Poroshenko wins Ukraine election, Tymoshenko a distant second say exit polls - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Conscript;44916274]You should probably read that article again, it has to do with the state punishing Symonenko for claiming a well-loved Ukrainian UPA patriot was a Nazi collaborator, since official narrative differs...which is even believed by historians in the West. [/QUOTE] I don't care, Simonenko was not punished so it doesn't matter in the slightest [QUOTE=Conscript;44916274]Cool, I have friends there too. I really don't give a shit about your little appeal here, as I'm the only one citing anything. [/QUOTE] Good for you [QUOTE=Conscript;44916274]You either support Maidan and answer for its consequences (including its radical elements, who played a key role) or you oppose it. There is no in-between, you don't exist in a bubble and get to pick and choose who is 'nice'.[/QUOTE] I opposed maidan since day 1 though, and almost never supported their actions

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44916306] I opposed maidan since day 1 though, and almost never supported their actions[/QUOTE] You're strange. You're not even following your objective interests, then. No offense, but in Lviv you're the exception. Do you ever speak Russian? I hope not, for your sake.

[QUOTE=Conscript;44916511]You're strange. You're not even following your objective interests, then. No offense, but in Lviv you're the exception. Do you ever speak Russian? I hope not, for your sake.[/QUOTE] A lot of people in Lviv speak Russian. I see people speaking Russian every day and no one cares. You have a lot of misconceptions about this place

[url]http://www.russia-ukraine-travel.com/image-files/language-in-ukraine.png[/url] It doesn't really look like it. I've always heard anyway, that the more West you go, the more purely Ukrainian speaking the people are. Galicia is pretty much all Ukrainian speaking, and considering it's at the geopolitical center of Ukrainian nationalism, I really see no reason to believe I'm as mistaken as you say I am.

[QUOTE=Conscript;44916607][url]http://www.russia-ukraine-travel.com/image-files/language-in-ukraine.png[/url] It doesn't really look like it. I've always heard anyway, that the more West you go, the more purely Ukrainian speaking the people are. Galicia is pretty much all Ukrainian speaking, and considering it's at the geopolitical center of Ukrainian nationalism, I really see no reason to believe I'm as mistaken as you say I am.[/QUOTE] A lot of people speak Ukrainian here, myself included, but no one is threatening Russian speakers

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44907586]Putin already does This dudes a business man, the country is far indebt, and russia wants land. What do you think is going to happen. Ukraine get ready to sell some land.[/QUOTE] Actually, seeing the state of Ukraines economy, maybe Russia should have offered to buy the Russian lands

[QUOTE=Conscript;44914762]This whole post can be boiled down to three points: 1. Guilt by association by sharing 'Kremlin views' 2. Everything I say is exaggerated 2. A (false) equivalency between Eastern separatists and Ukrainian nationalists. I appreciate the long post I guess, but there's really nothing for me to respond to, especially since you don't even try to prove anything just assert it (indeed, your whole post reads like a smear tbh). Otherwise, here you go: [url]http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/[/url][/QUOTE] 1. Just pointing that people tend to think you as a pro-Russian if you happen to share 100% of views and attitudes with them. By normal definition, having your views and actions match particular ideology makes you a follower, whether person himself likes that definition or not. Beyond that, your claim would be so much more credible if you didn't Kremlin's dictionary of definitions. "Guilt" as in receiving judgmental attitude is due to some not being a particular fans of Russia's haegemonistic aspirations, whereas in your posts you consistently judge any opposition to (and thus support) them. 2. Thank you for demonstrating. To give example, you exaggerate the extent to which Party of Regions' is marginalized and tried to make anti-russian legislation seem like a real thing long after it had failed. This is all to inflate extent to which Russian population in Ukraine is in peril as per Kremlin's claims. 3. Both movements are rebellions supported by foreign power against another "foreign" power with morally questionable actions and attitudes. So highly comparable, relative legitimacy debatable. UNLESS You reflexively align yourself to one side, logic and impartiality be damned, which prevents you from forming a neutral opinion. 4. I did point out some weaknesses in your argumentation. Don't let that bother your mission, it's the passion that counts. Thanks for the link.

[QUOTE=Vlevs;44920867]1. Just pointing that people tend to think you as a pro-Russian if you happen to share 100% of views and attitudes with them. By normal definition, having your views and actions match particular ideology makes you a follower, whether person himself likes that definition or not. Beyond that, your claim would be so much more credible if you didn't Kremlin's dictionary of definitions. "Guilt" as in receiving judgmental attitude is due to some not being a particular fans of Russia's haegemonistic aspirations, whereas in your posts you consistently judge any opposition to (and thus support) them. 2. Thank you for demonstrating. To give example, you exaggerate the extent to which Party of Regions' is marginalized and tried to make anti-russian legislation seem like a real thing long after it had failed. This is all to inflate extent to which Russian population in Ukraine is in peril as per Kremlin's claims. 3. Both movements are rebellions supported by foreign power against another "foreign" power with morally questionable actions and attitudes. So highly comparable, relative legitimacy debatable. UNLESS You reflexively align yourself to one side, logic and impartiality be damned, which prevents you from forming a neutral opinion. 4. I did point out some weaknesses in your argumentation. Don't let that bother your mission, it's the passion that counts. Thanks for the link.[/QUOTE] More assertions, more psychologist's fallacies, go start a blog or something. I just love how there's nothing here to reply to or argue. Nobody gives a shit how pro-russian you think I am. I like how you just tell me the Regions party is just fine and saying otherwise is a sign of Kremlin alignment. Go read that forum and take notes, maybe you'll learn how to debate (and cite), otherwise I'll just put you on ignore.