Wikileaks releases 9Gb of Macron emails - currently being analyzed
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I don't know why, but I have this feeling that LePen received some insight on the leak prior the release.
Especially because of her comment :
"J’espère que l’on n’apprendra pas que vous avez un compte offshore aux Bahamas"
(I'm shit at translating, but she's basically saying "Hope we doesn't find an offshore account in the Bahamas"
And surprise, this happen right after that.
I have a feeling of Deja-vu.
[note : I'm not accusing her directly, but I don't really believe in coincidence after all those email leaks in America].
At least it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be a full investigation into Russian interference after the election
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52191662]At least it's pretty much guaranteed that there will be a full investigation into Russian interference after the election[/QUOTE]
lol no there won't be if Le Pen wins.
why is there never anything for the other side? :thinking: I wonder how many still think wikileaks is neutral.
[QUOTE=soullink;52191653]I don't know why, but I have this feeling that LePen received some insight on the leak prior the release.
Especially because of her comment :
"J’espère que l’on n’apprendra pas que vous avez un compte offshore aux Bahamas"
(I'm shit at translating, but she's basically saying "Hope we doesn't find an offshore account in the Bahamas"
And surprise, this happen right after that.
I have a feeling of Deja-vu.
[note : I'm not accusing her directly, but I don't really believe in coincidence after all those email leaks in America].[/QUOTE]
Because The_Donald and /Pol/ Spammed it to her.
[QUOTE=1239the;52191669]lol no there won't be if Le Pen wins.[/QUOTE]
Even if Le Pen wins, the Front National is expected to remain largely locked out of Parliament - which [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Parliament#Organization_and_powers]has its own investigative powers[/url] and would presumably be united in wanting to look into this if it caused Le Pen to win.
[QUOTE=Naught;52191676]why is there never anything for the other side? :thinking: I wonder how many still think wikileaks is neutral.[/QUOTE]
Or worse, how many simply don't care because "hue lierbruls BTFO".
The influence Wikileaks has, and the strangely consistent timing with releases of specific information is more than just coincidence. It goes against the initial purpose of the group as well after all, if they had this info and were behaving it would have been released fairly quickly. Likely with a bit of curation to ensure actual junk is omitted because it's a waste of storage.
How [I]convenient[/I]. Hope the French people won't fall for such blatant manipulation.
[QUOTE=Naught;52191676]why is there never anything for the other side? :thinking: I wonder how many still think wikileaks is neutral.[/QUOTE]
I'm more upset that now politics amounts to a Schrodinger's corruption case. The fact that they have released this might become significant, I suppose we can only wait to see, but this seems just another case of people choosing based on the fact that one of the two are demonstrably worse than the others. Why are we assuming either side is clean? Even if we aren't, it seems we can't blame voters automatically for reacting to currently available information. (Assuming this follows the pattern of wikileaks releases and isn't fraudulent, even partially.)
Lol most of the stuff that they got with Clinton came from Russia's hacking groups APT29 and APT28. They've basically just been getting it from cut-outs and being Wikileaks they just release shit without any curation or thought of the implications because they're morons.
There is a Poll out there now that Le Pen wil get 39% of the Vote, but a Majority still doesn't Trust Macron.
Yeah no, the US election had the benefit of the doubt since there was no precedent but this is getting really coincidental now.
[QUOTE=1239the;52191636][media]https://twitter.com/NPRKelly/status/860621148794605569[/media][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't put it past them to have done the same with Clinton/DNC email dumps. And they can't confirm or deny anything, so it's win-win for Russians to lie amidst truths in leaks.
It's really scary the era we're entering.
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We've truly left the information age and entered the disinformation age.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52191743]There is a Poll out there now that Le Pen wil get 39% of the Vote, but a Majority still doesn't Trust Macron.[/QUOTE]
IPSOS says 37%.
[QUOTE=RB33;52191525]It's only the day before, so the impact will be minimal. But still is this going to be the new standard?[/QUOTE]
That's another thing, by releasing so much information right before, there's probably not enough time to actually verify and validate everything and people will of course assume that because there's been a leak of Macron stuff, that means there's bad stuff about Macron in there even if there isn't, people automatically assume that leaks entail bad stuff in them about the person being leaked, shit doesn't need to be verified to be damaging.
[QUOTE=windwakr;52191786]Can the title be changed? Wikileaks didn't release this, they just tweeted about it. There's a lot of people posting in this thread without looking past the title.[/QUOTE]
This is pretty important. The fact that it does not carry the Wikileaks standard of quality can give credence to macrons claims of disinformation.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52191836]Is there a Wikileaks standard of quality? Wikileaks is a garbage dealer, they'll publish and spread anything. Nobody makes them spread these things, so they are as responsible as they had published it themselves.[/QUOTE]
Point to a wikileaks release that was found to be fraudulent. This does not mean that it was obtained by people with interests, or that the releases serve those same people, but rather that they were FALSE. This is what I am saying. From what I remember, whatever else you can say about wikileaks, they don't publish falsities.
[URL=http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/04/23/media-blackout-ahead-french-election]Apparently[/URL] the election silence entails a full blown media and press blackout. This is going to be one hell of a test for that principle.
Assuming this a Russian intelligence operation, I guess they calculated that the blackout would disable the media from refuting any sensationalist/false stories online. This seems like a weakness in the electoral system
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52191908]Assuming this a Russian intelligence operation, I guess they calculated that the blackout would disable the media from refuting any sensationalist/false stories online. This seems like a weakness in the electoral system[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't have to be a Russian Intel op. Anyone could recognize the opportunity. It could be that another interest group - Le Pen, or some independent actor that would benefit from her victory.
How large of a margin is needed to shift for her to win?
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;52191933]It wouldn't have to be a Russian Intel op. Anyone could recognize the opportunity. It could be that another interest group - Le Pen, or some independent actor that would benefit from her victory.
How large of a margin is needed to shift for her to win?[/QUOTE]
She's more than 20 points behind in the final polls
I don't think there's any way for her to win with the numbers as they are now. 45% or so voted for right-wing candidates and she doesn't even got all of their votes.
What I honestly do not understand about these kinds of leaks is the thought process that people who just lap it up follow "oh shit this candidate was caught evading taxes? Better vote for the one that proves themselves objectively awful every few days, they totally won't be dodging taxes!".
After all, just because they weren't targeted by hackers doesn't mean they are clean. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It just means nobody wanted to ruin you at that point in time.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;52191988]What I honestly do not understand about these kinds of leaks is the thought process that people who just lap it up follow "oh shit this candidate was caught evading taxes? Better vote for the one that proves themselves objectively awful every few days, they totally won't be dodging taxes!".
After all, just because they weren't targeted by hackers doesn't mean they are clean. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It just means nobody wanted to ruin you at that point in time.[/QUOTE]
Is voting compulsory in France?
In an election if you can make your opposition not care to show up you've increased the value of your voters. Less enthusiastic support and more strong opposition.
title is misleading
Wikileaks did not release them. it was some anonymous guy on 4chan
-snip- Will collapse this into one larger one
Somebody needs to do something about Assange. All he does is channel leaks from Russia and fan alt-right conspiracy theorists.
Hope that fucker rots in a swedish prison
Shit has hit the fan, the 9GB Leak has CLASSIFIED FRENCH MILITARY INTEL.
Traces back to Jack Posobiec An Alt-Right that's friends with MIKE CERNOVICH and he's implicated as well.
The French Intelligence is on their trail, they are going to French Prison.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52192357]Shit has hit the fan, the 9GB Leak has CLASSIFIED FRENCH MILITARY INTEL.
Traces back to Jack Posobiec An Alt-Right that's friends with MIKE CERNOVICH and he's implicated as well.
The French Intelligence is on their trail, they are going to French Prison.[/QUOTE]
Source?
[URL="https://medium.com/@DFRLab/hashtag-campaign-macronleaks-4a3fb870c4e8"]https://medium.com/@DFRLab/hashtag-campaign-macronleaks-4a3fb870c4e8[/URL]
Edit: Uh guys apparently Wikileaks was only a Mirror this time.
[media]https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/860567956899680257[/media]
They seizing 4chan now.
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