'Euthanize' autistic teen for being 'nuisance,' says anonymous letter - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kyle902;41900028]Lambda I think you should stop before you get another month ban. We have no "standard" or "normal" baseline human mind. Autistic people are different, not inferior.[/QUOTE] Theoretically we can compare the way the average human brain functions with an autistic brain in order to understand how the two function differently. That's how most neurological courses focus on the brain. And most theories on autism suggest that autistic individuals struggle with information processing on a neurological level, which is how ASD's symptoms appear externally. There are many theories on autism's neurological functioning, however. We know for sure that an autistic brain doesn't function the same way as a non-autistic one, but we also know that the autistic brain functions very similar to a normal brain. Or, in other words, it's only [i]certain areas[/i] of the brain that don't operate the same way - for the most part, an autistic and non-autistic brain are very similar in regards to most forms of functioning.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;41900097]The complexity of autism leads experts to believe that there are probably several different possible causes for different disorders on the autism spectrum, and identifying all of those causes may never be possible. Autism is consistently becoming more and more common, however. In general, I believe that if there were a way to identify that a child would be born with a mental disorder then I suppose the parents have the right to choose to abort that child, but I think that sets a horrible precedent. Would it also be fair for parents to abort a child if there were a way to know from birth that that child would grow up to be gay?[/QUOTE] To be fair, a parent should have the right to abort their baby for any reason they want, it's their property, essentially, as all it is is a fetus with no feelings whatsoever. It'd be weird, but if that's what the parents want, that's what they want.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41900129]Well, we can treat fetuses like anything we want because they aren't people. That's the critical thing here, and that's why murderous euthanasia is horrible, inefficient, and not even worth it. But to quell fetuses isn't hurting anyone, and like I said, I think it'd be good to save a consciousness from the pain of autism.[/QUOTE] But you're assuming right away that autism is a plight on the individual, and always will be. There's a growing social movement which suggests a.) autism should be a source of pride, and b.) that our society needs to actively change the way it views autistic individuals. I'll always agree that a mother has a right to choose, but it should be understood that there are a variety of solutions to society's ill-treatment of autistic individuals. Most of them involve changing the society; not preventing the fetus's maturity.

[QUOTE=Reimu;41900153]But you're assuming right away that autism is a plight on the individual, and always will be. There's a growing social movement which suggests a.) autism should be a source of pride, and b.) that our society needs to actively change the way it views autistic individuals. I'll always agree that a mother has a right to choose, but it should be understood that there are a variety of solutions to society's ill-treatment of autistic individuals. Most of them involve changing the society; not preventing the fetus's maturity.[/QUOTE] I really don't think that autism is anything more than a plight, it causes issues with how the brain functions, and I don't think that people should be proud of being autistic, because it's a serious disorder, not something misunderstood. But...that's just my opinion on the matter, and as you said, the mother should always have the right to choose. I just want to avoid as many people having to go through what I perceive to be an unfortunate affliction, I'm sorry if that's offensive.

I don't think your opinion is offensive, but I also think autistic people understand their situation more than a non-autistic person. I mean, it's telling when you have autistic people claiming that autism is a "way of life" and forming autism pride groups. And, as long as an individual is not harming others, no one should force an individual to change the way they function because of the society's demands.

[QUOTE=Reimu;41900212]I don't think your opinion is offensive, but I also think autistic people understand their situation more than a non-autistic person. I mean, it's telling when you have autistic people claiming that autism is a "way of life" and forming autism pride groups. And, as long as an individual is not harming others, no one should force an individual to change the way they function because of the society's demands.[/QUOTE] They may understand what the life is like, but I wouldn't say that someone who is afflicted by a disorder would be a very good person to get your opinions from, they have a bias, and they likely don't want to feel severely depressed about their lives so they attempt to feel better about themselves by forming pride groups and making mantras. It's all for the purpose of feeling good, and getting through life, not for dealing with reality. It's really a terrible situation.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41900084]Yeah, but that doesn't change that we have a standard mind and body. This is obvious, mutations happen, and when a mutation allows for the standards to be deviated from enough, it can be considered a disorder. Just because it's a disorder doesn't mean it's bad, but it can be, and in the case of autism, I'd say it is.[/QUOTE] Autistic people on average have a higher intelligence then most people. You are basically arguing that everyone thinks the same way [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41900232]They may understand what the life is like, but I wouldn't say that someone who is afflicted by a disorder would be a very good person to get your opinions from, they have a bias, and they likely don't want to feel severely depressed about their lives so they attempt to feel better about themselves by forming pride groups and making mantras. It's all for the purpose of feeling good, and getting through life, not for dealing with reality. It's really a terrible situation.[/QUOTE] Did you seriously just belittle autism support groups?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;41900236]Autistic people on average have a higher intelligence then most people. You are basically arguing that everyone thinks the same way[/QUOTE] And as a symptom of autism, autistic people can't socialize very well. People do think in very similar ways if they're of sound mind and body, human body and brain structure is uniform across the board except for in the case of mutations/disorders/afflictions/physical injury. Of course everyone is different, but that's based on nurture, not nature. We see this in other situations, particularly the average IQ of impoverished people, it is not a result of being genetically inferior, but rather having poor upbringings. [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;41900236] Did you seriously just belittle autism support groups?[/QUOTE] No, I didn't. I'm just explaining my opinion. I'm not belittling anyone, just sharing what I see as the reality. [editline]19th August 2013[/editline] I would much prefer you attempted to help me understand why you think what I'm saying is wrong, rather than simply calling me names and accusing me of things.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;41898699]People with autism often mimic sounds they hear, so it could be a number of things. My autistic sister tends to make high-pitched noises when she's happy, and yes it can get annoying sometimes, but I care more that she's happy.[/QUOTE] my little sister makes high pitched noises when she's happy as well. she's high-functioning though

How brave of her to write that letter anonymously. I'm not sure how old are the said people but when we were 6-7 years old we all used to make a lot of noises and nobody considered that weird wtf

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lady is a crybaby faggot. one of my neighbors happens to be mentally retarded, and he makes noises all the time when he is outside. doesn't bother me because i know that he doesn't know any better.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;41898675]No, but if your kid is going to make loud sounds, and he cannot help it, and you cannot stop him, then the least you could do is mitigate them via a sound proofing agent.[/QUOTE] Not everyone has money flowing out of their assholes.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;41900236]Autistic people on average have a higher intelligence then most people. You are basically arguing that everyone thinks the same way [/QUOTE] How do you qualify that?

[QUOTE=HyperVyper;41898454]What an intelligent and nice woman.[/QUOTE] Odd I read this in Ignignokt's voice? :P [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=PolarEventide;41899115]Autism is an incredibly [B]neurological disorder[/B] that affects different people in different ways. One solution that applies to one child with autism will not necessarily apply to another successfully. Just like all children, each autistic child is unique and has unique and specific needs and responds differently. For that reason, you can't possibly say that because one specific person was able to calm down a specific group of autistic children, then this parent must have the ability to do the same for her child. To be able to assert something like that, you'd need a lot more information about this child and the children at your school than you have. Also, since you disagreed with my previous post, I'm curious which part you disagreed with...Do you think autistic children are animals that you can put a muzzle on? Or, do you think they don't have free will?[/QUOTE]

Move the fuck away if it really bugs you. If she can't, she's the one that should be euthanized. I would also bet a thousand dollars that she's one of the anti-vaxxers. Has 4chan already started a raid? [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=bisousbisous;41898695]Severely autistic kids should not integrate with "normal" kids. It can only lead to problems, such as this.[/QUOTE] Uh hi, HFA here who integrates with normal kids, and I haven't recieved death threats. What the fuck makes you think that autism should mean a kid should be completely isolated from socializing with normal people? [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41898705]Of course an autistic child is a nuisance, I don't really see why the woman is a terrible person for being pissed off, just because the kid is autistic doesn't take away the woman's ability/right/justification for being pissed.[/QUOTE] There are better ways of speaking out your discontent than wishing death on someone.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;41900774]Move the fuck away if it really bugs you. If she can't, she's the one that should be euthanized. I would also bet a thousand dollars that she's one of the anti-vaxxers. Has 4chan already started a raid?[/QUOTE] Ah yes, why doesn't the person just move, it's so simple! It's not like they might not have enough money to buy a new home, have the time to move, or even have a job at their new location. Why doesn't everyone who is affected by it move rather than the problem itself? What a bunch of lazy jerks! e: why would 4chan of all places start a raid, they would be supporting this. e2: It's funny how you end with [quote]There are better ways of speaking out your discontent than wishing death on someone.[/quote] but start with [quote]If she can't, she's the one that should be euthanized.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Noss;41898576]To be fair the noises some of them make can be annoying, but neither them nor the parents can help it. The person who wrote this letter is just being a supercunt.[/QUOTE] Having a brother which is autistic, I approve.

The letter was on the front page of reddit yesterday, the poster claimed to be the person who recieved the letter (or maybe a friend of them). I would link it but I can't find it because reddit's search engine is shit.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;41898575] because it isn't like he's taking shits on your front yard daily.[/QUOTE] How'd you know? Atleast the autistic that lives here nearby sings vintage songs all day. He thinks he has a radio station or something.

fucking hell she sounds like resetti [quote]SCRAM!!![/quote]

A lot of you guys disgust me, I was born with Autism and just seeing most of these messages really disgusts me and offends me. So I guess I should die as well, because of being a Parasite, or a useless human being. Anyway back on subject, the pissed off mother is a real asshole.

What an insensitive fuck. She should get pregnant and take a good dose of Thalidomide, so she's able to experience firsthand how hard raising a handicapped kid can be.

Am I the only person that feels like a child/young teen wrote this? This just screams of someone writing this that hasn't emotionally matured yet.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;41900774]Move the fuck away if it really bugs you. If she can't, she's the one that should be euthanized.[/quote] Alright, I'm not in the camp of the person who wrote this letter, or the people calling for eugenics - however, why the fuck should it be her responsibility to move away?

[QUOTE=Irkalla;41901622]Am I the only person that feels like a child/young teen wrote this? This just screams of someone writing this that hasn't emotionally matured yet.[/QUOTE] It reads like an overly long youtube video comment.

Frankly, I think this is the worst part about the whole letter [img]http://i.imgur.com/ljXNcDo.png[/img] It's not suggesting death, sure, but it is denying his quality of life in a way that isn't all too unlikely given his state... Well, assuming it's really severe. Neither the article nor the letter is very specific on the condition.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41900016]i'll agree with you here. i think it's unfair to expect people to willingly give birth to a kid with mental or physical defects if it can be avoided[/quote] It's even more unfair to let the families keep the problem deep up their asses and get turned into handicapped people as well due to being left trapped with the crippling problem. A society that hasn't dealt with this problem in a way that doesn't punish the families involved and give the opportunity that everyone else has to lead an average life should not be called a developed society.

How about we euthanize no one?

[QUOTE=OnDemand;41902027]It's even more unfair to let the families keep the problem deep up their asses and get turned into handicapped people as well due to being left trapped with the crippling problem. A society that hasn't dealt with this problem in a way that doesn't punish the families involved and give the opportunity that everyone else has to lead an average life should not be called a developed society.[/QUOTE] What are you saying? I honestly have no clue what you're advocating or what position you're arguing for. I don't think putting more emphasis on fetus screening/abortions of fetuses that possess undesirable traits punishes anyone. Honestly I know that abortions are probably not the best, but it's just a medical procedure, that's all it should be seen as, nothing emotional, just "business" if you catch my drift.