'Euthanize' autistic teen for being 'nuisance,' says anonymous letter - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;41899501]Yeah but if you had read the letter, she says she only hears the noises when the child is outside.[/QUOTE] Doesn't make the noises any less irritating.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41898728]Obviously people shouldn't be allowed to get pissed off because the kid is unhappy![/QUOTE] she told the mother to euthanize her child are you seriously trying to fucking justify the letter? stop being an apologist.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41898695]Severely autistic kids should not integrate with "normal" kids. It can only lead to problems, such as this.[/QUOTE] People with a severe case of "bisousbisous" should not integrate with Facepunch.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899525]Doesn't make the noises any less irritating.[/QUOTE] Fuck then you must hate small children and fucking welding equipment then. Why should the lady be forced to lock her son in a small "soundproof" part of the house because some bitch lady was slightly annoyed by the noises he was making. Your entire argument is like saying we should jettison small children from airplanes because some of them are mildly annoying.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899525]Doesn't make the noises any less irritating.[/QUOTE] Didn't say it does. All I said was the woman clearly is unable to hear the child at night, and sort of implying that she's a whiny bitch but that should go without saying.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;41899517]Severely autistic is a vague term that means literal [B]jack shit[/B] to anyone who is at least knowledgeable of Autism. Get that through YOUR thick ass skull right now. Autism is a spectrum of hundreds of disorders (this is a simplified way of putting it) ranging from a simple inability to communicate yet still having coherent thought, to an inability to have coherent thought. You are not only generalizing, but saying that 1/10 people [I]don't[/I] contribute to society you thick shit.[/QUOTE] And on that spectrum are the disorders that basically make the person non-functioning. These disorders are very debilitating. Some might even call them severe. Not the psychologists or scientists that name the disorders or work with the kids, but people who aren't specialized in fields dealing with autism.

[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;41899536]People with a severe case of "bisousbisous" should not integrate with Facepunch.[/QUOTE] sounds painful

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899497]Random doesn't mean decided, it means random. As in out of the blue. As in the kid wouldn't have control.[/QUOTE] Yes and that describes a specific symptom of some forms of autism. We literally know jack shit about what type of autism this kid has beyond baseless conjecture. "Severe Autism" means jack shit because there are different types of "Severe Autism"

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41898705]Of course an autistic child is a nuisance, I don't really see why the woman is a terrible person for being pissed off, just because the kid is autistic doesn't take away the woman's ability/right/justification for being pissed.[/QUOTE] The bitch is a terrible person for how she handled the annoyance. I don't blame her one bit for being annoyed by the noises, I would be too, but to tell the kid's parents in an anonymous letter to euthanize their child because of it? That's subhuman. Hitler wouldn't even stoop to that level.

[QUOTE=J!NX;41899558]sounds painful[/QUOTE] You know your argument is good when you personally attack someone.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41899556]That is why in my previous posts I used the word SEVERE, and I wasn't limiting the discussion to strictly autism. Making a point that is taboo doesn't make me a Nazi. They fit the definition of parasitic whether anyone wants to admit it. For example, Mr_Sun has detailed his struggles(I do apologize if this offends you). He has given up time, and his family has given up money for his brother. They've had additional burdens that most children don't present. It's all worth it to them because they can see that he is happy and he loves them, and that's all fair and well, but you can't just end the conversation at that. The fact is that stress is a real determining factor on future medical issues. Additionally, you cannot deny that his brother would have been freed of some great struggles and frustrations had he been aborted or euthanized soon after birth or whatever. It sounds sick, yes, I recognize that but I'm approaching this from a purely analytical point of view. The woman who wrote the letter intended to offend, I do not. I am here to present facts. The fact is, while being completely immoral, euthanasia would be beneficial in some ways. Just because you do not like it does not make it wrong.[/QUOTE] You still don't know anything at all. AUTISM ISN'T A SINGULAR DISORDER OF VARYING SEVERITY. It's a group of disorders with common causes and symptoms. "Severe" autism can literal mean anything and therefore means jack shit.

[QUOTE=TestECull;41899569]The bitch is a terrible person for how she handled the annoyance. I don't blame her one bit for being annoyed by the noises, I would be too, but to tell the kid's parents in an anonymous letter to euthanize their child because of it? That's subhuman. Hitler wouldn't even stoop to that level.[/QUOTE] I'm almost certain Hitler would stoop to that level. And then order the family and all their relatives murdered.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41899556] Additionally, you cannot deny that his brother would have been freed of some great struggles and frustrations had he been aborted or euthanized soon after birth or whatever. It sounds sick, yes, I recognize that but I'm approaching this from a purely analytical point of view.[/QUOTE] This is LITERALLY what the Nazis used as a reasoning behind the euthanasia of those with disabilities. They said that it would "free" them, and let them be released from this life, as if it somehow made it okay that you were literally [I]systematically [B]MURDERING PEOPLE[/B][/I]. You make me fucking [I]sick.[/I]

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899572]You know your argument is good when you personally attack someone.[/QUOTE] honestly you couldn't even listen to what everyone was saying to you, so you didn't really have any credibility at all [QUOTE=FinalHunter;41899556]That is why in my previous posts I used the word SEVERE, and I wasn't limiting the discussion to strictly autism. Making a point that is taboo doesn't make me a Nazi. They fit the definition of parasitic whether anyone wants to admit it. For example, Mr_Sun has detailed his struggles(I do apologize if this offends you). He has given up time, and his family has given up money for his brother. They've had additional burdens that most children don't present. It's all worth it to them because they can see that he is happy and he loves them, and that's all fair and well, but you can't just end the conversation at that. The fact is that stress is a real determining factor on future medical issues. Additionally, you cannot deny that his brother would have been freed of some great struggles and frustrations had he been aborted or euthanized soon after birth or whatever. It sounds sick, yes, I recognize that but I'm approaching this from a purely analytical point of view. The woman who wrote the letter intended to offend, I do not. I am here to present facts.[B] The fact is, while being completely immoral, euthanasia would be beneficial in some ways[/B]. Just because you do not like it does not make it wrong.[/QUOTE] it doesn't matter how "Right" it is that still is inhumane and shitty, that doesn't magically make it "OK" to say or assume but whatever you say Himmler

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899572]You know your argument is good when you personally attack someone.[/QUOTE] You know your argument is good if you advocate eugenics.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;41899594]Wouldn't you get rather annoyed if someone just let their kid scream for an entire plane ride because they are too young to understand volume control? Or would you rather they at least ATTEMPT to stop the screaming, and or mitigate the noise? Like I said, people are mostly understanding.. to a point, but if a noise is CONSTANT, they tend to lose patience eventually.[/QUOTE] Yes I would get mildly annoyed. The difference being that I won't start thinking "fuck small children they should be euthanized". This also has nothing to do with patience and more to do with being a fucking idiot and advocating the death of a neighbors child because of some noise.

I'll admit I can't stand mentally handicapped people who behave this way, but I definitely recognize it as a problem that I have. Not being able to sympathize with them really makes me feel terrible.

[QUOTE=J!NX;41899588]honestly you couldn't even listen to what everyone was saying to you, so you didn't really have any credibility at all it doesn't matter how "Right" it is that still is inhumane and shitty, that doesn't magically make it "OK" to say or assume but whatever you say Himmler[/QUOTE] Name calling too? You guys are stooping to Kindergarten levels of discussion. I better get out of here before someone starts flinging actual shit at each other.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899611]Name calling too? You guys are stooping to Kindergarten levels of discussion. I better get out of here before someone starts flinging actual shit at each other.[/QUOTE] You resorted to kindergarden levels of debate ethic. Don't dish out what you can't take.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;41899594]Wouldn't you get rather annoyed if someone just let their kid scream for an entire plane ride because they are too young to understand volume control? Or would you rather they at least ATTEMPT to stop the screaming, and or mitigate the noise? Like I said, people are mostly understanding.. to a point, but if a noise is CONSTANT, they tend to lose patience eventually.[/QUOTE] I surely would, no doubt, but I'd TRY to hold patiant. [QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899611]Name calling too? You guys are stooping to Kindergarten levels of discussion. I better get out of here before someone starts flinging actual shit at each other.[/QUOTE] [t]http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21519000/ngbbs4c4c4e8185365.jpg[/t] good, if you're offended by that then I hope you leave. I'll continue to say FinalHunters agreement that it could be better for them to be euthanized is akin to Himmler, even if not nearly as bad. [QUOTE=FinalHunter;41899622]I'd rather be dead than severely mentally retarded. If ever I receive severe brain damage from an accident I hope you're here to put me out of my misery since you're such a moral crusader. I did not state I wanted to kill them. I did not state we should. Hell, I even pointed out it's morally wrong. I made no statements on what I want or what I believe should be done. You WANT someone to point fingers at and attack. It won't be me. Find someone else for your stupid little game.[/QUOTE] Autism isn't mental retardation you know nothing about autism, its not a matter of them being "Stupid" its a matter of control or lack of other things

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899611]Name calling too? You guys are stooping to Kindergarten levels of discussion. I better get out of here before someone starts flinging actual shit at each other.[/QUOTE] Hey I'm not going to argue with that last sentence. If you can't take a little name-calling (which presents a valid criticism, by the way) in an argument on the internet then maybe you shouldn't be arguing on the internet?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;41899593]You know your argument is good if you advocate eugenics.[/QUOTE] Ridiculous, I can't believe that you presume your opinion on eugenics so objectively correct that it automatically makes your argument bad. He's allowed to advocate whatever he wants, and he isn't terrible for what he's saying either, he would only be truly terrible if he was doing it out of malice, but he legitimately believes that it is the most effective choice, and who are you to say that he's wrong?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;41899626]You resorted to kindergarden levels of debate ethic. Don't dish out what you can't take.[/QUOTE] Kindergarteners don't debate ethics. They call each other names.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41899622]I'd rather be dead than severely mentally retarded. If ever I receive severe brain damage from an accident I hope you're here to put me out of my misery since you're such a moral crusader. I did not state I wanted to kill them. I did not state we should. Hell, I even pointed out it's morally wrong. I made no statements on what I want or what I believe should be done. You WANT someone to point fingers at and attack. It won't be me. Find someone else for your stupid little game.[/QUOTE] Your right, you didn't outright state that you should kill them. You said they would be justified in thinking that they should be killed which is in the exact same ballpark. Also brain damage =/= natural brain abnormality.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;41899629]Hey I'm not going to argue with that last sentence. If you can't take a little name-calling (which presents a valid criticism, by the way) in an argument on the internet then maybe you shouldn't be arguing on the internet?[/QUOTE] It was kind of foolish to expect people on Facepunch to not resort to name calling on an issue such as eugenics. [QUOTE=J!NX;41899627]I surely would, no doubt, but I'd TRY to hold patiant. [t]http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21519000/ngbbs4c4c4e8185365.jpg[/t] Autism isn't mental retardation you know nothing about autism, its not a matter of them being "Stupid" its a matter of control or lack of other things[/QUOTE] Your maturity is staggering. Not to say I've been mature through this discussion, but at least I didn't resort to posting pictures of a monkey literally throwing shit.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899633]Kindergarteners don't debate ethics. They call each other names.[/QUOTE] I think we already established that you take hyperbole at face value. Can we move on to the next facet of your ignorance? [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899657]It was kind of foolish to expect people on Facepunch to not resort to name calling on an issue such as eugenics. Your maturity is staggering. Not to say I've been mature through this discussion, but at least I didn't resort to posting pictures of a monkey literally throwing shit.[/QUOTE] We resorted to name calling because you resorted to twisting our arguments around and actually being an advocate of eugenics.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;41899660]I think we already established that you take hyperbole at face value. Can we move on to the next facet of your ignorance? [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] I would bet money that if I had posted a picture of myself on Facepunch in the past it would be pulled up and used to invalidate my opinion. We resorted to name calling because you resorted to twisting our arguments around and actually being an advocate of eugenics.[/QUOTE] Today I learned that it's okay to call people names if they have a different opinion than me.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;41899678]I've stated several times I'm not referring solely to autism, but to severe mental retardation in general. Before you go back to your genius argument of semantics here is my definition of severe: anyone who cannot take care of themselves without vast amounts of assistance due to mental disabilities.[/QUOTE] you say it would be beneficial, ( you didn't say it'd be right or we should though, obvious) but it'd be cheaper to actually take care of them, just like execution is more expensive and controversial than jail

I think the lady who wrote that letter might have a terminal case of soccer mom.[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;41898637][sp]My brother is severely autistic and is sitting behind me on the computer making HIS sounds that are just him being happy [/sp][/QUOTE][QUOTE=PolarEventide;41898699]People with autism often mimic sounds they hear, so it could be a number of things. My autistic sister tends to make high-pitched noises when she's happy, and yes it can get annoying sometimes, but I care more that she's happy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Corewarp3;41898867]You can all sit there and be 'holier than thou' types. But my family has been visited by my mother's sister every summer consistently. She has an autistic as fuck son who wakes me(And everyone else) up by screaming at the top of his lungs, for no apparent reason. My mother's sister does NOTHING to shut him up. [/QUOTE]So, let me get this straight. Autistic people make random high-pitched noises for reasons entirely unknown, and they do it often and with more frequency when happy? ... Pretty sure R2-D2 was autistic.

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;41899657]It was kind of foolish to expect people on Facepunch to not resort to name calling on an issue such as eugenics. Your maturity is staggering. Not to say I've been mature through this discussion, but at least I didn't resort to posting pictures of a monkey literally throwing shit.[/QUOTE] And here it is, we've gone from actually arguing the topic to bitching about each other's maturity. I love how this happens in every thread (not necessarily directing this at you, bisousbisous, even though I quoted you). Time for a smoke break, peace.