Man arrested on child porn charges: Porn was 'only of kids I didn't know'
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[QUOTE=Cows Rule;48150410]I think I know what he (pedo guy) means. People that he doesn't personally know or see aren't "real" since they don't exist to him on a personal/tangible level. The personal aspect of the "relationship" is removed so it's just images without feeling, emotion, or character.
I have a similar mindset for friends (and porn), I find it more comfortable messaging and posting because it strips interaction down to an simple dialogue of information.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't really sound like friendship then
What really sucks is that he seems to recognize it as a bad thing and feel guilty about it although in a very strange way, and he's still going to be treated like shit and have his life ruined instead of getting the help he likely needs. There's no excuse for possession of child porn but he seems to actually have potential at being a better person that I doubt he's going to be able to pursue in the way he should.
Have you ever seen gabe and this guy in the same room?
no?
Think about it.
[QUOTE=James xX;48150256][del]Source?[/del] Been added to the op now.[/QUOTE]
No need for Source, Source 2™ is coming out.
Facepunch and everyone that posts on it are not real because I can't see them.
The guy who stands in the corner of my room when I sleep isn't real because I don't see him.
I'm pretty sure by "not real" the guy meant he didn't make them.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48151527]that doesn't really sound like friendship then[/QUOTE]
What I am trying to say is that when you strip out the tangible and personal parts of an interaction, the other person can seem non-real as just an image or responding block of text. There's no personal evidence of their existence, just a consequence of the possibility.
[QUOTE=Vipes;48151688]Facepunch and everyone that posts on it are not real because I can't see them.
The guy who stands in the corner of my room when I sleep isn't real because I don't see him.[/QUOTE]
But how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?
[QUOTE=The freeman;48150395]Could have been a honeypot, an ISP getting a red flag, who knows.
I'm assuming its the same thing as ISPs sending you angry letters for torrenting TV shows illegally. He did something that raised a red flag and the ISP contacted the cops.[/QUOTE]
Probably because he was sharing them with others according to the article.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48151609]What really sucks is that he seems to recognize it as a bad thing and feel guilty about it although in a very strange way, and he's still going to be treated like shit and have his life ruined instead of getting the help he likely needs. There's no excuse for possession of child porn but he seems to actually have potential at being a better person that I doubt he's going to be able to pursue in the way he should.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it is a pretty stupid way of handling it really. Also if we look at this objectively, what harm has he done? I mean I personally find his behavior gross and if he is a danger to other people we absolutely need to do something about it but does him looking at child pornography automatically make him a child molester? Even if he is attracted to children he is still a human being capable of controlling his urges with willpower. This is definitely a warning flag but just because someone watches a certain type of porn it doesn't mean he is going to act it out in real life.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;48151942]Yeah it is a pretty stupid way of handling it really. Also if we look at this objectively, what harm has he done? I mean I personally find his behavior gross and if he is a danger to other people we absolutely need to do something about it but does him looking at child pornography automatically make him a child molester? Even if he is attracted to children he is still a human being capable of controlling his urges with willpower. This is definitely a warning flag but just because someone watches a certain type of porn it doesn't mean he is going to act it out in real life.[/QUOTE]
children are involved in the making of child pornography
[QUOTE=maeZtro;48151942]Yeah it is a pretty stupid way of handling it really. Also if we look at this objectively, what harm has he done? I mean I personally find his behavior gross and if he is a danger to other people we absolutely need to do something about it but does him looking at child pornography automatically make him a child molester? Even if he is attracted to children he is still a human being capable of controlling his urges with willpower. This is definitely a warning flag but just because someone watches a certain type of porn it doesn't mean he is going to act it out in real life.[/QUOTE]
CP is illegal, because it's videos of kids getting fucked (which is illegal). For the people watching it, on top of being... well, fucked up, it's kinda like finding a dead body and not telling the police about it.
If the ISP red flagged him how could they have known the contents of the data shared? I understand Comcast (which I assume is the only provider in that area) will send you warning letters for torrenting too much, but at what point do they contact the police? How much data can they gather beyond the filename?
pretty sure those warning letters don't mean anything, kind of like "HEY THIS COMPANY TOLD US TO TELL YOU TO KNOCK IT OFF SOOOOOO"
[QUOTE=maeZtro;48151942]Yeah it is a pretty stupid way of handling it really. Also if we look at this objectively, what harm has he done? I mean I personally find his behavior gross and if he is a danger to other people we absolutely need to do something about it but does him looking at child pornography automatically make him a child molester? Even if he is attracted to children he is still a human being capable of controlling his urges with willpower. This is definitely a warning flag but just because someone watches a certain type of porn it doesn't mean he is going to act it out in real life.[/QUOTE]
While the viewing of child porn despite being fucked up I guess doesn't directly harm someone in and of itself, aren't these kinds of things usually paid for and promoted among small circles on the deep web or some shit?
Viewing CP I think would probably require that you spend money, that you network with pedophiles who make child porn, and shit like that. I can't imagine unless there's just places that just post that shit up that there's ways you could view that without harming someone. Not to mention anyone who provides child pornography that you view, by not reporting it, you could be considered to be causing harm by allowing child pornographers to function freely. Kind of like how you're obligated to report murder or child abuse or rape or shit like that.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48150788]Seems they are real?[/QUOTE]
i like how he is trying to cut a deal with the cops because they aren't local girls. i mean i guess that is less illegal because he didn't actually hurt any kids but it really doesn't change that he was looking at real, honest-to-god CP
[editline]8th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48152082]While the viewing of child porn despite being fucked up I guess doesn't directly harm someone in and of itself, aren't these kinds of things usually paid for and promoted among small circles on the deep web or some shit?
Viewing CP I think would probably require that you spend money, that you network with pedophiles who make child porn, and shit like that. I can't imagine unless there's just places that just post that shit up that there's ways you could view that without harming someone. Not to mention anyone who provides child pornography that you view, by not reporting it, you could be considered to be causing harm by allowing child pornographers to function freely. Kind of like how you're obligated to report murder or child abuse or rape or shit like that.[/QUOTE]
this makes me wonder how many people go out looking for cp to satisfy their urges but report everything they find to cover their tracks or something
[QUOTE=Sand Castle;48151965]children are involved in the making of child pornography[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]CP is illegal, because it's videos of kids getting fucked (which is illegal). For the people watching it, on top of being... well, fucked up, it's kinda like finding a dead body and not telling the police about it.[/QUOTE]
Yes I know and it should stay illegal, it is horrible that people make it and gross that other people watches it but the point I'm trying to make is: has the person watching it really done anything wrong?
Sex with a child is not only gross but wrong because even if it is "consensual" they are not old enough to realize what they are doing. Looking at something however, even if it is gross and horrible that it exists, is as far as I can tell a victim-less crime. I mean I find gay porn gross (not on the same level ofc) but I don't think it is wrong for someone to look at it. (or be gay for that matter but that is beside the point.)
[editline]8th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48152082]While the viewing of child porn despite being fucked up I guess doesn't directly harm someone in and of itself, aren't these kinds of things usually paid for and promoted among small circles on the deep web or some shit?
Viewing CP I think would probably require that you spend money, that you network with pedophiles who make child porn, and shit like that. I can't imagine unless there's just places that just post that shit up that there's ways you could view that without harming someone. Not to mention anyone who provides child pornography that you view, by not reporting it, you could be considered to be causing harm by allowing child pornographers to function freely. Kind of like how you're obligated to report murder or child abuse or rape or shit like that.[/QUOTE]
I've never though about it like that before but if you are funding the sickos making it you should definitely get punished.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;48151942]Yeah it is a pretty stupid way of handling it really. Also if we look at this objectively, what harm has he done? I mean I personally find his behavior gross and if he is a danger to other people we absolutely need to do something about it but does him looking at child pornography automatically make him a child molester? Even if he is attracted to children he is still a human being capable of controlling his urges with willpower. This is definitely a warning flag but just because someone watches a certain type of porn it doesn't mean he is going to act it out in real life.[/QUOTE]
"What harm has he done"
He's supported the production of child pornography, so that more stuff like this is made for people like him. He should seek help, but saying he's done no harm isn't exactly right.
Why Gaben....I guess that explains why most expensive hats/guns are owned by kids.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48152650]"What harm has he done"
He's supported the production of child pornography, so that more stuff like this is made for people like him. He should seek help, but saying he's done no harm isn't exactly right.[/QUOTE]
I agree, if the watcher provides monetary support he is contributing to the problem and should be punished, I hadn't considered that when I wrote the other post.
Looking at child porn is completely fucked up. The worst kind of abuse a kid can endure is to be forced to have sex with some creepy old man while being filmed and that video will then be sold to other creepy old men to satisfy their selfish urges. Also those kids will most likely be scarred psychologically and even physically. The guy should have gotten help, no doubt but I think he and his actions don't deserve to be defended
Based on that logic I suppose he'd think it acceptable to sexually abuse a random kid because he doesn't know them.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;48151942]Yeah it is a pretty stupid way of handling it really. Also if we look at this objectively, what harm has he done? I mean I personally find his behavior gross and if he is a danger to other people we absolutely need to do something about it but does him looking at child pornography automatically make him a child molester? Even if he is attracted to children he is still a human being capable of controlling his urges with willpower. This is definitely a warning flag but just because someone watches a certain type of porn it doesn't mean he is going to act it out in real life.[/QUOTE]
I guess the prison time is a consequence of encouraging the production of CP by viewing it. Sounds like he's a non-violent paedophile and cognizant that it's morally wrong however so honestly I actually feel kind of bad for him. Pretty sure non-violent paedophiles like this case have an extremely higher suicide rate than violent offenders.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48152152]i like how he is trying to cut a deal with the cops because they aren't local girls. i mean i guess that is less illegal because he didn't actually hurt any kids but it really doesn't change that he was looking at real, honest-to-god CP[/QUOTE]
It sounded more like "oh god oh god I'm going to jail please can't we find another solution" to me, not an honest considered belief that yes that totally makes everything okay.
[QUOTE]this makes me wonder how many people go out looking for cp to satisfy their urges but report everything they find to cover their tracks or something[/QUOTE]
Or because of feelings of guilt/shame.
[QUOTE=maeZtro;48152172]Yes I know and it should stay illegal, it is horrible that people make it and gross that other people watches it but the point I'm trying to make is: has the person watching it really done anything wrong?
Sex with a child is not only gross but wrong because even if it is "consensual" they are not old enough to realize what they are doing. Looking at something however, even if it is gross and horrible that it exists, is as far as I can tell a victim-less crime. I mean I find gay porn gross (not on the same level ofc) but I don't think it is wrong for someone to look at it. (or be gay for that matter but that is beside the point.)
[editline]8th July 2015[/editline]
I've never though about it like that before but if you are funding the sickos making it you should definitely get punished.[/QUOTE]
Article says this guy got it on P2P, so he probably didn't pay for anything, but he did contribute to its distribution by sharing it.
While you are right that in the general case, if someone is only passively viewing it, they're not hurting anyone by doing that, consider that viewing things on the Internet isn't really passive. If you download something on a filesharing site and make the download count go up, that alone can be the validation that makes the uploader share or even create more. Even if there's no public download count, the uploader might still get a private one.
And even if that's not the case: the faint knowledge that someone, somewhere is jerking off to those pictures is a source of pain for the victims. While no individual viewer is responsible for that, nor could they prevent it, the knowledge that it is being done still has that effect. And I'd imagine the victims would feel much worse if [I]it wasn't even illegal[/I].
I bet he was using Limewire or something equally stupid, they showed up at his house saying "We know you've been using Limewire to share CP" and that's when he admitted it. It's not 'real' to him in the same way some rapists don't think a certain kind of rape is 'real' rape. It's not like he paid for it, it's not like he produced it, it's not like he could ever touch these kids, so what's the big deal? I'm sure that's what he means.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48152650]"What harm has he done"
He's supported the production of child pornography, so that more stuff like this is made for people like him. He should seek help, but saying he's done no harm isn't exactly right.[/QUOTE]
Don't CP producers not make it for the demand?, like don't they make it because they want to/have a fetish for it?
[QUOTE=eirexe;48153559]Don't CP producers not make it for the demand?, like don't they make it because they want to/have a fetish for it?[/QUOTE]
There can be many reasons.
Some are probably only in it for the money.
But of those who aren't, those who actually enjoy it, there are probably also some who wouldn't do it, or wouldn't do it as much, or at least wouldn't share it, if they didn't get some sort of recognition for it, or access to some secret sharing society.
I mean, you see this with any legal, uhm, "creative pursuit", so why not CP too? I don't have statistics backing it up but it sounds pretty plausible.
I'd love to send an email to Gabe with this picture.
"Wow, you made it on the news man!"
[QUOTE=Episode;48153695]I'd love to send an email to Gabe with this picture.
"Wow, you made it on the news man!"[/QUOTE]
That may've sounded funny in your head, but it really isn't. And I'm just letting you know before you do something you'll regret.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;48153734]That may've sounded funny in your head, but it really isn't. And I'm just letting you know before you do something you'll regret.[/QUOTE] I actually wouldn't do it but still, the idea sounded funny to me.
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