Press freedom? Police target media, arrest and teargas reporters at Ferguson protests - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45705230]*some people. Other's have been nicely brutalized by the police. But keep thinking that it's better for everyone for the police to have the "air of superiority" about them.[/QUOTE]That is so irrelevant to what I said, are you even trying? Honestly, I'm pretty sure you don't care what is right or wrong in this. It been made evident enough at this point with your insistence on repeating the same few bits of rhetoric and refusal to properly acknowledge the points of others.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45705265]Very well, then you can go back to rate spamming everything that I say dumb instead of actually retorting.[/QUOTE]I already did. And you gave a predictably crap response, then edited in a little more than still had nothing to do with what I said and lacked in context and is best described as going "Hey look at this shiny thing!"

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45705230]I think it's fine that they buy MP5's; they should just have to file a form 4 and wait 6-12 months; or however long it takes for the ATF to approve said form 4. They should also have to purchase them from a dealer and not from a manufacturer, and should only be able to purchase weapons made/registered before the 1986 ban was implemented. Or the ATF could re-open the machine gun registry, and make it legal for civilians to own a modern machine gun again, provided the register it.[/QUOTE] So you want Police to be limited to pistols and hunting rifles/shotguns just because you can't walk into wal-mart and walk out with a machine gun?

[QUOTE=deadoon;45705106]So you want to gimp the police force to using worse equipment than civilians? You can go out and buy the very same armor they are using online(except for Connecticut I think), the vehicles are not exactly restricted either, the manufacturers just don't sell to normal citizens usually. The FBI are a federal institution, designed for larger scale crimes than local incidents, leaving them as the heavier swat option further makes them a required local presence.(they are not everywhere you know) The Ar platform is cheap, lightweight, and accurate, if they need to shoot at something farther or reliably stand someone down from a distance, they have both the range and the power to do so. A shotgun is limited to close range and does not have the AP capability an AR does. Having your first responder able to deal with a wider variety of situation is always better in my opinion. Yes a shotgun would be better in the situation, but think for a moment, how many more situations would a rifle be better in? The only things that a Shotgun has is less than lethal loads(which are in specific shotguns mind you and still can do a whole hell of a lot of damage) and overall wide spread damage at range. A better less lethal weapon would be a pepper ball gun. AKA a paintball gun with special shots. Limited bruising, limited physical damage, lighter weight and semi/fully automatic.[/QUOTE] I went through the effort of quoting everything I said into points to show you I already addressed them before, but you either haven't read them or are just trolling, so doing that won't do any good. You clearly think that having the AR platform in the middle of a riot or protest situation is a good idea, which history has shown is a terrible idea. I also think that police are over equipped and under trained; so giving them even more hardware really isn't a good thing. The only time a police force (even before the massive "militarization" of it happened) would really need it is if there was an absolutely massive massive shootout, in which the FBI or NG would be brought in, anything else can be handled by what the police have already had for a long time. I'm not going to play this "So they should just not have weapons?" "So they should only have pistols" "So they should all just give up" "So police are pointless?" game, I've stated my argument, you've yet to state good reasons for police having massive amounts of armaments and anti-IED vehicles, at least beyond "But it's SURPLUS!". which hardly stands, let's just give police .50 AMRs, hand grenades (Because you know, there might be a shootout where you need one), and let's throw in a couple free Javelins; you never know when there might be a crazed gunman inside an armoured vehicle shooting people with his MP5!

Jesus christ, the MRAP just happens to be fucking IED proof, but at its' core its still just an armored transport. The only reason you guys say that shit is to make it seem much more serious than it is while applying the world's worst theory, the slippery slope theory oh "eventually cops will have hand grenades and 50 cal machine guns". You want less "militarization" but yet allow people to own guns that force the law to be better armed against said people. Look at London, their police dont use kevlar or rifiles or even handguns because they dont have to fear about someone pulling out a shotgun and blasting them away during a riot.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;45705537]Jesus christ, the MRAP just happens to be fucking IED proof, but at its' core its still just an armored transport. The only reason you guys say that shit is to make it seem much more serious than it is while applying the world's worst theory, the slippery slope theory oh "eventually cops will have hand grenades and 50 cal machine guns". You want less "militarization" but yet allow people to own guns that force the law to be better armed against said people. Look at London, their police dont use kevlar or rifiles or even handguns because they dont have to fear about someone pulling out a shotgun and blasting them away during a riot.[/QUOTE] slippery slope indeed next thing we know we'll have sheriffs running around with artillery pieces doing stupid [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1072814"]stunts[/URL]. anyways MRAPS are good and all and they just mean a category of vehicles. hell some bearcats technically qualify as MRAPS, so that make cherokee SWAT have MRAPS. i honestly didnt think people would be outraged about the equipment but more so instead about how the equipment is implemented.

[QUOTE=Wipmuck;45694971]When they come free from the government, I wouldn't say no to something that will save officers lives.[/QUOTE] Theyr not free, its tax dollars...

[QUOTE=SexualShark;45694924]if you are overstocked you dont give it to local police departments- you dismantle, store it, or sell it off to an ally.[/QUOTE] I read that last bit as "sell it in an alley" and got confused. "Hey buddy, you wanna buy a watch or maybe a surplus MRAP?"

[QUOTE=Madtoker;45709125]Theyr not free, its tax dollars...[/QUOTE] Which go to the Military, which would have gotten them anyway.

[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;45705601]slippery slope indeed next thing we know we'll have sheriffs running around with artillery pieces doing stupid [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1072814"]stunts[/URL]. anyways MRAPS are good and all and they just mean a category of vehicles. hell some bearcats technically qualify as MRAPS, so that make cherokee SWAT have MRAPS. i honestly didnt think people would be outraged about the equipment but more so instead about how the equipment is implemented.[/QUOTE] Never link to Sheriff Joe Arpaio.when discussing equipment

[QUOTE=Code3Response;45709778]Never link to Sheriff Joe Arpaio.when discussing equipment[/QUOTE] Why? Isn't he a perfect example of what happens when you over-equip something?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45709790]Why? Isn't he a perfect example of what happens when you over-equip something?[/QUOTE] no? He owns a fucking tank. A [I]tank[/I]. People dont understand is that its cheaper for a police station to get a MRAP than it is a Bearcat because the military will sell them the MRAP for $1.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;45709902]no? He owns a fucking tank. A [I]tank[/I]. People dont understand is that its cheaper for a police station to get a MRAP than it is a Bearcat because the military will sell them the MRAP for $1.[/QUOTE] well technically a self propelled howitzer not a tank, but the main point that i linked it is that the current state of the surplus program doesn't have much sense in the fact that they let sheriffs buy what they damn please. sure an M109 paladin would make a great battering ram but then again so would any MRAP, IFV, APC, or CEV and at least those have use of transporting cops. yeah, i know arpaio is an idiot any is most likely the only sheriff in the country to have bought an M109 but it's better off if they just keep stuff like the M109 and M1 only for allies to buy. now that being said from knowing the surplus program we're talking about free equipment where the only cost is that of the delivery, so anyone with the tax dollar arguement should be happier their sheriff's office are getting a $5,000 MRAP vs a $300,000 Bearcat that many cops would rather but dont want to waste money on.

Plus Arpaio's M109 was just a publicity stunt, the gun doesn't actually work.