Gay Marriage Could Bring Shifts in Republican Race - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Omali;33442197]I admire Ron Paul because he knows his beliefs and sticks with them, rather than being the flavor of the month. His ideas are utter shit and only work on paper, and the guy is completely fucking nuts, but he sticks by his insane ideas.[/QUOTE] Ron Paul is an evangelist xenophobic homophobic moron that has a few good ideas here and there. Yeah, I'd pick him over the latest Republican shithead but the internet in general needs to stop licking his old saggy balls because he isn't the equivalent of the second coming of Christ in politics.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33458157]um well wealth is relative and capitalism puts most of the wealth in the hands of a small few so overall, capitalism causes more people to become less wealthy[/QUOTE] Yes but other systems (mercantilism, socialism, etc.) produce much less wealth overall. The poor in Capitalism are richer than the poor in other systems.

[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;33458302]Yes but other systems (mercantilism, socialism, etc.) produce much less wealth overall. The poor in Capitalism are richer than the poor in other systems.[/QUOTE] The poor in Capitalism are richer than the poor in Socialism? Pretty sure that is factually untrue by the definition of each system, considering that Capitalism promotes individual growth no matter who you need to best, and Socialism promotes cooperation and reduction/eventual of income inequality.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33458361]The poor in Capitalism are richer than the poor in Socialism? Pretty sure that is factually untrue by the definition of each system, considering that Capitalism promotes individual growth no matter who you need to best, and Socialism promotes cooperation and reduction/eventual of income inequality.[/QUOTE] Compare wealth in the USSR with the USA at the time.

[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;33458370]Compare wealth in the USSR with the USA at the time.[/QUOTE] A totalitarian dictatorship that didn't even bother to follow the base tenants of Socialism [B]or[/B] Communism? No thanks.

[QUOTE=Extroll;33451093] 2. Gay people need to work on their PR a little more. It doesn't make straight people exactly comfortable when they see gay pride parades that look like Ke$ha threw up nyan cat after a drunken misadventure.[/QUOTE] I'll tell my gay friend so he can bring it up at the next gay PR meeting!!!

[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;33458370]Compare wealth in the USSR with the USA at the time.[/QUOTE] please describe one way, just one, in which the USSR was socialist or communist

[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;33458370]Compare wealth in the USSR with the USA at the time.[/QUOTE] heh compare Scandinavia with the USA. and you know the USA isn't a very capitalistic country. france supposedly has more economic freedom for businesses lol.

[QUOTE=XxTheAvengerxX;33458302]Yes but other systems (mercantilism, socialism, etc.) produce much less wealth overall. The poor in Capitalism are richer than the poor in other systems.[/QUOTE] "wealth overall" can pretty much always be described as "1" since it's relative and capitalism gives .4 to 1% of the population while the other 99% gets to fight over the remaining .6

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33458477]A totalitarian dictatorship that didn't even bother to follow the base tenants of Socialism [B]or[/B] Communism? No thanks.[/QUOTE] It was reforming itself into actual communism/socialism and trying to improve the USSR as a whole in the two decades immediately after Stalin's death, but by the early 1970s they had failed to reform properly and ended up in economic stagnation. After Krushchev retired he shouted into a recorder at his home about [i]"Paradise, is a place where people want to end up, not a place they run from. What kind of socialism is that? What kind of shit is that, when you have to keep people in chains? What kind of social order? What kind of paradise?"[/i]

[QUOTE=Omali;33440672]GOP: Greedy Old Pricks. It's easy to distance yourself from the things minorities do for rights when you've spent all your life as a crock pot of the majority: White, male, upper middle class Christian heterosexual.[/QUOTE] [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/795329/Pictures/reaction%20images/old%20men.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Omali;33440672]GOP: Greedy Old Pricks. It's easy to distance yourself from the things minorities do for rights when you've spent all your life as a crock pot of the majority: White, male, upper middle class Christian heterosexual.[/QUOTE] You forgot cisgendered.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33452391]if someone has a problem with colorful, naked men then they're already homophobes dude[/QUOTE] I would have a problem with colorful, naked men, but I'm not a homophobe. So then where do we go from here?

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;33466034]I would have a problem with colorful, naked men, but I'm not a homophobe. So then where do we go from here?[/QUOTE] sexual insecurity like that is a sign of homophobia

depends on the situation bro. if there were colourful, naked men in my living room i'd have a couple of questions.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33468368]depends on the situation bro. if there were colourful, naked men in my living room i'd have a couple of questions.[/QUOTE] how about you tell us what the questions are.

"why are you in my living room?" ???

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33487040]"why are you in my living room?" ???[/QUOTE] "Why are you wearing my clothes?"

The only part of their idiotic statement that's somewhat relevant is the child issue. I have several friends who have parents who have turned gay/lesbian early on in their childhood and another few that have been adopted by gay couples, and they've had varying degrees of social problems resulting from it that they never quite got over. We all know that kids that are different from everyone else in school are the ones who get kicked to the bottom of the totem pole and are the prime subjects for ridicule, abuse and bullying. This was a major issue for some of my friends, and could be for any other kid. Certain regions of the country are extremely hostile towards gays, and even resort to violence, so you have to take this into account in situations like that. Not that their situations would be guaranteed to any other kid with gay parents, but the risk is definitely there. I'm a conservative and I support gay marriage, but the issue with the children being adopted by gay couples should be addressed with something like available counseling for the child if necessary.

[QUOTE=bohb;33487374]The only part of their idiotic statement that's somewhat relevant is the child issue. I have several friends who have parents who have turned gay/lesbian early on in their childhood and another few that have been adopted by gay couples, and they've had varying degrees of social problems resulting from it that they never quite got over. We all know that kids that are different from everyone else in school are the ones who get kicked to the bottom of the totem pole and are the prime subjects for ridicule, abuse and bullying. This was a major issue for some of my friends, and could be for any other kid. Certain regions of the country are extremely hostile towards gays, and even resort to violence, so you have to take this into account in situations like that. Not that their situations would be guaranteed to any other kid with gay parents, but the risk is definitely there. I'm a conservative and I support gay marriage, but the issue with the children being adopted by gay couples should be addressed with something like available counseling for the child if necessary.[/QUOTE] That's a problem with America's Educational system, or the lack thereof. I've had plenty of classmates and friends from all around the country who had two dads or two moms, none got picked on. Hell even coming out as gay during puberty here is basically applauded.

[QUOTE=Miskav;33487827]That's a problem with America's Educational system, or the lack thereof. I've had plenty of classmates and friends from all around the country who had two dads or two moms, none got picked on. Hell even coming out as gay during puberty here is basically applauded.[/QUOTE] Having two sets of parents is much more common than you would think.

If gay marriage can shift the Republican race perhaps gays can shift Republicans to race to marriage with Republican gays who oppose gay marriage until they marry the republican gays because they race to marriage with Republican gays who oppose gay marriage until they marry the republican gays because they race to marriage with Republican gays? [editline]29th November 2011[/editline] What the shit did I just say

The funny thing is that as far as I'm aware all arguments against same-sex marriage are based on religion. This ignores the fact the bible does not specifically state that a marriage can only happen between a man and a woman, nor does it specifically prohibit anything of the sorts. As always, it is open to interpretation and the bible-thumpers present their interpretation as fact. Within Christianity and its many different churches there's quite a few churches who openly support same-sex marriages making the whole "it's against god" argument quite shaky. Unitarian Universalism supports same-sex marriage and actively campaigns to have it allowed. Several Judaists support it, including several orthodox Rabbis. All in all, banning same-sex marriages is in direct violation of Freedom of Religion - a basic human right - as there are religions that allow it and banning same-sex marriage effectively suppresses part of their religion. This means that any country/state that bans same-sex marriages is in direct violation of Human Rights.

[QUOTE=bohb;33487374]The only part of their idiotic statement that's somewhat relevant is the child issue. I have several friends who have parents who have turned gay/lesbian early on in their childhood and another few that have been adopted by gay couples, and they've had varying degrees of social problems resulting from it that they never quite got over. We all know that kids that are different from everyone else in school are the ones who get kicked to the bottom of the totem pole and are the prime subjects for ridicule, abuse and bullying. This was a major issue for some of my friends, and could be for any other kid. Certain regions of the country are extremely hostile towards gays, and even resort to violence, so you have to take this into account in situations like that. Not that their situations would be guaranteed to any other kid with gay parents, but the risk is definitely there. I'm a conservative and I support gay marriage, but the issue with the children being adopted by gay couples should be addressed with something like available counseling for the child if necessary.[/QUOTE] You know the exact same thing happens in some places with black people. But just because racism is still around doesn't mean we should ban black couples from having children.

I have trouble understanding how anybody could still be "debating" this. It seems to me that there is only one morally acceptable course of action here, and it's the outright abolishment of gay marriage. Seriously, though, why is this still an issue of contention? Same-sex relationships are every bit as valid as heterosexual relationships. Hell, even if you [I]don't[/I] think that same-sex relationships are valid, who the hell are you to argue that your personal prejudices should influence the legal rights of any other person? Homosexuals are only asking that they receive the same legal rights, privileges, and protections granted to all other married couples in the United States. Asking to be legally recognized as a "person in a committed lifelong relationship" doesn't seem to be too demanding a request to me.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;33491296]Seriously, though, why is this still an issue of contention?[/QUOTE] Leviticus 20:13. [quote]If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.[/quote] [SUP][SUB](New International translation)[/SUB][/SUP]

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;33491496]Leviticus 20:13. [SUP][SUB](New International translation)[/SUB][/SUP][/QUOTE] Religion isn't nearly important enough for it to influence a stranger's life. Whatever you want to believe your sky wizard wants you to do is fine and dandy, but keep your fantasies out of legislation please. Thank you to all religious folks.

[QUOTE=Miskav;33491587]Religion isn't nearly important enough for it to influence a stranger's life. Whatever you want to believe your sky wizard wants you to do is fine and dandy, but keep your fantasies out of legislation please. Thank you to all religious folks.[/QUOTE] Tell that to America. [editline]29th November 2011[/editline] I mean all of America by the way, not just the States.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;33452391]if someone has a problem with colorful, naked men then they're already homophobes dude[/QUOTE] I'm bisexual and have a boyfriend. We don't prance around and grab each others ass's every chance we get. [editline]30th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DOG-GY;33452550]what about how hypersexualized heterosexuality is in the media you're being hypocritical[/QUOTE] No? I don't appreciate that either, personally.