Radek the 'Canfellow' - 25 year old, mentally retarded manboy in security prison aka a picturesque - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cone;40990271]but you still haven't said why punishment is actually necessary and why it is somehow less crazy to enjoy someone else's suffering just because you've suffered yourself[/QUOTE] You got me there, really hard to answer that intricate question weighed down by heavy morals and ethics - guess I'm here the only kid who when he got pushed at school, wanted to push back. Stupid vindictive ol' me - guess I'm the bad seed ;)

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40990308]You got me there, really hard to answer that intricate question weighed down by heavy morals and ethics - guess I'm here the only kid who when he got pushed at school, wanted to push back. Stupid vindictive ol' me - guess I'm the bad seed ;)[/QUOTE] there's a difference between pushing someone and putting them in jail for a long period of time why do you keep making these comparisons

[QUOTE=Cone;40990341]there's a difference between pushing someone and putting them in jail for a long period of time why do you keep making these comparisons[/QUOTE] I'm using these far-fetched analogies, because I feel like you are really putting everything in black&white. My world is grey and full of shades of that color. We punish people for doing the wrong choices or acting inexcusably with real actions - mostly in a non directly violent way, but we do it because 'it feels right' - we really wish karma existed and so we try to take part in it - so when a random guy slaps your female friend's behind in some establishment for no other reason other than he's drunk - you punch him for being a jerk - not assume that lecturing him about how it's not right will cause him to apologize and rethink his actions in the future. Edit: I am a human and as such have my flaws sometimes casting a shadow on my logic, I acknowledge that but I do not deny it in an idealistic attempt to prove I am more evolved than others.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40989966]it seeks to conform members of society to be what the state deems "productive" or "healthy". that's immoral. not to mention a purely rehabilitative system would keep people in prison indefinitely, until the state deems them "rehabilitated". that's cruel and unusual punishment by any standard.[/QUOTE] "So if we take this to the extreme you'll see how RIDICULOUS rehabilitation is!"' That's really stupid. A prison system that seeks to rehabilitate doesn't in any way mean that you can detain someone "until they conform to the society's definition of normal". It means they'll make it not-shit for the guy, and then hope that he doesn't carry out any crime again. He has free will, though, so he can do whatever he wants once he's out - including breaking the law. And don't give me the "but there's no free will in today's society!" it's bullshit, and you should know.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40990498]"So if we take this to the extreme you'll see how RIDICULOUS rehabilitation is!"' That's really stupid. A prison system that seeks to rehabilitate doesn't in any way mean that you can detain someone "until they conform to the society's definition of normal". It means they'll make it not-shit for the guy, and then hope that he doesn't carry out any crime again. He has free will, though, so he can do whatever he wants once he's out - including breaking the law. And don't give me the "but there's no free will in today's society!" it's bullshit, and you should know.[/QUOTE] I'm all for rehabilitation in 98% of the cases, just don't want it to completely replace any kind of form of punishment.

[QUOTE=NotWorthy;40990613]I'm all for rehabilitation in 98% of the cases, just don't want it to completely replace any kind of form of punishment.[/QUOTE] Well, isn't getting locked up punishment enough? You're confined to a single room for the most of the day, and sometimes for years. That's terrible. The system should provide work, entertainment and guidance to people in prison, so you'll actually have a chance in society afterwards.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40990813]Well, isn't getting locked up punishment enough? You're confined to a single room for the most of the day, and sometimes for years. That's terrible. The system should provide work, entertainment and guidance to people in prison, so you'll actually have a chance in society afterwards.[/QUOTE] For the most part I entirely agree - work and guidance is essential - I think people are jumping to conclusions that I want the prisoners raped regularly, beaten by the guards for no reason and with every word coming out of an overseer's mouth show contempt, disgust and down right hatred. Being locked up and confined to a single room with just a few hours in the courtyard with just some basketball option is all I expect as a form of punishment. Sure give them a pencil and paper and let them be creative, but do not overdo it with the entertainment part.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40989966]it seeks to conform members of society to be what the state deems "productive" or "healthy". that's immoral. not to mention a purely rehabilitative system would keep people in prison indefinitely, until the state deems them "rehabilitated". that's cruel and unusual punishment by any standard.[/QUOTE] Wise words from Facepunch's premier conspiracy theorist.

[QUOTE=Reds;40990966]Wise words from Facepunch's premier conspiracy theorist.[/QUOTE] Hehe, yah I smelled a 'Shawshank Redemption' fan myself.

[QUOTE=Reds;40990966]Wise words from Facepunch's premier conspiracy theorist.[/QUOTE] That guy is off the rails...

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40989797]rehabilitation is unjust and immoral. punishment is unjust and immoral. prison as a concept is stupid and should be abolished.[/QUOTE] This is what anarchists actually believe.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;40991553]This is what anarchists actually believe.[/QUOTE] Naaaah, let's just build a big barbed wire social district with machine-gun guard towers and start throwing only the people with whatever convictions into it, and let them live their life their own way - they'll sort it out - it'll be greeeaaat.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40989966]it seeks to conform members of society to be what the state deems "productive" or "healthy". that's immoral. not to mention a purely rehabilitative system would keep people in prison indefinitely, until the state deems them "rehabilitated". that's cruel and unusual punishment by any standard.[/QUOTE]What would you deem an appropriate alternative?

[QUOTE=TehAgentGuy;40977600]That gives me a warm feeling in my heart. What? That man needs psychological help. Not a prison where he has to helplessly fend for himself.[/QUOTE] Not everyone who goes to prison is a sociopath or psychopath ya know.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40989966]it seeks to conform members of society to be what the state deems "productive" or "healthy". that's immoral. not to mention a purely rehabilitative system would keep people in prison indefinitely, until the state deems them "rehabilitated". that's cruel and unusual punishment by any standard.[/Quote] hey guys me again did you happen to forget that im a total fucking lunatic who thinks laws police justice systems and general society are terrible and stupid???? oh ok well im.reminding you oK BYE

How about we all remind ourselves this was supposed to be about a poor retarded fellow that we can all agree has received unjustified punishment that continues to this day until further notice. As for the rest let's agree it's a sensitive issue and we can agree to disagree on the semantics of it all. With that sort of [I]agree[/I]ment and closure in mind I suggest we assume a sort of visual representation of this thread that we can all think about when this issue arises in the future which will remind us of the contemplation we did bestow on this thread today/tonight. All things being fair, my suggestion is [URL="http://i.imgur.com/KRI5la9.png"]this[/URL] Now, don't we all feel better? :)

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;40992502]hey guys me again did you happen to forget that im a total fucking lunatic who thinks laws police justice systems and general society are terrible and stupid???? oh ok well im.reminding you oK BYE[/QUOTE] "Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune." Noam Chomsky laws, police, and the justice system are pretty weak ideas in the modern age. they might have been necessary before, but civilized society can do well without them now. [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;40992106]What would you deem an appropriate alternative?[/QUOTE] a form of justice that seeks to create accountability in people. [url]http://www.restorativejustice.org/[/url]

[U]Slight update for whoever still actually cares:[/U] [B]Radek[/B], received a [B]3[/B] (or so) day pass, to go visit his mom at home ( well... you know - to be taken home by mom for a day or two) - unclear whether it was a scheduled benefit coupled with the unobstruct, ongoing execution of the sentence for the remainder of it's duration, or if the media frenzy that sparked it all, induced this slight attempt of gradual amend making. However, concerned with both, his physical and mental health (with decision making aid drawn from a private counselor under pro bono working conditions, no less), his mom had him committed to a hospital for evaluation and treatment - span of which is to be left undetermined, thus, breaking the obligating arrangement of the date-and-time of his re-incarceration stemmed from the assumption of him being incontestably returned. I trust the lone-gun attorney doesn't have the audacity to have his sleeves void of a trump-paragraph-coded-card, because they showed some committed prison warden rep lady in uniform; stating in the most coldest and detached of ways that: [I]"We have not been provided with the felon in the restricted time-frame, leaving us with the await the unfolding of the situation over the next 3 days, upon ending of which we will have no other choice, but to notify the appropriate authorities and report this malevolent act of offense to the law." [/I](Really made it seem like she didn't give a flying coitus about the underlying case and just wanted to strictly follow the law count by count - really made you wonna smack'er in da face, but I guess she is obligated to respond as discussed) [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dzis0sp.jpg[/IMG] Now get this - now they say, the judges in question, still had and have the power to in part, nullify the ruling and dismiss the case, but they don't want anything to do with it and claim their hands are tied. All the while the president is taking his sweet old time to analyze the case files with the up most scrutiny towards binding details - as if it wasn't already perfectly bestowed on a crystal clear platter - what course of action should he, as president, or as the voice of the state undertake to finally settle this embarrassing debacle. [B]In summation[/B] - [U]the way I see and understand it[/U] - Radek got a few happy days out of it so far (i assume filled with relief and reunification resulting from the long overdue visit of the place his heart holds so dear) all the while the publicly-appointed-bureaucratic-veil-of-law-wielding figures try to pass down back and forth the notion of "who is actually bound by responsibility here". That process will surely take a while, but sooner or later, (hopefully sooner) someone will have to take one for the team and admit injustice being a factor and coming with terms that there is no face-saving way of this. So to give you the feeling the media and by proxy we are having: it is inevitable that he will be transfered to a mental health facility in a matter of a fortnight, but we will have to try and turn a blind eye towards all the inconsistencies provided by our dear penal system's penalties that will still have to be formally enforced to try and hide the fact that the inked rule of law is nothing more than a shrewd pile of incomprehensible directives leading to nothing short of insensible, irrational and unbalanced drivel.