Wikileaks releases 9Gb of Macron emails - currently being analyzed
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[QUOTE=Cone;52193822]that seems uncharacteristically sloppy for them, not that i doubt they are involved[/QUOTE]
the DNC hack had months to scrub any evidence, this had like a week to do it. Marcon wasn't supposed to be in the race.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194284]Maybe if the left was smart enough to not open the pishing emails in the first place this kind of stuff wouldn't happen... :v:
[editline]6th May 2017[/editline]
Yeah except Trump won because people believe he fits those Western values... So... :v:[/QUOTE]
Nah, Trump won because his opponent was an idiot and attacked him repeatedly instead of gathering votes, and also because of the useless electoral college system. If only the votes counted, he would have lost by a landslide, a 3 million vote landslide to be exact.
It seems the electoral silence policy is effective. I see no mention of this on social media, and I'm friends with many Mélenchon voters who basically are the target audience of this move.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;52194110]The alt-right arguments about Muslims (for example) is that we ought not allow muslim immigrants in because their values are incompatible with western values.
However, I'd make a similar argument that the far right/fascists are incompatible with western values, and Putin and his fascist Cadres in the Le Pen/Trump camp are equally if not more dangerous to the west and western values.
After all, we've seen the west destroyed by fascism once, and it can happen again[/QUOTE]
Exactly this.
ISIS and Islamic extremism are a threat to us, that's true. But the extent to which they are a threat to us has been overexaggerated by right-wing agitators who would have us move towards an atrocious form of nationalism/fascism if they could have their way.
Russia and Putin pose a far greater threat to us than ISIS and Islamic extremism does, and that's indisputable at this point because of the degree of their meddling. Simultaneously, the far-right movements popping up in our countries pose just as much of a threat to us as Russia and Putin do. There's a conspiracy among them to infiltrate and destroy us from within (they know they can't fight conventional wars against us, so this is their new strategy), and that's fucking scary because it's entirely possible to do just that. [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39478066]Le Pen and the National Front for example sought millions in loans from the Bank of Moscow (and other Russian sources) to finance their movement[/url].
The far-right is not and will never be compatible with Western civilization's values. They're domestic enemies through and through. Like you said, just examining history, fascism is the inevitable result, and it's goddamn insipid. It uses and exploits our values of democracy and tolerance to argue for its own preservation (and it preys on [i]irrational[/i] fears in the process; in the modern case, Islam), it manipulates itself into power using these things, then it does away with both of them. Suddenly there is no more democracy or tolerance, there's just oligarchy and authoritarianism. We've got to meet it head-on now and destroy it. Le Pen frankly should be behind bars (as should many of her ardent supporters).
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52194293]yeah cause surely the right has no senators older than dirt who open stupid attachments
I'm sure you're not sweeping the bigger problem of electoral interference under the rug for partisan reasons[/QUOTE]
No, only a LIBTARD would be dumb enough to do that :buckteeth:
[QUOTE=_Axel;52194292]You only need one tech illiterate in your campaign team for that to happen.
Was it done via phishing here by the way?[/QUOTE]
According to the [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-hacking-attack-what-we-know-and-dont-know.html?_r=0"]ny times[/URL], it looks like it was a pishing attack. [QUOTE]En Marche! has been the target of hackers since last year. Last month, Trend Micro, a cybersecurity firm, said that a hacking group believed to be a Russian intelligence unit had attacked Mr. Macron’s campaign, sending emails to campaign officials and others with links to fake websites designed to bait them into turning over passwords.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194332]According to the [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-hacking-attack-what-we-know-and-dont-know.html?_r=0"]ny times[/URL], it looks like it was a pishing attack.[/QUOTE]
It only says that previous attempts at phishing attacks were made, not that the successful attack was made via phishing.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52194304]Nah, Trump won because his opponent was an idiot and attacked him repeatedly instead of gathering votes, and also because of the useless electoral college system. If only the votes counted, he would have lost by a landslide, a 3 million vote landslide to be exact.[/QUOTE]
If the electoral college system is so bad, then why hasn't it been abolished? The only time people piss and moan about it is when they lose.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194284]Maybe if the left was smart enough to not open the pishing emails in the first place this kind of stuff wouldn't happen... :v:
[editline]6th May 2017[/editline]
Yeah except Trump won because people believe he fits those Western values... So... :v:[/QUOTE]
Maybe if the right were honest and could win an election fairly they wouldn't have foreign powers illegally breaking into their political opponent's systems every election for political gain.
[editline]6th May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194343]If the electoral college system is so bad, then why hasn't it been abolished? The only time people piss and moan about it is when they lose.[/QUOTE]
"If cancer is so bad why hasn't anybody cured it???"
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194343]If the electoral college system is so bad, then why hasn't it been abolished? The only time people piss and moan about it is when they lose.[/QUOTE]
People have bitched about it for 50 years or longer.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194343]If the electoral college system is so bad, then why hasn't it been abolished? The only time people piss and moan about it is when they lose.[/QUOTE]
Because Republicans, the ones who benefit most from it, prevent exactly that
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194343]If the electoral college system is so bad, then why hasn't it been abolished? The only time people piss and moan about it is when they lose.[/QUOTE]
Because it was established so that cities wouldn't dominate every election and completely nullify votes from rural areas. The founding fathers were concerned that cities like Boston and Philadelphia would completely drown out the votes from rural townspeople and farmers, leaving half the population without a voice in the new country. The concerns of a farmer would never be heard, while the concerns of a worker would be prominant. In a way, the EC kind of worked as intended this election. One candidate went and campaigned in forgotten areas and got a lot of votes from rural Americans, while the other did nothing because she knew she had the liberal city vote locked down from Day 1. That's Hillary's fault for not campaigning properly, instead thinking she can coast her way to victory on her past successes and friendly media.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52194468]Because it was established so that cities wouldn't dominate every election and completely nullify votes from rural areas. The founding fathers were concerned that cities like Boston and Philadelphia would completely drown out the votes from rural townspeople and farmers, leaving half the population without a voice in the new country. The concerns of a farmer would never be heard, while the concerns of a worker would be prominant.[/QUOTE]
Oh come on, not this fucking [I]bullshit[/I] again. I thought we went over this dozens of time already.
Seriously, again someone sees Russian hand in this? You guys are dumb or ridicilous? It'd look the same if Le Pen's mail was hacked and i'd say that USA hacked it. Quit your oneside-propaganda shittalk and be reasonable.
[QUOTE=ManuFi;52194562]Seriously, again someone sees Russian hand in this? You guys are dumb or ridicilous? It'd look the same if Le Pen's mail was hacked and i'd say that USA hacked it. Quit your oneside-propaganda shittalk and be reasonable.[/QUOTE]
Didn't the CIA data dump reveal info about how US hacks would leave russian traces only to cover their own steps??
[QUOTE=ManuFi;52194562]Seriously, again someone sees Russian hand in this? You guys are dumb or ridicilous? It'd look the same if Le Pen's mail was hacked and i'd say that USA hacked it. Quit your oneside-propaganda shittalk and be reasonable.[/QUOTE]
That would make sense if the Trump and his buddies didn't praise Le Pen. GOP and Trump are even further to the right than Le Pen, they would easily get along with her.
[QUOTE=ManuFi;52194562]Seriously, again someone sees Russian hand in this? You guys are dumb or ridicilous? It'd look the same if Le Pen's mail was hacked and i'd say that USA hacked it. Quit your oneside-propaganda shittalk and be reasonable.[/QUOTE]
sorry for drawing a connection with shit like this and russia feeding money into neonazi and alt right organizations all over the world
The terrifying thought is that Trump and his ilk might be behind this, furthering the system that got them into power and running independently of Russian influence. If enough of any of the alphabet investigative agencies have been ethically compromised, they could just as easily have done exactly what Russia did before. It could in fact be Putin's plan, to have fascism branch out and operate quasi-independently to avoid the appearance of being a specific actor in overthrowing the world order. As the agencies in each flipped government become ethically compromised, their resources get put to work obscuring Russian involvement and acting as a physical proxy agency.
Why on earth the US actors would then use Russian tags is the question that puts a big hole in the theory, unless the intention is then to have the US involvement exposed to discredit other allegations against his nation.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;52194598]The terrifying thought is that Trump and his ilk might be behind this, furthering the system that got them into power and running independently of Russian influence. If enough of any of the alphabet investigative agencies have been ethically compromised, they could just as easily have done exactly what Russia did before. It could in fact be Putin's plan, to have fascism branch out and operate quasi-independently to avoid the appearance of being a specific actor in overthrowing the world order. As the agencies in each flipped government become ethically compromised, their resources get put to work obscuring Russian involvement and acting as a physical proxy agency.[/QUOTE]
If you read the Article I posted Jack Posebiec is screwed, He was the first one who linked it before WIKILEAKS.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52194604]If you read the Article I posted Jack Posebiec is screwed, He was the first one who linked it before WIKILEAKS.[/QUOTE]
Whoops, missed that update. That dismantles an awful lot of what I postulated based on reading the article, but still plausibly fills the role of decentralization that Russia might be aiming for. As their "movement" spreads, more independent actors will commit acts of "digital terrorism" in support of alt-right supported politicians (which coincidentally happen to be Russian-interest-aligned). With a lack of plausible links back to Russian agents or intelligence agencies, Russia gets exonerated by the "political transformation" that is sweeping the world rather than being seen as the direct cause of it.
I love the amount of morons that didn't do 9 seconds of research and think the media is intentionally not covering this to save face
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194572]Didn't the CIA data dump reveal info about how US hacks would leave russian traces only to cover their own steps??[/QUOTE]
Obviously you caught the CIA in the midst of their 9D Parcheesi game to release information that makes Macron look bad to right wing sources so that [I]they'd[/I] look bad for giving it to wikileaks and Le Pen would lose!
How could we have been so blind!? Obviously you've got the right idea here.
[QUOTE=Govna;52194320]Exactly this.
ISIS and Islamic extremism are a threat to us, that's true. But the extent to which they are a threat to us has been overexaggerated by right-wing agitators who would have us move towards an atrocious form of nationalism/fascism if they could have their way.
Russia and Putin pose a far greater threat to us than ISIS and Islamic extremism does, and that's indisputable at this point because of the degree of their meddling. Simultaneously, the far-right movements popping up in our countries pose just as much of a threat to us as Russia and Putin do. There's a conspiracy among them to infiltrate and destroy us from within (they know they can't fight conventional wars against us, so this is their new strategy), and that's fucking scary because it's entirely possible to do just that. [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39478066]Le Pen and the National Front for example sought millions in loans from the Bank of Moscow (and other Russian sources) to finance their movement[/url].
The far-right is not and will never be compatible with Western civilization's values. They're domestic enemies through and through. Like you said, just examining history, fascism is the inevitable result, and it's goddamn insipid. It uses and exploits our values of democracy and tolerance to argue for its own preservation (and it preys on [i]irrational[/i] fears in the process; in the modern case, Islam), it manipulates itself into power using these things, then it does away with both of them. Suddenly there is no more democracy or tolerance, there's just oligarchy and authoritarianism. We've got to meet it head-on now and destroy it. Le Pen frankly should be behind bars (as should many of her ardent supporters).[/QUOTE]
"Look who's back", the German film about Hitler returning to modern day Germany, should be shown in public school. The film ends with a prophetic "I can use this" from Hitler.
this made me nervous as fuck
the worst part is that there's no clear way to defend ourselves or strike back
putin's russia is truly a scourge of the modern world
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;52194598]The terrifying thought is that Trump and his ilk might be behind this, furthering the system that got them into power and running independently of Russian influence. If enough of any of the alphabet investigative agencies have been ethically compromised, they could just as easily have done exactly what Russia did before. It could in fact be Putin's plan, to have fascism branch out and operate quasi-independently to avoid the appearance of being a specific actor in overthrowing the world order. As the agencies in each flipped government become ethically compromised, their resources get put to work obscuring Russian involvement and acting as a physical proxy agency.
Why on earth the US actors would then use Russian tags is the question that puts a big hole in the theory, unless the intention is then to have the US involvement exposed to discredit other allegations against his nation.[/QUOTE]
This is David Icke tier conspiracy..
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194572]Didn't the CIA data dump reveal info about how US hacks would leave russian traces only to cover their own steps??[/QUOTE]
They have the capability but that doesnt mean every hack with Russian prints can be put in the CIA. Why would Trump even sign off on something like that?
Is there a way to unstar a post?
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194572]Didn't the CIA data dump reveal info about how US hacks would leave russian traces only to cover their own steps??[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah the "CIA data" released by the Russians to anti-American sympathizers details how Russian metadata is actually a false flag attack by the CIA itself to cover their tracks.
I trust Mother Russia :^)
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194343]If the electoral college system is so bad, then why hasn't it been abolished? The only time people piss and moan about it is when they lose.[/QUOTE]
Because making changes in the US government was deliberately designed to be difficult and one of the parties stand to benefit.
[editline]6th May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52194572]Didn't the CIA data dump reveal info about how US hacks would leave russian traces only to cover their own steps??[/QUOTE]
Are you denouncing one conspiracy theory whIle spreading another?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;52194750]"Look who's back", the German film about Hitler returning to modern day Germany, should be shown in public school. The film ends with a prophetic "I can use this" from Hitler.[/QUOTE]
For people who haven't seen it, this is the part he's talking about:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y52fmhZGPE[/media]
It's actually a fantastic film for the message it conveys. Reminded me in a way of that episode of the Twilight Zone about Hitler with Dennis Hopper, "He's Alive".
[QUOTE=Govna;52195069]For people who haven't seen it, this is the part he's talking about:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y52fmhZGPE[/media]
It's actually a fantastic film for the message it conveys. Reminded me in a way of that episode of the Twilight Zone about Hitler with Dennis Hopper, "He's Alive".[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I thought when I saw it on Netflix last year.
It's a shame the Twilight Zone episode you talked about (and the rest of that particular season, I want to say it's season 4) isn't included with the rest of the series on Netflix.
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