Telling someone not to put their own private nude photos in a private place because they "might get hacked" is the same as saying "if she didn't want to get raped, she shouldn't have worn that dress! She was asking for it!". Same deal. It's the same mentality. It's blaming them for the crimes of others. "Didn't wanna get mugged? Shouldn't have worn a suit and fancy watch to show off your cash! You were practically [I]begging[/I] to get robbed!" Does that sound a bit silly? Cos that's the same thing as blaming Jennifer Lawrence for putting the pictures up. It's disgusting that people think girls should not be able to do things like put up pictures of themselves (privately!), or go out, or drink because they could get in trouble, then blame THEM for it. That is rape culture. That is normalising sexual abuse. You're saying "it happens, get used to it." You're saying "I mean, you knew the warnings! You know there are rapists out there, so it's your fault for going out to party in the first place, [I]not the fucking rapist's fault for raping you?????" [/I]​ Also it's definitely a sex crime and leaking anyone's nudes without their permission is still a sex crime. It's not that other leaks of random peope are [I]not[/I] crimes. It's that this draws more attention because in this case the people whose pictures have been illegally shared are celebrities with millions of fans. That doesn't mean leaking nudes of anyone else isn't still illegal.[/QUOTE] lol 'sex crime' where is the sex in this crime? the only crime here is hacking. what if the hacker hacked all of her personal info and leaked it, is that a sex crime? there's no difference, only that the reaction is 'oh no people saw my naughty bits' instead of 'oh no people know where i live'
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46180409]Why not? It's the celebs' fault for putting private stuff like that on an exploitable service and it's the leaker's fault for being a shit person and leaking stuff. Both are at fault, both should take responsibility for their actions. (which the celebs don't want to do, because in their world, they're always victims of circumstance, and their actions bear no responsibility) And there is noone trying to justify their actions, though if they did that for money (which is what I hear for the first time), then they're even bigger assholes.[/QUOTE] so you just kind of expect everyone to know that you shouldn't put your pics on iCloud because it could be leaked
[QUOTE=Shortyish;46182105]lol 'sex crime' where is the sex in this crime? the only crime here is hacking. what if the hacker hacked all of her personal info and leaked it, is that a sex crime? there's no difference, only that the reaction is 'oh no people saw my naughty bits' instead of 'oh no people know where i live'[/QUOTE] I see your point, whether it falls under "sex crime" is grey here (idk the legal definition of it) but I think the point was it's not a "scandal" it's a crime.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46180234]So if I took a risk at a business, invested all my savings into it, then had it fail, it wouldn't be my fault that I took a risk at something? Would it be the money's fault? Or would it be the business' fault? Or would it be the customers fault because they didn't need my service? If I bring something expensive that is also not necessary to have with me where I'm going, and have it stolen, it wouldn't be my fault? Judging by your logic, anything a person does, and has it backfire in his face, is not his fault and he should never take responsibility for his actions.[/QUOTE]Go argue in court that the victim should take some of the blame for you stealing their stuff, because it wasn't secured well enough; see how far that gets you.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;46182123]so you just kind of expect everyone to know that you shouldn't put your pics on iCloud because it could be leaked[/QUOTE] No, let this be a lesson for them (fucking hell, why are you even asking, it's common knowledge that the internet is [b]not[/b] known for privacy). Considering the scope of this scandal, all celebs should know about this and, from now on, be a little bit concerned about putting nudes or other very private stuff on a cloud service. If leaks keep happening after this whole thing, then there's only 1 conclusion that can be made about celebs that are affected by them: they're fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;46181955]except there's nothing ambiguous about the term "victim blaming"? it gets thrown around a lot because a great deal of people here have zero contact with reality and no capacity for empathy. i have literally never read a thread like this in SH that didn't have at least one socially stunted asshole trying to shift the blame from the perpetrators. just look at the amount of people who think it's peachy to be complicit in a massive breach of people's intimacy.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing against that, just that it gets said so often that it's losing its meaning for me. Similar to feminism, misogyny, and gamer. It's becoming a catch all word.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;46182188]Go argue in court that the victim should take some of the blame for you stealing their stuff, because it wasn't secured well enough; see how far that gets you.[/QUOTE] Haha oh wow, no shit? I don't disagree that the leaker should be punished for it, quite the opposite, I agree with it. However I am also stating that if the celebs hadn't put the nudes up in the first place, this thing would not have happened. Person 1 does thing 1 Person 2 does thing 2 thanks to thing 1. If person 1 had not done thing 1, thing 2 would not have happened. (or at least would not have affected person 1) Is it really that hard to grasp, or are you seeing red because I have a different mindset about all this?
[quote]blaming jlaw=shifting the blame People aren't saying "she was asking for it" literally but they are saying it's her fault the pictures got leaked because she put them up in the first place.[/QUOTE] Because you can't blame 2 people for an event apparently... Would it have happened if she didn't upload them? No. Seriously, why would you do that? [quote]They're saying that, by putting those photos up -PRIVATELY!! important that is was private! On an account that was not in public knowledge! So people did not know it existed! So someone tried pretty fucking hard to find her pictures!- she should have known they would get stolen, she should have expected it. By putting them up, she was asking for them to be stolen because they were there just waiting for it.[/quote] No they didn't. She wasn't the only target of the leak, because she wasn't a specific target to begin with. The hacker released nudes of various celebrities which he found on the cloud service. The hacker's target was most likely to hack the cloud service that was bound to have something valuable in it. What she COULD have expected is for something she [b]uploaded[/b] to a [b]famous cloud service[/b] to be leaked because uploading sensitive stuff of yourself to the internet by itself is already a very dangerous thing to do, and because the sheer fame of the cloud service COULD lead to it getting hacked and having some of its important files revealed. She wasn't asking for them to be stolen, she was placing her pictures in a very bad place. WHY would you store nudes of yourself on an ONLINE STORAGE is beyond thought. [quote]I don't see anything wrong with uploading your own stuff to your own private place online. It's a great way to access things from multiple platforms or whatever. I don't think it's fair to say that people shouldn't upload their own stuff in a way that makes it easier for them just in case people hack them... As I said, it's in their own private place. It's in a secure area run by one of the biggest computing companies in the world, you'd assume their security was top notch. And anyway I doubt Jennifer or anyone including the general populace who used Apple's cloud system felt the need to research the intricacies of Apple's security because it's not really something people generally worry about, same for me, as long as it's secure it's secure. Turns out it was not totally untouchable. But they had to like hack the shit out of it (idk how they did it or anything im no tech master lol) to get them. From a legal standpoint, they were secure. She shouldn't have to worry about people breaking the law to get her own private shit because it shouldn't happen. It's not Jennifer Lawrence (or anyone in this leak, or anyone at all who has ever got hacked)'s fault for being hacked, its' the hacker's fault for doing it every time.[/quote] Rule no1, no security system is flawless, seen by what happened here. You can't trust security 100%. Not only did Apple's cloud service got hacked, Valve also got hacked iirc a week ago or so. Loads of people and companies are getting hacked nowadays. And those are nude pics. Just... why the HELL would you store your NUDES on an online storage? That's the dumbest idea ever. Keep your nudes in a place you know no one could get them, no matter who you are. Ofc its the hacker's fault. Nobody is saying it isn't. But the fact that he found the pictures in there just goes to show the big mistake it is to put such sensitive things about yourself on the internet, as anyone should know. [quote]It IS the same concept as blaming a girl for asking for it. It's the "she got raped? Well, what was she wearing?" thing. Shifting the blame to the victim for something she might have done that really doesn't justify her assault at all. Putting the pictures up on her cloud is not an invitation for strangers to steal them. Putting your merchandise on the shelf in your shop is not an invitation for thiefs to walk in and take them. In fact, in this case, it's more, holding your stock in a vault is not an invitation for a criminal to break in past your security system and steal your shit. It's not her fault.[/quote] Since when does wearing X mean asking to get raped? That's just a stupid reason people give to reason rape crimes and shift the full blame to someone else in rape cases that seem not so black and white at first glance. This is where everyone of you gets it wrong. It's not "making it an invitation to have it stolen", its giving it possibilities to be stolen. Precautions over remedies. One good precaution is to not upload sensitive information about yourself to a place where it can be stolen. That's just stupid in this day and age. For fuck sakes, most security tips revolve around that.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46182253]Haha oh wow, no shit? I don't disagree that the leaker should be punished for it, quite the opposite, I agree with it. However I am also stating that if the celebs hadn't put the nudes up in the first place, this thing would not have happened. Person 1 does thing 1 Person 2 does thing 2 thanks thing 1. If person 1 had not done thing 1, thing 2 would not have happened. (or at least would not have affected person 1) Is it really that hard to grasp, or are you seeing red because I have a different mindset about all this?[/QUOTE]Was referring specifically to "If I bring something expensive that is also not necessary to have with me where I'm going, and have it stolen, it wouldn't be my fault?", which is an absolutely ridiculous notion. The person taking their expensive thing along did not do anything illegal at all. The person stealing it did. A fairly simple concept.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;46182123]so you just kind of expect everyone to know that you shouldn't put your pics on iCloud because it could be leaked[/QUOTE] Pics? No. Nude pics however? Yes.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46182218]No, let this be a lesson for them (fucking hell, why are you even asking, it's common knowledge that the internet is [b]not[/b] known for privacy). Considering the scope of this scandal, all celebs should know about this and, from now on, be a little bit concerned about putting nudes or other very private stuff on a cloud service. If leaks keep happening after this whole thing, then there's only 1 conclusion that can be made about them: they're fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] This would be a great fucking point, if it wasn't for the fact iCloud is meant to be safe, private and even claims this on the fucking "about" page. The Internet is not some "wild west but with computers", privacy is something you can obtain and maintain on here, to say that anything you transferred over the Internet is fair game when it gets hacked is fucking atrocious. If the people involved in this really want money, they should take it up with Apple, who were claiming their service is secure, well, looks like it isn't that secure Apple!
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;46182283]Was referring specifically to "If I bring something expensive that is also not necessary to have with me where I'm going, and have it stolen, it wouldn't be my fault?", which is an absolutely ridiculous notion. The person taking their expensive thing along did not do anything illegal at all. The person stealing it did. A fairly simple concept.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I guess that specific part was not a very good analogue.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;46182219]I'm not arguing against that, just that it gets said so often that it's losing its meaning for me. Similar to feminism, misogyny, and gamer. It's becoming a catch all word.[/QUOTE] This seems more like a problem with you than the words tbh. All of those words (well except "gamer", because pissy nerds don't agree with each other often it seems) have very strong definitions and are rarely used incorrectly on here. The only people I see using them incorrectly tend to be fucking tools trying to stir shit up or people who don't understand them yet. Mostly the former.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;46182295]This would be a great fucking point, [b]if it wasn't for the fact iCloud is meant to be safe, private and even claims this on the fucking "about" page[/b]. The Internet is not some "wild west but with computers", privacy is something you can obtain and maintain on here, to say that anything you transferred over the Internet is fair game when it gets hacked is fucking atrocious. If the people involved in this really want money, they should take it up with Apple, who were claiming their service is secure, well, looks like it isn't that secure Apple![/QUOTE] Guess it's not really [i]that[/i] safe, then. And in any case, I wouldn't put private shit like nudes on a cloud service if I were in their shoes, but oh well.
[QUOTE=LEETNOOB;46182253]Haha oh wow, no shit? I don't disagree that the leaker should be punished for it, quite the opposite, I agree with it. However I am also stating that if the celebs hadn't put the nudes up in the first place, this thing would not have happened. Person 1 does thing 1 Person 2 does thing 2 thanks to thing 1. If person 1 had not done thing 1, thing 2 would not have happened. (or at least would not have affected person 1) Is it really that hard to grasp, or are you seeing red because I have a different mindset about all this?[/QUOTE] You haven't taken your daily dose of "poor poor jennifer OJ" I'm willing to be that if this happened to someone else not related to the victims, this would be showered in "should had seen it coming" [editline]8th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;46182283]Was referring specifically to "If I bring something expensive that is also not necessary to have with me where I'm going, and have it stolen, it wouldn't be my fault?", which is an absolutely ridiculous notion. The person taking their expensive thing along did not do anything illegal at all. The person stealing it did. A fairly simple concept.[/QUOTE] That's why you take care of said thing and double efforts to not have it stolen. Uploading nudes to a cloud service isn't that.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46182315]You haven't taken your daily dose of "poor poor jennifer OJ" I'm willing to be that if this happened to someone else [b]not related to the victims[/b], this would be showered in "should had seen it coming"[/QUOTE] More like if this would have happened to anyone that isn't a celeb, but yes, I agree completely.
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