Online dating study shows racial prejudices can be easily altered - Polidicks

[QUOTE=person11;42781951]This is true. Implying racial stereotyping from socialization and people acting on their own internal ideals of the differences between races is acting in a racist way in a very small way, but not the same thing as being a racist. So my implying that lot's of things are based on views of race, it does not mean everyone is a racist. It's like a spectrum.[/QUOTE] Every sort of conscious and subconscious race-related judgement falling under the same banner is the definition I'm used to on the internet, so that post about the black woman not being racist because they were affected by past experiences sounded like an awful double standard.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;42782071]Every sort of conscious and subconscious race-related judgement falling under the same banner is the definition I'm used to on the internet, so that post about the black woman not being racist because they were affected by past experiences sounded like an awful double standard.[/QUOTE] It seems like a double standard, but it is perfectly justifiable for people to not like their oppressors.

[QUOTE=person11;42782127]It seems like a double standard, but it is perfectly justifiable for people to not like their oppressors.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't that be previous oppressors though? Or idk Americans seem to have a broad definition of oppression.

[QUOTE=person11;42781810]The reason I am what people called a "social justice warrior" or whatever is because I thought I was a perfectly good person until I looked back on my seemingly innocent life. Turns out I've been thinking and living based on racist and sexist ideals, and I did shitty things without realizing it. I want to make up for it.[/QUOTE] Actually I think the reason you're called that is probably because of the assumptive and generalising way you and other "social justice warriors" word things I mean when you say white people are we talking white people in the US or white people as a collective or what, you've got to be a bit more clear because tbh if it's the latter that's pretty ignorant

[QUOTE=person11;42782127]It seems like a double standard, but it is perfectly justifiable for people to not like their oppressors.[/QUOTE] Unless it says he's a strong opponent of affirmative action on his profile, I don't see how that's any more valid than a white person not being attracted to a black person because a black person mugged them once.

[QUOTE=Beerminator;42781661]Irrelevant. Erection = you want sex.[/QUOTE] One time I was riding a horse and the way my penis was sitting in between my legs caused it to rub between them as the horse walked, causing me to get an erection. By your logic I really badly wanted to fuck that horse.

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[QUOTE=Laputa;42782381]Actually I think the reason you're called that is probably because of the assumptive and generalising way you and other "social justice warriors" word things I mean when you say white people are we talking white people in the US or white people as a collective or what, you've got to be a bit more clear because tbh if it's the latter that's pretty ignorant[/QUOTE] In Western society, or rather every western country involved in slavery or colonialism, which includes the United States. You say it is ignorant to group all white people together, but it's actually kind of hard to find a predominantly white country that was not at all involved in some sort of oppression or atrocity against non white people. Not saying only white people are capable of racial oppression, but it seems nearly every predominantly white country is guilty of something. As for the way I write, it seems that a lot of problems with our society involves very general concepts: things that affect entire groups of people at the macro level that then change how each person in that group acts in the micro level. For example, the macro level misogyny in our society causing a man at the micro level to spread his legs out and take a ton of space in the subway.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;42782431]One time I was riding a horse and the way my penis was sitting in between my legs caused it to rub between them as the horse walked, causing me to get an erection. By your logic I really badly wanted to fuck that horse.[/QUOTE] Was it a nice horse?

[QUOTE=thisispain;42782543]hoh yeah those asian women [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0e5sszCuZ1qlf40eo1_500.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] heard it tonnes of times before but "yellow fever" still makes me laugh

[QUOTE=person11;42782655]You say it is ignorant to group all white people together, but it's actually kind of hard to find a predominantly white country that was not at all involved in some sort of oppression or atrocity against non white people. Not saying only white people are capable of racial oppression, but it seems nearly every predominantly white country is guilty of something.[/QUOTE] Most of Asia's guilty of it too but i'm not going to lump all asians together for south east Asian and Taiwanese oppression of negritoes or Chinese military massacres on ethnic Kazakhs or the Japanese's ongoing awful treatment of the Ainu or when the Mongols had eastern Europe (though that one was centuries ago) It's just that some people seem to think it's only white countries/people that have done these things which isn't the case

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[QUOTE=person11;42782655] As for the way I write, it seems that a lot of problems with our society involves very general concepts: things that affect entire groups of people at the macro level that then change how each person in that group acts in the micro level. For example, the macro level misogyny in our society causing a man at the micro level to spread his legs out and take a ton of space in the subway.[/QUOTE] What.

[QUOTE=person11;42781810]You'd be surprised how deep this stuff goes. You can be acting out racist ideals, thoughts, etc. without being conscious of it. Porn is pretty much the last frontier of non apologetically categorizing people by race. The reason I am what people called a "social justice warrior" or whatever is because I thought I was a perfectly good person until I looked back on my seemingly innocent life. Turns out I've been thinking and living based on racist and sexist ideals, and I did shitty things without realizing it. I want to make up for it.[/QUOTE] This is your problem right here. You assume that because you were unknowingly racist/sexist everyone must be unknowingly racist/sexist. I can honestly say that as I look back I don't and never have looked at people of different races and sexist as lesser than myself or people of my own race/sex. Although I'm white I've always been the minority in my neighborhood (the majority being Hispanic) and my family has always instilled the belief that people are judged on their actions. [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=person11;42782655]In all society, or rather every country involved in slavery or colonialism. You say it is ignorant to group all white people together, but it's actually kind of hard to find a any country that was not at all involved in some sort of oppression or atrocity against other people. Not saying only white people are capable of racial oppression, but it seems nearly every country is guilty of something.[/QUOTE] ftfy, slavery and oppression have been the norm of human history, not the exception. [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] Majority white countries have simply been in power during the modern era and have therefore had the power to oppress others. Oppression is a function of power, not of race.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;42783323]What.[/QUOTE] So what, if I tell you to read an intro to Sociology, people will say I am an arrogant asshole? The truth is so accessible in this day and age, and yet something as axiomatic as macro-micro level social dynamics is somehow confusing or controversial? [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;42783477]This is your problem right here. You assume that because you were unknowingly racist/sexist everyone must be unknowingly racist/sexist. I can honestly say that as I look back I don't and never have looked at people of different races and sexist as lesser than myself or people of my own race/sex. Although I'm white I've always been the minority in my neighborhood (the majority being Hispanic) and my family has always instilled the belief that people are judged on their actions. [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] ftfy, slavery and oppression have been the norm of human history, not the exception. [editline]6th November 2013[/editline] Majority white countries have simply been in power during the modern era and have therefore had the power to oppress others. Oppression is a function of power, not of race.[/QUOTE] My train of thought actually went in the opposite direction. I read about subconscious and socially enabled misogyny and racism and immediately thought it did not apply to me, but learned it because I had to for class. Once I knew the concept, I realized it applies to my life and the lives of everyone I know, which leads me to supporting the academic data behind the idea. It is kind of backwards of me to need to confirm it myself before believing the facts on paper, but at least I've got it now.

I find it strange how Asian men prefer Hispanic ladies. Kinda funny considering there's a Mexican/Asian restaurant a few towns down and the owners consist of an Asian man and a Hispanic woman.

I never knew why Caucasian men love Asians so much though. Like Thai people. There's a fuckton of em going for thai people. And I wouldn't say that they are the best looking ones. A friend says that because they give them security cause they won't cheat on their white husbands. I think it sounds silly, although he might be right.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;42784366]I never knew why Caucasian men love Asians so much though. Like Thai people. There's a fuckton of em going for thai people. And I wouldn't say that they are the best looking ones. A friend says that because they give them security cause they won't cheat on their white husbands. I think it sounds silly, although he might be right.[/QUOTE] Surprisingly, there's a lot of that going on India too - there are quite a lot of Russian women who are marrying Indian men. The prevailing theory is that Indian men are culturally more family oriented and this appeals to them. Not necessarily true (I can see a number of problems with it), but I suppose in some cases I do wonder if it's the awareness of stereotypes and expectations of them that drive some interracial relationships.

[QUOTE=person11;42781246]Nah Reverse Racism does not really exist. Horrible cases of discrimination do exist and can't be forgiven just because it is the opposite of the usual and much more common violence (like the Trayvon Martin attacks and the Rodney King riots). For example, the rape epidemic in our society is caused by its patriarchal structure. The biggest worry women have all around the world (less so in the Western world) is violence by men, notably rape. Women can rape men, and do sometimes, something MRA's love to remind us of. With rape being the product of misogyny in our society, one could say that women raping men is "reverse misogyny" or "misandry". This is not the case. These are individual attacks against men by terrible women, not a reflection of a power structures in society. Though there are tons of arguments to be had, including the flinging of dictionary definitions, about what constitutes discrimination and racism/misogyny, there is a clear difference between crimes that are more or less "sanctioned" or rather naturally expected by society, and ones that are not.[/QUOTE] -snip, bad reading-

[QUOTE=katbug;42785209]There is no such thing as "reverse racism", only racism. [/QUOTE] thats what he said

[QUOTE=thisispain;42785251]thats what he said[/QUOTE] Oh, fuck, my bad. Why mention "reverse racism", then? I didn't say a thing about it.

Sorry if I was confusing. I just meant that it's not the same thing. There is a structure in place in our society that puts all non white and non male people down, and there are instances of people discriminating against white men. It's totally different. Though I can tell that just saying "You can't be racist against white people" sounds really dumb without context or explanation.

[QUOTE=thisispain;42782543]hoh yeah those asian women [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0e5sszCuZ1qlf40eo1_500.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Yeah that's pretty much what it is in a nutshell. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=person11;42785467]Sorry if I was confusing. I just meant that it's not the same thing. There is a structure in place in our society that puts all non white and non male people down, and there are instances of people discriminating against white men. It's totally different. Though I can tell that just saying "You can't be racist against white people" sounds really dumb without context or explanation.[/QUOTE] I just find it strange that this blanket statement can be true when in general, blanket statements are almost immediately false. I also don't feel its fair to punish the son for the father's sin as long as the son is not repeating those mistakes.

[QUOTE=person11;42782655]In Western society, or rather every western country involved in slavery or colonialism, which includes the United States. You say it is ignorant to group all white people together, but it's actually kind of hard to find a predominantly white country that was not at all involved in some sort of oppression or atrocity against non white people. Not saying only white people are capable of racial oppression, but it seems nearly every predominantly white country is guilty of something. As for the way I write, it seems that a lot of problems with our society involves very general concepts: things that affect entire groups of people at the macro level that then change how each person in that group acts in the micro level. For example, the macro level misogyny in our society causing a man at the micro level to spread his legs out and take a ton of space in the subway.[/QUOTE] It's ironic, this is one of the most subtly/unconsciously racist things I've ever read. Every society, regardless of skin color, is responsible for countless atrocities. Africa was not, as you seem to assume, some Utopian free society. When the Portuguese first made contact with the Malian empire and the Kingdom of the Kongo and other sub-Saharan African states they were complex societies that themselves had slaves and had waged brutal wars upon each other for centuries. The Europeans didn't capture slaves like a poacher would an animal they payed interpreters and bought them from existing slave markets. The Native Americans, the Chinese, the various Arab states and the Japanese all practiced slavery and all held racist views about other civilizations. It's not just slavery colonialism in it's many forms was not the preserves of western European civilization, Oman had a small colonial empire in Africa, Ethiopia conquered and subjugated surrounding peoples, the Chinese did much the same as did the native Americans. This is of course to say nothing of the current state of Africa where genocide and civil war are worryingly common. People commit atrocities, not just white people, but all people. You have internalized extremely prejudiced views about white people seemingly due to the fact that you have a very limited knowledge of history, I suggest you read some basic world history books before you develop your absurd theories any further.

You're talking to a history buff, mate. I know plenty. I never said non white people were innocent of all atrocities forever. I am only concentrating on white people because white people are still disproportionately powerful in every metric except population and birth rates. The power white people have today internationally is based on the last few hundred years of colonialism and genocide. Are white people the only people to ever commit genocide? No. But right now, white people are still benefiting from the corrupt system set up centuries ago to exploit other nations and peoples.

[QUOTE=person11;42787870]You're talking to a history buff, mate. I know plenty. I never said non white people were innocent of all atrocities forever. I am only concentrating on white people because white people are still disproportionately powerful in every metric except population and birth rates. The power white people have today internationally is based on the last few hundred years of colonialism and genocide. Are white people the only people to ever commit genocide? No. But right now, white people are still benefiting from the corrupt system set up centuries ago to exploit other nations and peoples.[/QUOTE] Most white people aren't really benefiting anyway, it's just wealthy people. The real divide is class not race, you're grouping homeless starving white people with ultra-rich white bankers but not including Asian or Arab bankers, is that not ridiculous? Treating an entire race as a homogeneous unit is absurd and racist.

Privilege is not the same thing as wealth or happiness, and it is true that it does not affect all white people equally. Think about it this way: it sucks to be homeless no matter what, but there may be (I am guessing to make a point) a higher chance of the white homeless guy being helped or given spare change than a black one. I can't say I know for sure in that case, but my point is that privilege comes in a million different and tiny forms, like being slightly more likely to get a job and being more likely to get paid higher, etc. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] It's like if you had a a buff that was always on your character in an RPG, and you forget it is there, but it is still helping you every day. You can still fuck up and die during the course of the game, but you were less likely to then the guy next to you without the buff, or worse, with a burden.

[QUOTE=person11;42788232]Privilege is not the same thing as wealth or happiness, and it is true that it does not affect all white people equally. Think about it this way: it sucks to be homeless no matter what, but there may be (I am guessing to make a point) a higher chance of the white homeless guy being helped or given spare change than a black one. I can't say I know for sure in that case, but my point is that privilege comes in a million different and tiny forms, like being slightly more likely to get a job and being more likely to get paid higher, etc. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] It's like if you had a a buff that was always on your character in an RPG, and you forget it is there, but it is still helping you every day. You can still fuck up and die during the course of the game, but you were less likely to then the guy next to you without the buff, or worse, with a burden.[/QUOTE] It's not just white people that have privilege, in Japan for example it's still considered acceptable to refuse a job or even service to non-Japanese people and it's probably also true in other places. White people have privilege in places in which they are the majority but this is also true for non-white people who are the majority in any given place. Privilege is not the preserve of white people and being born rich regardless of where you're born overides any racial privilege anyway

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;42788323] Privilege is not the preserve of white people and being born rich regardless of where you're born overides any racial privilege anyway[/QUOTE] And how many non-whites/asians are born rich? Edit:It doesn't do much about dumbshits what see a rich nonwhite and think s/he got the cash through summat criminal either.