Nintendo's stock plunges more than 15 percent after sales forecasts were slashed from 9 million to 2
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[QUOTE=darkzero226;43576856]The Wii U is Gamecube 2. Whether people would like to admit it or not. It's as close as you're going to get.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember the Gamecube having an annoying touchpad screen controller gimmick
Maybe if they weren't so optimistic and banking on the previous success of the Wii, they would be in a better position.
I really don't feel any sympathy towards Nintendo. They are a great company, and I've been a supportive user for years, but they really need to get with the times.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43576390]The PS2 didn't launch into this economy, however. From a pure engineering and gamer attraction end, I think the PS4 does appear to be Sony engineering itself for a second PS2 Golden Age, but consumers have to open their wallets in droves for that to happen.
It's possible, but it's not a clincher, that's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but the economy isn't so bad that almost nobody can afford products like this. Also consider the fact how much the population of the world has increased during that time, and how much more certain countries have developed. I think a 9 million estimate is reasonable, but people just don't want it because it's not a superior product.
There's just no market for the Wii-U. The casual market that made the Wii a success has moved on to smartphones, and most core gamers prefer the PC, PS4 or the Xb1. The only market for the Wii-U are big dedicated Nintendo fans, but a console can't survive on diehards alone.
Btw nintendo said this same thing just saying.
this sort of kick in the pants in exactly what the company needed imo
nintendo has this attitude about them that they're untouchable and that most of their problems will just work themselves out
hopefully now they'll realize that shit isn't going to work anymore and they'll get their act in gear with marketing the Wii U and producing more games for it instead of just sittin back and assuming it'll work out
what the company needs to do is to go in to full-on desperation hype mode and start churning out trailers for big-name titles in the Western market. Show me a mind-blowing trailer for Zelda and make a teaser for a new Metroid game
if Nintendo doesn't pull a huge show at E3 this year I dunno what'll happen to them.
Watch sales boom as soon as the new Smash Bros comes out
[QUOTE=Makol;43576854]This is why Nintendo needs to change up their staff, or actually listen to their fans for once.[/QUOTE]
Maybe more F-Zero and Starfox titles? [t]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/t]
They should give more of their major IPs to western developers to mix things up from an external perspective. Maybe for a laugh do a Mario reboot featuring 90's sarcastic Brooklyn plumber Mario.
e3 will be another disappointment. don't get your hopes up
[QUOTE=Oizen;43576895]I don't remember the Gamecube having an annoying touchpad screen controller gimmick[/QUOTE]
You act as if it's tacked on like most early Wii games were with motion controls. Which is completely false because it can be used in a different number of ways other than just a touchscreen. Plus, they at least give you different options for control styles this time around. Most people complained when Nintendo "refused" to give people the option to play with a regular controller for most of their other games. But most of Nintendo's Wii U lineup allows you to be able to play with a Pro controller or even just a Wii Classic Controller.
[QUOTE=Oizen;43576803]But Nintendo's First party IPs have consisted of nothing but Mario Zelda Pokemon for a while now.
No other IPs get any sort of love unless Miyamoto wills it.
I mean who on earth remembers the last Star Fox or F-zero game?
Hell my favorite Nintendo series, Metroid is pretty neglected too.[/QUOTE]
Star Fox and F-Zero don't sell. At all. Metroid pretty much bombs anywhere other than the US and you expect them to keep wasting funds for games that hardly make a profit? Even with Nintendo's game quality, they're still a business. At least Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon consistently sell and can maintain those sales for years after release. It's been 4 years since Other M came out and all of a sudden Metroid is "neglected?" Please. It had sequels coming out every 3 years along with the re-release on Wii and then Other M about 1 or 2 years later. That's not "neglected." Nor does it prove that Nintendo's other IPs get no love unless "Miyamoto wills it." The sales numbers on those games don't lie, so you can spin this "if (x) was on Wii U it would make consoles fly off the shelves!!" rhetoric all you want. But it simply has no real bearing and is just wishful thinking on your part, because numerous attempts to bring these IPs back to life were already done in the Gamecube/GBA era and none of it helped a bit.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;43577193]At least Gamecube had a market. There's just no market for the Wii-U. The casual market moved on to smartphones, and core gamers have PC, PS4 or the Xb1. The only market for the Wii-U are big dedicated Nintendo fans.
People treat Nintendo like a religion and any criticism of Nintendo extremely offends everyone which is ridiculous. It's just a brand..[/QUOTE]
What market? It got ignored completely. Even though everyone here has fond memories of the Gamecube, even the games that everyone is fond of reminiscing about didn't sell very well and lot of the games for it got ignored or heavily criticized for stupid reasons until people suddenly realized those games were "great all along" years later and suddenly the Gamecube was "the greatest system ever." Hell, most of the games everyone loves were pretty mediocre to begin with.
In this case, certain Nintendo fans really are too "nostalgic" for their own good, and it's not the ones who normally get that accused of being too nostalgic for their own good. Hell, if you're really going to throw down the "Nintendo just makes games that rely on nostalgia" argument then don't fucking bother saying right after that Nintendo should make a sequel to (x!) or a game similar to (y!) because that's just idiotic.
And before anyone starts to twist anything I just said around, I loved the Gamecube, and still do. But if you think that the Gamecube was Nintendo's last good system or whatever, then go back and think on those years for a long time with no rose tinted glasses. Because those years were anything but good. The software droughts were worse and even though it didn't seem like it, [URL="http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=738829"]the Wii had way, way more games than Gamecube did[/URL] and a lot of those were just as good if not better than the games on Gamecube, and there was a way more varied selection on the Wii, too. And no, most of those weren't "casual" games, either. A lot of them were just as good as every other Wii game that was received well. But most people seem intent on saying "Wii Nintendo was the worst Nintendo" because of this reason or that reason and none of you seem to realize that this is what was going on with the Gamecube too. "Gamecube Nintendo is the worst Nintendo" because it's "too kiddy" or "its not as powerful as xbox/doesn't have as many games as the ps2."
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43576986]Sorry but the economy isn't so bad that almost nobody can afford products like this. Also consider the fact how much the population of the world has increased during that time, and how much more certain countries have developed. I think a 9 million estimate is reasonable, but people just don't want it because it's not a superior product.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the economy is still kinda bad. Not bad enough as it was years ago, but still bad enough for some people to not want to spend that much on anything. Keep in mind that Wii/Xbox/PS3 launched in a better economy and of the three, Wii was cheaper. But also keep in mind that in the first few months/years of a system's launch, generally the only people who actually buy these systems near launch are hardcore gamers. It took years for Xbox 360 and PS3 to really catch on with everyone else, and by then it had already been 4-5 years that after those systems had launched. (and generally a console's life cycle would've ended right then and there, or at least a 1 or 2 after.)
Needless to say it'll be interesting to see how all 3 end up doing as the generation goes on, because it might be possible that even the Console market has shrunk. Japan's console market has pretty much faltered in the past year or so as people started going more towards handhelds and smartphones. People in the US buy consoles to play games on - but then there's people like parents who buy it for these consoles for their kids and I guess people who bought it to use as a netflix machine or something like that. But keep in mind that since then, the same services that are on these consoles are also on smartphones or on individual devices that specialize in that specific medium (like the Roku) which are cheaper or can at least do a number of functions that justify the cost. This is why you have stuff like the Xbox One with all of it's multimedia features and services, because at least then the average consumer has a reason to want to buy/pay for these things. The average consumer might not even be a gamer, so a huge cost for something which has maybe one or two features you want to see, but one main feature you probably won't ever use can hardly be justified.
Perfect opportunity for Sega to silently creep back into the console market. They could call it the [I]Blaze[/I] or something.
[QUOTE=mralexs;43577915]Watch sales boom as soon as the new Smash Bros comes out[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm holding out for if the 3DS version sucks.
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[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;43579437]Perfect opportunity for Sega to silently creep back into the console market. They could call it the [I]Blaze[/I] or something.[/QUOTE]
Dreamcatcher
[QUOTE=mralexs;43577915]Watch sales boom as soon as the new Smash Bros comes out[/QUOTE]
People won't need to buy a WiiU to get the next Smash, there's also a 3DS version being released. Also I'm honestly not convinced it'll sell better than Brawl did.
nintendo was amazingly stupid to think it would hold the casual market with the insane growth of smartphone/tablet "gaming" and this is the result, still 3DS will keep nintendo afloat, hopefully they'll learn their lesson the next time.
Nintendo: stop fucking around and put some decent first party down. Two Super Mario sidescrollers are already out before you've even launched a 3D Mario, Zelda, or even Star Fox/Metroid/F-Zero title. And sweet fucking jesus hurry up on Smash Bros, that game will sell more Wii Us than anything ever.
Keep this shit up and they'll be talking about the Wii U like it was the Dreamcast.
Nintendo is sleeping in on the times and if they don't bring up something radical they gonna keep withering and end up having to cut down until they fall into obscurity.
Wii publicity carrier was motion controls which regardless of if actual players liked them or not, created a shitload of publicity because it was hot and new.
Thing is, Xbone has better motion controls out of the box and you can buy them as accessory for PS4 at launch as well. WiiUs new gimmick was meant to be a tablet and they just missed with that because tablets are everywhere today and nobody really gives a shit, so WiiU is just another Wii of the generation in that it can't compete with the processing power of the competition, not even remotely, and that hugely limits the very kinds of games people want to develop on it.
Meanwhile 3DS is vegetating in the slowly dying handheld market and while it's doing far better than Vita, it probably won't save it from getting cannibalized by the evergrowing android/iOS market that offers the developers a platform already present on far bigger demographic, and afaik at least in case of Android the royalties the market asks the developers for is minimal, dunno about iOS but I would expect that to be lower as well than for Nintendo so yeah.
Outside of established ones, developers see both Nintendo consoles as less and less appealing platforms to develop on since they can't provide the processing power which allows for broader (and lazier) implementations, or the demographical access of "everyone and their grandma will be able to buy and play your game and we won't ask you for royalties" so yeah. That leads to very few 3rd party releases, that leads to even less people buying the consoles, and you can see a kind of spiral of death.
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Pretty much every hardcore gamer dismissed this game as a furry simulator because of the cat suit. But it's actually really good. I would buy a wii u if there were more games of this quality.
[QUOTE=Oizen;43576895]I don't remember the Gamecube having an annoying touchpad screen controller gimmick[/QUOTE]
Let me guess, you have never tried the controller before.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;43582095]Let me guess, you have never tried the controller before.[/QUOTE]
The controller is honestly the wii u's biggest downfall. It's overpriced, and not enough games put it to good use.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;43576581]The Gamecube quickly rebounded after nearly a year, though.
It tied the Xbox in market share, and was supported by third party devs up until about 2007.[/QUOTE]
Here is a sale's graph that contradicts your claim:
[img]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/Starmenclock/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps0dc6bae4.jpg[/img]
surely shigeru's new IP will help the wii u
If only they didn't stop the Metroid Prime series, especially with the ending of 3 with the mystery ship.
I don't have a WiiU but I bought a wii months before MP3 was released, just because I knew there was gonna be an MP3. I'd buy a WiiU if there was gonna be another Prime game.
The screen thing is perfect for it- scanning, shooting, the ability to switch weapons like in Hunters, there's a load of possibilities there that they could take advantage of. It's kind of like a DS except the screens aren't attached and that they're much bigger.
They need to come back to metroid and not deal with any 'other M' kind of stuff. Shove that shit back to retro studios pls.
Honestly while the Wii U is a dud I think the company is going to be fine. Seems like an excellent time to buy stock into nintendo if you ask me :v:
Nintendo has enough money in its coffers to where they could modestly fail at making a console 3 times in a row and not go bankrupt. You guys forget that for Nintendo, every console sold is sold at a profit and the large majority of titles sold for their stuff are all first party as well. This means that they are still making bank, even if their sales are lackluster and their product isn't taking the world by storm. And even if this does end up with a loss on their side (from the the money spent into developing Wii U and promoting it), they have so much money left over from the Wii that they could literally survive as a company doing exactly what they are right now for 10 years before they go kaput.
I have faith that their next console isn't going to be some colossal fuckup. And hopefully while they are at it they either start creating new first party IP's or using their whole portfolio isn't of relying on the same old things over and over again. Part of the reason why stuff like the SNES and N64 were successes had to do with their strong variety of strong IP's on their platform.
[QUOTE=Rageguy;43582196]surely shigeru's new IP will help the wii u[/QUOTE]
Do new IPs even sell? The Wonderful 101 was great but the sales are dogshit for it
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;43581948]Pretty much every hardcore gamer dismissed this game as a furry simulator because of the cat suit. But it's actually really good. I would buy a wii u if there were more games of this quality.[/QUOTE]
Lmao no one dismissed it as a furry simulator?
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;43581948]Pretty much every hardcore gamer dismissed this game as a furry simulator because of the cat suit. But it's actually really good. I would buy a wii u if there were more games of this quality.[/QUOTE]
After all the mediocre NSMB games, I didn't have high hopes for this, but I was really surprised how good it was.
Maybe if they didn't make gimmicky consoles and shitty Zelda games and unoriginal Mario games they wouldn't be going through this
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Seriously, who wants to replay wind waker with slightly nicer graphics do something in the style of super Mario sunshine or luigi's mansion where you get some originality. The new Mario game looks cool but it's still touting signs of those stupid 2D games
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Seriously, who wants to replay wind waker with slightly nicer graphics[/QUOTE]
[url]http://wiiudaily.com/2013/10/wind-waker-hd-sales/[/url]
A lot of people do.
[editline]18th January 2014[/editline]
Not nearly as much as Smash Bros and unique Mario games, but you know
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;43581948]Pretty much every hardcore gamer dismissed this game as a furry simulator because of the cat suit. But it's actually really good. I would buy a wii u if there were more games of this quality.[/QUOTE]
Played that game
Utterly mediocre for me to be honest.
Nothing noteworthy
It'd be nice if they innovated instead of recreating the same mario/zelda games with slightly better graphics, it's more rampent than COD, its like every year theres a new mario kart, mario bros with the exact same gameplay as before.
Creating some iconic game characters and soley depending on them to sell your consoles and fuel your company for years will only get you so far.
Edit: fanboys lol
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