Israeli airstrike kills Hama's Leaders wife and child. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Monkah;45752721]Source? I'm interested. [editline]20th August 2014[/editline] I'd rather see a wife and a kid dead as opposed to five hundred more casualties in an attempt to get rid of the guy.[/QUOTE] There will be a lot more casualties, and again, most will be innocent just as the wife and kid.

[QUOTE=Persious;45752880]There will be a lot more casualties, and again, most will be innocent just as the wife and kid.[/QUOTE]In my eyes, it's like asking if you'd kill Hitler's parents before he was born. They'd be innocent, but it'd save so many lives as a result, that it might just be the best way to end things.

I wonder who woke up in the morning and said 'Hey! You know what would be a GREAT idea?!' This was my 5,000th post. I am quite disappointed.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;45752976]I wonder who woke up in the morning and said 'Hey! You know what would be a GREAT idea?!'[/QUOTE] you have a dangerously simplistic understanding of warfare

[QUOTE=Bradyns;45752976]I wonder who woke up in the morning and said 'Hey! You know what would be a GREAT idea?!'[/QUOTE] [quote]It is believed the air strike on a house in Gaza City late on Tuesday that killed Mohammed Deif's wife and their young son was intended to kill the militant himself[/quote] If it means putting an end to the war and potentially saving the lives of thousands, I'm all for it.

[QUOTE=DowntownTiger;45752339]i dont think youd like it if isreal bombed your wife and kid in an attempt to kill u for things u did[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Persious;45752537] So you support killing innocent people?[/QUOTE] he put them in harms way with his actions. the fact that this happened to his wife and child was nobody's fault but his own

[QUOTE=Monkah;45753018]If it means putting an end to the war and potentially saving the lives of thousands, I'm all for it.[/QUOTE] So do they do the same to the next commander ad infinitum?

[QUOTE=Monkah;45753018]If it means putting an end to the war and potentially saving the lives of thousands, I'm all for it.[/QUOTE] Somehow I doubt it had any positive long term effect whatsoever

[QUOTE=Monkah;45752975]In my eyes, it's like asking if you'd kill Hitler's parents before he was born. They'd be innocent, but it'd save so many lives as a result, that it might just be the best way to end things.[/QUOTE] Or could just go back in time and convince Hitlers mom to have an abortion.

[QUOTE=AJ10017;45753126]he put them in harms way with his actions. the fact that this happened to his wife and child was [B]nobody's fault but his own[/B][/QUOTE] But how does being in harms way due to [B]someone else's[/B] actions somehow make it "winner" or a good thing that they're dead. There is absolutely nothing good about a child being killed, you were attempting to answer why it was a good thing and was being rated winner. [QUOTE=AJ10017;45752303]because it was the wife and child of a terrorist leader hell bent on trying to take down a whole country?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=joshuadim;45751871][IMG]http://puu.sh/b11UD/f9db976842.png[/IMG] you people disgust me How could you be HAPPY at the fact that a women and her child was killed?[/QUOTE] And you disgust me, because you're a dumbass. This is actually good news, if you take a utilitarian approach. Yes, some innocents died here, but the leader of a terrorist organization also, who is dead set on creating martyrs and carrying out killings on innocents also. This most likely saved more people than it lost. But yeah most people are going to take this headline on face value because of innocent deaths.

This would be like USA nuking IRAQ or IRAN to find Osama Bin Laden

[QUOTE=UnseeNova;45755109]This would be like USA nuking IRAQ or IRAN to find Osama Bin Laden[/QUOTE] That's a bit of a fucking stretch

[QUOTE=Azza;45755082]And you disgust me, because you're a dumbass. This is actually good news, if you take a utilitarian approach. Yes, some innocents died here, but the leader of a terrorist organization also, who is dead set on creating martyrs and carrying out killings on innocents also. This most likely saved more people than it lost. But yeah most people are going to take this headline on face value because of innocent deaths.[/QUOTE] But he wasn't killed though, only his family.

[QUOTE=UnseeNova;45755109]This would be like USA nuking IRAQ or IRAN to find Osama Bin Laden[/QUOTE] It's more like the US hitting a suspected site Osama Bin Laden was hiding in with a precision airstrike and killing one of his wives instead.

[QUOTE=Monkah;45752975]In my eyes, it's like asking if you'd kill Hitler's parents before he was born. They'd be innocent, but it'd save so many lives as a result, that it might just be the best way to end things.[/QUOTE] Yeah because Hitler was the only person in Germany at the time who had a genocidal hatred of Jews.

[QUOTE=Azza;45755082]And you disgust me, because you're a dumbass. This is actually good news, if you take a utilitarian approach. Yes, some innocents died here, but the leader of a terrorist organization also, who is dead set on creating martyrs and carrying out killings on innocents also. This most likely saved more people than it lost. But yeah most people are going to take this headline on face value because of innocent deaths.[/QUOTE] Too bad he didn't die though...

[QUOTE=Azza;45755082]And you disgust me, because you're a dumbass. This is actually good news, if you take a utilitarian approach. Yes, some innocents died here, but the leader of a terrorist organization also, who is dead set on creating martyrs and carrying out killings on innocents also. This most likely saved more people than it lost. But yeah most people are going to take this headline on face value because of innocent deaths.[/QUOTE] Not only did he not die but even if he did, [B]the only thing we ever said was wrong was to celebrate the death of a woman and child un-involved.[/B]

[QUOTE=Azza;45755082]And you disgust me, because you're a dumbass. This is actually good news, if you take a utilitarian approach. Yes, some innocents died here, but the leader of a terrorist organization also, who is dead set on creating martyrs and carrying out killings on innocents also. This most likely saved more people than it lost. But yeah most people are going to take this headline on face value because of innocent deaths.[/QUOTE] Not only is it great how indignant you are about people being upset that innocent people died, but you're also making the hilarious mistake of assuming that a leader of an organisation is some deity with powers while in reality he's utterly replaceable and will likely be replaced by someone with a now far more zealous approach. Unless you want to eliminate Palestinians you cannot simply stop Hamas by murdering off every single guy you find.

The jury is still out on whether Deif survived, but a followup strike killed [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-says-three-top-gaza-commanders-killed-israeli-061358486.html"]three more Hamas commanders[/URL].

[QUOTE=Azza;45755082]And you disgust me, because you're a dumbass. This is actually good news, if you take a utilitarian approach. Yes, some innocents died here, but the leader of a terrorist organization also, who is dead set on creating martyrs and carrying out killings on innocents also. This most likely saved more people than it lost. But yeah most people are going to take this headline on face value because of innocent deaths.[/QUOTE] You should read the article. The terrorist leader didn't die.

[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45755307]Not only is it great how indignant you are about people being upset that innocent people died, but you're also making the hilarious mistake of assuming that a leader of an organisation is some deity with powers while in reality he's utterly replaceable and will likely be replaced by someone with a now far more zealous approach. Unless you want to eliminate Palestinians you cannot simply stop Hamas by murdering off every single guy you find.[/QUOTE] As was said here already, assassinating Hamas leaders is actually a very effective way of causing Hamas quite pain and lowering their organization, thus reducing their capabilities of launching terror attacks of any kind. Also, the person won't "just be replaced by the next one", because this dude has been leading the Hamas' fighting brigades for quite a few years. He has some experience and removing him will be a powerful blow to Hamas, even if he will just be replaced with a new, inexperienced leader. It is unfortunate that his wife and child were killed, but in the end it's a decision the Israeli government had to make. I don't know what were their other possibilities, but I'm guessing that this was one of the few opportunities where he was near as few people as possible, and also vulnerable to attack, so they took it. Even if I don't agree with this kind of attack, I can understand it, as the Israeli government's prime concern is the safety of their civilians, and eliminating terrorist leaders is one of the most efficient ways to do ensure that.

its not efficient if it didn't work

[QUOTE=Gentry;45759286]its not efficient if it didn't work[/QUOTE] Again, that depends. Dief has already lost an eye, a few limbs and possibly suffered some serious head injuries in previous assassination attempts. Any additional injuries, even if he survives them, would probably render him pretty ineffective as a leader. That's not the likely case, though. Either he was in the building, in which case he's positively dead as the building was utterly destroyed, or he wasn't there and he's still alive. Hamas now claims it's the latter, but haven't shown any proof of that. You'd think it would be important for them to let Gazans know their highest ranking military leader is alive, but whatever. Israel for its part isn't saying anything, though unofficially they're leaking there's a very high chance he died. There were also some initial tells like him appearing in a Palestinian casualty lists, and Hamas media referring to him as a martyr a few times. But we don't know. We'll probably find out in a few days.

[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45755231]Yeah because Hitler was the only person in Germany at the time who had a genocidal hatred of Jews.[/QUOTE]No, and there are multiple people in Hamas with a hatred for Israel. However, destabilizing them by getting rid of their leader of several years is likely going to be effective.

[QUOTE=coldroll5;45754438]Or could just go back in time and convince Hitlers mom to have an abortion.[/QUOTE] Or tell Hitler that he was a pretty good painter and to keep on going.