• Avi Arad doesn't want his precious Spider-Man in the Avengers
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It would be awesome to have spiderman and wolverine in an avengers film, sucks that it wont happen though.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43604363]What do you even mean "it's not part of his character"? If he's good looking, he's good looking. If a movie is trying to tell me that this good looking dude is socially awkward, it makes no sense to me. It feels out of place. And that's not good for characterization. Just imagine if Superbad starred Robert Pattinson and Channing Tatum instead of Michael Cera and Jonah Hill, that wouldn't make a lot of sense, now would it? Sure, we're talking about a movie where a guy gets powers from a spider bite, but that doesn't mean it needs to have zero logic. Hell, they didn't even make an effort to make him look socially awkward, they could've at least taken away the whole fashionable thing about him, I don't know, but if the movie doesn't give me any reason to think "oh yeah that's why he's an outcast", then it's gonna seem weird and poorly thought out.[/quote] There's never a simple reason for someone to be an outcast, he just doesn't really get along with people very well because he's socially awkward. And he's not supposed to be super attractive, he has that goofy smile and a weird haircut for the whole film and he's not really particularly fashionable either. [quote]How is the audience supposed to know this? Remember that the first aspect of his character the movie introduces is how he's an outcast, but also how he's rebellious (skateboarding through the hallways, defending a guy in a fight, sleeping in class). They only show that he's smart afterwards, when he fixes the washing machine and much later with the door lock. So basically this tells us that he's rebellious, stands up for his friends, does all that cool shit AND he's a genius? Why is this guy an outcast again?[/quote] You said that aspect of his character isn't introduced or touched upon until he builds the web shooters, and as we've both just highlighted you were wrong about that. And in what universe is being a science nerd viewed as cool? [quote]On the other side, you've got Maguire. 100% nerd. MJ doesn't instantly fall in love with him? Completely believable. He's not hailed as the coolest kid in school after defeating flash? Makes total sense. Nothing distracts you from the movie experience because nothing breaks the atmosphere, unlike with TASM, where you'll go "oh I guess this happens for no reason, ok" every 20 minutes.[/quote] I don't recall a single scene showing him in school after that, it jumped forward really far. [quote]Well for one, we barely see Peter after that. The biggest scenes we see him in are the basketball one, the one where he fights over Spider-Man with his new girlfriend's father, and the one where he gets late to class and ends the movie with a witty comment. Sounds like a smartass to me.[/quote] The problem here is that you're trying to break everything down into big events, whereas the way things are depicted in the film is more subtle. Peter just has a strange way of speaking, and he looks a little bit jittery pretty much all the time. [quote]Thanks for bringing up another thing the first trilogy did better than this movie. "keeping him down for a while" why yes, that's exactly how I feel about Ben's death in this film. I mean, it's not like it's supposed to be the [i]only reason he's Spider-man[/i] after all. Nah, it just keeps him down for a while.[/quote] I phrased it poorly, that continued throughout the whole movie, you could see his home life became terrible after this, Aunt May couldn't sleep and was scared all the time about what Peter was doing (great performance by Sally Field btw, she doesn't get enough praise for it) and at the end, he finally listened to the message and Uncle Ben's message to him finally reached him. I think Amazing did a much better job of showing the connection he had with his Uncle before killing him off, mainly helped by Martin Sheen's performance. Once again, it's in the subtle things, not the landmark moments. [quote]Raimi's version showed this way more clearly. TASM's Peter only seems to care about it for a little while after it happens, and it quickly goes away after a couple of action sequences that turn from "I'll avenge my uncle's death" to "generic superhero training montage".[/quote] The way it's portrayed in Amazing is much more subtle. That's one criticism I have of the original movie, everything is too in-your-face and obvious, there's barely any subtlety in the storytelling. [quote]Didn't really look like it to me. If that's what you got from the movie that's fine, but what I gathered was that she, for some reason, always had a crush on him. Seriously, she goes from acknowledging that his name is Peter to being all sweet to him and inviting him over to her house out of nowhere.[/QUOTE] Well there was the scene where he tried to ask her out? Did you miss that? Her attraction to him seemed to me like it came from him standing up to Flash, not just for no reason and because that was how it had always been. Once again, I don't think people paid enough attention to the movie.
I liked the new movies, and honestly they have less CGI in them than the original 3 had, because effects have gotten that much further, and I loved the peter parker in this, even though there's some weird unexplained backstory. the only real problem was the last maybe 10 minutes of the movie, it just had a shitty ending that's all. I was really hoping tony stark would walk in at some point and give him some tech tips though
Spiderman in current Avengers? No. Spiderman in an Avengers consisting of Luke Cage, The Thing, and Wolverine would be pretty kick ass though. [QUOTE=ionuttzu;43593804]"number one character in the world" Yea-no[/QUOTE] Number one character in the world? It's a toss up between Superman and Jesus.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;43615904] Number one character in the world? It's a toss up between Superman and Jesus.[/QUOTE] In terms of sheer ability I think this guy is up there, too. [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/2wh06qd.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;43614426]There's never a simple reason for someone to be an outcast, he just doesn't really get along with people very well because he's socially awkward.[/quote] Who cares if there's never a simple reason in real life? This is a movie, and the movie has to give at least one reason as to why he's an outcast, or else it's freaking stupid. It's the same if a villain decides to do something evil for no reason, or if a good guy decides to be a hero "just because". If there's no logic behind the characters then it detracts from the movie. [quote]And he's not supposed to be super attractive, he has that goofy smile and a weird haircut for the whole film and he's not really particularly fashionable either.[/quote] "He's not attractive because I think his smile is goofy and I don't like his haircut" Now you're just grasping at straws. Like it or not, he's widely regarded as "super attractive", and just because it's not explicitly stated to be part of his character, it instantly becomes part of it if the actor has those qualities. But like I said, that doesn't mean it's impossible for Garfield to play an awkward teenager, they just needed to give the audience reasons as to why he's an outcast, and they didn't. [quote] And in what universe is being a science nerd viewed as cool?[/quote] Science nerd? Where? Oh wait, that's Andrew Garfield isn't it? When do they mention he's a nerd again? When is he seen studying? Or acing a test and being called a nerd for it? All they show is that he's a cool kid that happens to be super smart and builds cool gadgets, nowhere near what I'd call a nerd. [quote]I don't recall a single scene showing him in school after that, it jumped forward really far.[/quote] And this is relevant to "what makes a character believable" how? He can still be socially awkward outside of it, you know. If you're referring to the "he's not hailed as a hero in school" part, I meant right after he punched flash, when everyone just sorta goes away and some call him a freak and stuff. [quote]The problem here is that you're trying to break everything down into big events, whereas the way things are depicted in the film is more subtle. Peter just has a strange way of speaking, and he looks a little bit jittery pretty much all the time.[/quote] "This guy is INCREDIBLY awkward and has NO FRIENDS because he talks weird and is a little jittery" Seriously? Grasping at straws again [quote]I phrased it poorly, that continued throughout the whole movie, you could see his home life became terrible after this, Aunt May couldn't sleep and was scared all the time about what Peter was doing [/quote] This is literally never mentioned as having anything to do with uncle Ben's death. She's only worried because guess what, he's coming back home late at night with bruises all over his face. The same thing would happen if he became Spider-man while Ben was still alive, so no this is not related to his death AT ALL. [quote]and at the end, he finally listened to the message and Uncle Ben's message to him finally reached him.[/quote] That was a nice touch, but like you said, it was at the end. They didn't even touch the subject anymore until then. [quote]Once again, I don't think people paid enough attention to the movie.[/QUOTE] I think you're the one who didn't pay enough attention to either film. You claim everything in TASM was subtle, but the subtletly you claim was probably never intended. It isn't as "deep" as you're making it out to be, and the explanation is simple: it was a cash grab, and it was literally only made so Sony wouldn't lose the rights to Spidey.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;43607840]It would be awesome to have spiderman and wolverine in an avengers film, sucks that it wont happen though.[/QUOTE] Don't they both become members of the Avengers at some point? I recall something from Marvel Ultimate Alliance mentioning it.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;43602529]That's not a very convincing argument, actually. The avengers made only 2x the profits of spiderman, but had like 6+ superheroes. If they put spidey in Avengers 2 they get much less money due to splitting the profits with other rights holders. Then Factor that with some fancy market saturation term that the marketing team comes up with that says spidey should only be in a movie every x years otherwise the public gets tired of him. Not saying I agree with the decision, but there's that.[/QUOTE] They're corporations, they all get paid the same so long as they keep raking in money Spiderman in Avengers is like a guaranteed way to rake in money
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