Emboldened Israeli Right Presses Moves to Doom 2-State Solution - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sgman91;53023932]Huh, I don't remember all the native tribes banding together to slaughter and destroy the early European colonists. (Trying to draw an analogy between the two is beyond ignorant.)[/QUOTE] Maybe not the whole “banding together” part but you can’t say with a straight face that some groups didn’t attempt to retaliate against the United States government or civilians, especially during Western Expansion. [QUOTE=Trebgarta;53024094]The analogy is dumb yes, but are you sure abo UK t the first sentence? Many examples starting from Powhatan attacks on Virginia to [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamasee_War"]this[/URL].[/QUOTE] How is it dumb comparison when Israeli leadership is pushing for a one state solution and people like Svinnik (who at some point will probably be in the military) think the preferred outcome should basically amount to putting Palestinians on something equivalent to an Indian reservation? Sure some things aren’t 100% the same and may not be a 1/1 comparison but a lot of parallels exist in the overall direction this situation seems to be going. Also anyone with even a middle school level education around here could tell you how well the whole reservation thing worked out for the Native Americans. Why do you guys think it will turn out any differently for the Palestinians?

[editline] oh hamburgers[/editline] Sorry about that, I just woke up from a nyquil induced coma. That's embarrassing.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;53024908]Maybe not the whole “banding together” part but you can’t say with a straight face that some groups didn’t attempt to retaliate against the United States government or civilians, especially during Western Expansion.[/QUOTE] The relevance is that the ONLY reason Israel has any occupation in the West Bank and Gaza is because of the aggression of its neighbors. If the nations around Israel didn't (and still do) have a burning desire to destroy them, then everything would have been fine.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53023793]It's complex. I would prefer a one state solution where Israel controls the entirety of the West Bank and allows Palestinian villages/cities to function like reservations where they administer their own law but are subject to Israeli law. Palestinians could choose if they want to become Israeli citizens or not, kind of like how things are in east jerusalem right now. I think a 2 state solution could work if the Palestinians become secular and open to abandoning violence as a tool but that's not going to happen.[/QUOTE] Is there any point in history where such a system actually worked well for the mutual benefit of both peoples?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53023846]The palestinian population has more than quadrupled since the 1950s, not much of an ethnic cleansing. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/5lwegrU.png[/IMG] [URL="http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/palestine-population/"]http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/palestine-population/[/URL] I'm not asking for a unconditional surrender, I'm just asking for them to be open to abandoning violence for the negotiation table.[/QUOTE] Hey guys! I can't have murdered that man, because the population of London increased by 5% from 2010 to 2011. Duh!

[QUOTE=Dan The Man;53025935]Hey guys! I can't have murdered that man, because the population of London increased by 5% from 2010 to 2011. Duh![/QUOTE] Hey guys! I don't understand what ethnic cleansing means!

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;53025961]Hey guys! I don't understand what ethnic cleansing means![/QUOTE] A peaceful cooperation between countries doesn't involve locking them up in a tiny country, frequently shelling civilians and blockading trade and movement. It might not be ethnic cleansing, but it's as close as it gets in modern times. Gaza is the third most densely populated country on earth. Both Singapore and Hong Kong are more densely populated, but those are significantly more advanced countries. The whole situation is pretty fucked. As the graph from a few posts above shows, their population increases pretty rapidly. At some point, it won't be able to support itself.

[QUOTE=joost1120;53025994]A peaceful cooperation between countries doesn't involve locking them up in a tiny country, frequently shelling civilians and blockading trade and movement. It might not be ethnic cleansing, but it's as close as it gets in modern times. Gaza is the third most densely populated country on earth. Both Singapore and Hong Kong are more densely populated, but those are significantly more advanced countries. The whole situation is pretty fucked. As the graph from a few posts above shows, their population increases pretty rapidly. At some point, it won't be able to support itself.[/QUOTE] I feel the goalposts have just been relocated to another planet. Look, Svinnik made a counter argument to SeamanStains' claim of ethnic cleansing specifically. Dan made a counter-counter argument that kind of missed the point. Kind of like you did, considering ethnic cleansing is indeed a modern term originating from the Yugoslavia war in the 1990s, and whatever Gaza is clearly doesn't fit the definition. By the UN. Which I linked to. And Quoted. FFS. That's not to say I disagree, mind you. The occupation clearly can't go on, and a one state solution is never going to work.

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;53026050]I feel the goalposts have just been relocated to another planet. Look, Svinnik made a counter argument to SeamanStains' claim of ethnic cleansing specifically. Dan made a counter-counter argument that kind of missed the point. Kind of like you did, considering ethnic cleansing is indeed a modern term originating from the Yugoslavia war in the 1990s, and whatever Gaza is clearly doesn't fit the definition. By the UN. Which I linked to. And Quoted. FFS. That's not to say I disagree, mind you. The occupation clearly can't go on, and a one state solution is never going to work.[/QUOTE] I did say it wasn't ethnic cleansing though. No need to get so mad over that. Anyway, when you can't argue any further, just accuse others of moving goal posts. Works every time.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;53024772]what would a two state solution look like?[/QUOTE] Pretty much a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza with a land bridge to connect both territories.