'Euthanize' autistic teen for being 'nuisance,' says anonymous letter - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41907293]Do you think they'd still have their kid if they knew he'd be severely autistic? This is what we're talking about, not murder, but prevention. Abortion isn't murder, is it?[/QUOTE] OK so now apparently autistic children are not only costly and stress-inducing, but also unlovable.

[QUOTE=Slowbro;41907327]OK so now apparently autistic children are not only costly and stress-inducing, but also unlovable.[/QUOTE] Dude...I didn't say that, anywhere. Most people in the world would make the hard decision to abort their child if they knew it would have down's, birth defects, or severe autism. I don't see why they wouldn't, abortion doesn't take away a life, it just prevents a consciousness from being trapped in an unfortunate body. It would be for the best, but of course, if someone does want to have an autistic child for the fun of it, then go for it...but do you really think anyone would choose to have an autistic child?

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907300]Case and point. You haven't even read my beliefs before insulting me for them. I recognize how important these children are to their families, and I've stated multiple times I do not want or think they should be euthanized.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907090]So you can say it's perfectly alright to question people's opinions while [B]you support the guy who is telling me I deserve to be shot after making false accusations and completely neglecting to correctly portray what I've been saying.[/B] Seriously? So it's alright to question my opinion, but I can't question yours?[/QUOTE]I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said this. [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41907345]Dude...I didn't say that, anywhere. Most people in the world would make the hard decision to abort their child if they knew it would have down's, birth defects, or severe autism. I don't see why they wouldn't, abortion doesn't take away a life, it just prevents a consciousness from being trapped in an unfortunate body. It would be for the best, but of course, if someone does want to have an autistic child for the fun of it, then go for it...[B]but do you really think anyone would choose to have an autistic child?[/B][/QUOTE]Many people don't care, they're just happy to have a child. What should they do otherwise? Have a child, find out that it may be autistic, abort it, then have another go at it? What if the next child has autisim, should they keep on trying until they get "lucky"?

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907249]So the studies done for the Department of Education and the facts presented by a man with a doctorate in Biology on the health detriments of caring for a mentally retarded child isn't worth shit. I'd like to see you tell that man that. - Mentally Retarded children cost more to care for. FACT. - Caring for a mentally retarded child is stressful and costly for their families. FACT. But, I'm a tool because you don't like the facts I've presented. Your moral opinion is clearly superior. [/QUOTE] So I should be euthanized or aborted because I cost more to look after, that's really nice.

[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41903090]jesus christ this thread's a fucking disgrace and idiots like lambda and the morons that are protecting this dumb bitch are even worse.[/QUOTE] No one is protecting her, learn to read The main argument is that she, whether or not the course of action she suggested is viable or even right, there is still an understandable reason to be upset, and if the loudness of the kid is disturbing her, it is probably disturbing the other neighbors too

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41907293]Do you think they'd still have their kid if they knew he'd be severely autistic? This is what we're talking about, not murder, but prevention. Abortion isn't murder, is it?[/QUOTE] prevention at a very early stage is fine. getting rid of the child past where it would be the limit for abortion is disgusting. [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bazsil;41907414]No one is protecting her, learn to read The main argument is that she, whether or not the course of action she suggested is viable or even right, there is still reason for her to be upset[/QUOTE] well, no one but two

[QUOTE=Killer900;41907357]I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said this. Many people don't care, they're just happy to have a child. What should they do otherwise? Have a child, find out that it may be autistic, abort it, then have another go at it? What if the next child has autisim, should they keep on trying until they get "lucky"?[/QUOTE] I don't think you're right. I don't think anyone would be okay with having a child with any sort of mental defect, maybe that's just me, but I would not want to have a kid that I have to pretty much end my life just so that I can take care of my kid, that isn't a future anyone wants.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907447]Why? Because society says so? It's a week old, it's not even lucid and capable of thought. We can euthanize thousands of dogs every year but we can't do this?[/QUOTE] ok before you had just a tiny crumb of credibility (maybe an atom), now you have none. you are a terrible human being

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907447]Why? Because society says so? It's a week old, it's not even lucid and capable of thought. We can euthanize thousands of dogs every year but we can't do this?[/QUOTE] You're never going to get anywhere with this on Facepunch

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41907435]prevention at a very early stage is fine. getting rid of the child past where it would be the limit for abortion is disgusting. [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] well, no one but two[/QUOTE] I agree, as I even said earlier that I don't think that killing a baby is okay, I just don't think it's alright, I just can't bring myself to support it. They're still a life, they're too far, I don't know. All I'm really arguing is prenatal screening and abortions, hopefully they can figure out how to detect defects super early so we don't have to be waiting until the baby is pretty developed to figure out the bad news...

euthanization is not the same as abortion, I'd just like to clarify this this thread is absolutely terrible though. It's really just a shithole right now. I should just adblock it to not listen to the maddening opinions of one party and the exaggerations of another. The "Smart" decision isn't always the right one.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41907345]Dude...I didn't say that, anywhere. Most people in the world would make the hard decision to abort their child if they knew it would have down's, birth defects, or severe autism. I don't see why they wouldn't, abortion doesn't take away a life, it just prevents a consciousness from being trapped in an unfortunate body. It would be for the best, but of course, if someone does want to have an autistic child for the fun of it, then go for it...but do you really think anyone would choose to have an autistic child?[/QUOTE] Aborting a kid just because it has mental health issues is basically just you saying "Hey, you didn't turn out perfect like I wanted you to, so I'm going to kill you now just to save me some stress later, OK bye". If you honestly don't have any moral qualms with that, then go right ahead and abort your autistic fetus. It's a shitty thing to do, but hey, it's your choice.

[QUOTE=Genericenemy;41907391]So I should be euthanized or aborted because I cost more to look after, that's really nice.[/QUOTE] No one is advocating murdering you, this is a delicate situation and I want you to understand that I mean no disrespect. But I do support aborting fetuses with defects, it's a hard decision, but I (and/or other parents) shouldn't have to sacrifice their life plans and goals just because you don't think it's okay to abort a non-human.

[QUOTE=J!NX;41907482]euthanization is not the same as abortion, I'd just like to clarify this this thread is absolutely terrible though. It's really just a shithole right now. I should just adblock it to not listen to the maddening opinions of one party and the exaggerations of another.[/QUOTE] i know? finalhunter literally just said we should murder week old children because of mental defects. i think he knows the difference very well too [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907492]You can't get anywhere with anything on Facepunch. Everyone has their own beliefs and everyone thinks that they're right and everyone else is wrong. I'm a fool for thinking I could possibly have any sort of mature conversation with another person in this thread. I admit that I may be wrong. I admit that my beliefs can be construed as offensive and sick, but that doesn't mean anything to anyone here because they're "right" and I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] stop trying to take the high ground here, you're more of a tool than anyone else on facepunch because guess what, as a collective, we disagree with you. don't enact some victim complex when you know fine and rightly what you say is controversial

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41907495]i know? finalhunter literally just said we should murder week old children because of mental defects. i think he knows the difference very well too[/QUOTE] he should seriously realize that once they are born it's no longer an abortion. You can't just euthanize people based on an illness, that is going to have to be their decision. Abortion is completely different. not saying anyone here is saying this, but anyone who actually believes its ok to euthanize someone (even if a newborn) because they have something like autism, which you can only really spot a little later on anyways, (Unless its an aboslutely debilitating physical or mental illness that causes pain for them), is insane. You can't tell how well treatment will work, there are just too many variables. Most autistic children just NEED tender love and care and they grow up well, thats it. The only time to get a Chris Chan is if you don't do it at all.

[QUOTE=Slowbro;41907489]Aborting a kid just because it has mental health issues is basically just you saying "Hey, you didn't turn out perfect like I wanted you to, so I'm going to kill you now just to save me some stress later, OK bye". If you honestly don't have any moral qualms with that, then go right ahead and abort your autistic fetus. It's a shitty thing to do, but hey, it's your choice.[/QUOTE] I don't think you have a grip on reality man, you really don't seem to understand. Like I said, it isn't just "a little stress", it is life ruining in a lot of cases. It is legitimately job quitting, future plans OVER, life ruining. I know it's sad, I'm not disagreeing, but it is just honestly worse to force that situation on people, thus why I think abortion is fine.

euthanization is only euthanization if the client is in pain. most people with mental disorders are not in pain, they are capable of enjoying their life. that's just cold blooded fucking murder.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907492]I'm a fool for thinking I could possibly have any sort of [b]mature[/b] conversation with another person in this thread.[/QUOTE] From the makers of [QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907064]Are YOU autistic?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41907518]I don't think you have a grip on reality man, you really don't seem to understand.[/QUOTE] says you [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] mr. i think people should wank in kitchens

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41907527]says you [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] mr. i think people should wank in kitchens[/QUOTE] Quit it, you little scamp!

To the people who are for killing mentally retarded kids: take your fucked up argument to mass debate and stop shitting this thread up please.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41907518]I don't think you have a grip on reality man, you really don't seem to understand. Like I said, it isn't just "a little stress", it is life ruining in a lot of cases. It is legitimately job quitting, future plans OVER, life ruining. I know it's sad, I'm not disagreeing, but it is just honestly worse to force that situation on people, thus why I think abortion is fine.[/QUOTE] Abortion is one thing, euthanization is different. In the end, its all a matter of needing to know if your treatment will work. If you do it right, most cases it slides out very well. You don't have to ruin your life, you just need to be responsible enough to do something about it. You don't have to abort unless you aren't ready for it. [QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907573]Oh, fuck, I forgot, Facepunch is a hivemind. Hahaha, my bad. Really? Everyone on Facepunch is united against my beliefs? There are plenty of people that agree with me, most of them either don't care enough to post or don't feel like being personally assaulted by an onslaught of moral crusaders. "Most of us don't collapse into puddles of stress-related disease." -Robert Sapolsky, Ph.D Yeah, it's a little more complex than getting the occasional headache raising a mentally retarded child.[/QUOTE] I only called you Himmler because I genuinely believed you were saying some radical shit I mean, you did call them parasites, I think your a dick about that, but at least you aren't' trying to say we should gas them as adults and purge humanity of them. not like I can force you to think differently

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907573]Oh, fuck, I forgot, Facepunch is a hivemind. Hahaha, my bad. Really? Everyone on Facepunch is united against my beliefs? There are plenty of people that agree with me, most of them either don't care enough to post or don't feel like being personally assaulted by an onslaught of moral crusaders. [/QUOTE] i said as a collective. not hivemind, dingus. believe it or not, you are in the minority with your sociopathic ideals

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41907493]No one is advocating murdering you, this is a delicate situation and I want you to understand that I mean no disrespect. But I do support aborting fetuses with defects, it's a hard decision, but I (and/or other parents) shouldn't have to sacrifice their life plans and goals just because you don't think it's okay to abort a non-human.[/QUOTE] "non-human" please explain

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;41907608]"non-human" please explain[/QUOTE] The fetus

never become a parent. you will never love your child because clearly what they give to you is all that matters @final

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41905016] How about you put yourself in their shoes. You're all going to go, "oh that's horrible you want to murder a child" but would YOU want to live like that? I certainly wouldn't. Their quality of life is far below ours, so try and think a little more intelligently than "OH FINALHUNTER IS JUST A NAZI" *[URL]http://csef.air.org/publications/seep/national/AdvRpt1.PDF[/URL][/QUOTE] How about [B]YOU[/B] put yourself into their shoes, or the shoes or their siblings and parents. You wouldn't want to live like that because you aren't handicapped. But how do you think a mentally handicapped person feel? Do you think they're just empty shells? Should we start killing things because we think they their life-quality is bad? How about we kill all the old people as well. Or all animals that we think aren't living life the way we want it. How about you start thinking a little bit more intelligently, and perhaps use the tiny bit of humanity that you have left. Once a person is born, it is a living being, whether it wants to continue to live or die is for that individual to make. Not the government. And not you.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907616]Hell J!NX, you earned my respect in our conversation last night, because you didn't lower yourself to personal attacks, so kudos to you for that.[/QUOTE] umm well I did kind of call you Himmler which is basically worse than hitler so theres that too but to be fair you were being pretty crazy

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41907649]GOOD JOB READING MATE.[/QUOTE] thank fuck i hope you don't manage to influence many other people at the same time

[QUOTE=n0cturni;41898464]Let's euthanize the "One pissed off mother" instead.[/QUOTE] Neuter. Killing is inhumane.