Whats left of the IRA today is a far cry from the past, if anything the cause to them has become secondary if not anything at all. They are pretty much just glorified criminals dealing in drugs and extortion. They are just using the name to get a political crutch up from common criminality. The (real) real IRA have moved on altogether, since the good Friday agreement most have taken up politics within sinn fein.
The idealism and fear that set the up the original movement has since been filtered through non-violent means which is great. The crooked RUC and horrible B-specials have been disbanded, and catholics are being treated equally. Although in my personal opinion im still unsure about this whole lark of giving up the fight for at least some Independence for nationalist areas such as Derry and Armagh, they deserve better than that. Although killing is never an easy thing to do for a cause even if they are british soldiers and security personnel.
[QUOTE=David29;25022181]The fuck have we done? Ok, we might not have a nice shiny history, but last time I checked it was Irish dissident groups bombing the UK - not UK dissident groups bombing Ireland.
As a number of people (who I am asuming are Irish) here have said, the majority of the Irish don't really care - in which case, I really can't fathom what Ireland's problem is.
But aside from all that, I don't get 'sploded.[/QUOTE]
Wow this is completely wrong. It's not because of someone being Protestant or Catholic, even the IRA can see that. It's 800 years of mismanagement of the whole island of Ireland (neglecting a country in famine, letting Dublin devolve into a giant slum with the Act of Union etc.). The culture of Britain was forced on Northern Ireland through a successful plantation which explains those figures at the top of the page. The widespread police brutality when people actually went and decided they wanted to be independent which continued into civil rights marches (unbiased, peaceful) in Northern Ireland tends to cause resentment. The British aren't bombing Ireland because they have nothing to bomb Ireland [I]for[/I]; as far as I know the British government doesn't even want Northern Ireland, it's massively indebted. I'm not really supporting the IRA but honestly it's not a matter of killing every Protestant that lives in Ireland.
I have no problem with you Brits now, but you guys treated us like absolute shit in the past. I'm not talking hundreds of years ago either.
There's this dude that goes to my friends school that honestly supports the IRA or the CIRA or the RIRA or whatever, my friend argues with him sometimes, and he asked the dude did a newborn baby deserve to be killed for being British, and the dude said yes without hesitation. Fucking retard.
Why do I hate religious extremists again?
Oh right.
There's no point in them even trying for a united ireland any more, the Republic of Ireland doesn't particularly want us, and we cost the UK a shiteload of money to look after. Technically both sides are idiots. God my country is so shitty. :(
i'm gonna fuck you guys up
Oh hey, up the IRA. Tiocfaidh Ár Lá
Lets keep it rolling for another few hundred years.
[QUOTE=TheIceman;25037388]Why do I hate religious extremists again?
Oh right.[/QUOTE]
This has nothing to do with Religion.
ITT frustrated people not getting their own way through political means decide to attack innocent people to make themselves seem more worthy of what they want.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25037695]This has nothing to do with Religion.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it stopped being religious a while ago!
[QUOTE=Warhol;25037035]uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
800 years of borderline genocide?[/quote]
Another person who failed to notice that I was talking about the present.
Also, look up the meaning of genocide - you'll find that the British didn't try to kill off huge swaths of the Irish population.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25037035]Uh, it did actually.[/quote]
Examples, please?
[QUOTE=Warhol;25037035]The UK is intrested in land, not the people they steal it from.[/QUOTE]
Don't make me laugh.
The UK has always maintained a very democratic and diplomatic approach to its territories - hence the devolved parliaments and the fact that it has already given Gibraltar the option to secede to Spain.
[QUOTE=David29;25038208]Another person who failed to notice that I was talking about the present.
Also, look up the meaning of genocide - you'll find that the British didn't try to kill off huge swaths of the Irish population.
Examples, please?
Don't make me laugh.
The UK has always maintained a very democratic and diplomatic approach to its territories - hence the devolved parliaments and the fact that it has already given Gibraltar the option to secede to Spain.[/QUOTE]
what. maybe recently the UK has given a fuck about it's territories but in the past they certainly haven't. and if you think the UK hasn't tried to kill off large portions of the irish population then maybe you should look a little more into the great famine
[QUOTE=David29;25038208]Another person who failed to notice that I was talking about the present.
Also, look up the meaning of genocide - you'll find that the British didn't try to kill off huge swaths of the Irish population.[/quote]
They kinda did. The whole taking our food and letting us suffer is one example. They would kill the Irish whenever they damned well please.
Black and tan squads never existed, tru story
[quote]Examples, please?[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans[/url]
[url]http://home.snu.edu/~dwilliam/f97projects/ireland/EnglishOccupation.html[/url]
The illegal occupation of Belfast in the 80's.
That's ok, just deny your country ever did anything wrong to us.
[quote]Don't make me laugh.
The UK has always maintained a very democratic and diplomatic approach to its territories - hence the devolved parliaments and the fact that it has already given Gibraltar the option to secede to Spain.[/QUOTE]
India? Ireland? Hong Kong? The British treat their territories like shit.
You're a fucking tool.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25038624]They kinda did. The whole taking our food and letting us suffer is one example. They would kill the Irish whenever they damned well please.
Black and tan squads never existed, tru story
[/QUOTE]
i'll have you know warhol that the royal ulster constabulary were a sublime and quite effective anti-criminal organization!!!!
They're just butthurt over stuff done by long dead Brits in a completely different time, like most present British and Irish people still give a shit.
anti-animal orginisation amirite
see what i did there? i'm calling david29 a racist who thinks mass slaughter of irish people is cool
see what i did?
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[QUOTE=petieng;25038988]They're just butthurt over stuff done by long dead Brits in a completely different time, like most present British and Irish people still give a shit.[/QUOTE]
20 years ago wasn't that long ago.
I can understand why the Ira fight. But killing innocent people and children who have nothing to do with anything(bloody friday, Claudy, Shankill, Omagh, Manchester, Brighton,Birmingham etc) will not get them very far at all.
They say they don't mean it. But if they didn't mean it then they wouldn't place bombs where people & children are about would they? They didn't do this just once but a number of times.
A lot of the things Britain done to Ireland happened centuries ago. Also Americans coming on here talking rubbish, your country in recent times has tried to police and bully the world into following their ways so you can't talk.
-snipwhydidiwritethis-
[QUOTE=David29;25031469]I'm loving how you, as well as many others, are continuing to take what I said in [b]completely[/b] the wrong context. I was responding to PvtCupcakes' comments on the [b]present[/b] situation, not what has happened in the past.[/QUOTE]
You do realise the present situation is [b]directly connected[/b] to the 800 years of oppression, segregation and violence right? That's not exactly something people forget.
Cool my brother is stationed in Northen Ireland in Belfast at the moment.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;25040226]History lesson time!
The UK vs. Ireland thing has been going on for hundreds of years. Even way back to, If I am correct (Most likely not, feel free to correct) 1400's. When England tried to take over Ireland, they brought there religon with them, protestants. While the two religons (Irish were Catholic and English were Protestants) were pretty much the same, the followers had different feelings about certain things, like the act of union and so on.
Then After many years of trouble, England decided to seperate the South and North of Ireland. Since protestants mainly ocupied the North, it (The North) stayed part of the UK, while Ireland was free, as it had a lesser protestant majority.
The Catholics in Northern Ireland were pissed.
And you can put one and two together.
I realise this is actually quite horrible, but it's simply a brief for people who may not be so familiar with the troubles in Northern Ireland and so on. I recomend you all go research it. Read a book or something.[/QUOTE]
That was certainly horrible, at least use wikipedia.
I hope there's no bloodshed.
[QUOTE=Explosions;25040527]I hope there's no bloodshed.[/QUOTE]
I decided to peruse your 8 posts in your time here and I concluded you are the most boring human being to ever live
The whole thing was really about Protestants and Roman Catholic nationalists battling it out. A good amount of Northern Irish residence immigrated from Britain years ago - hence a lot of them want to remain part of the United Kingdom and why they are a Protestant dominant region. If they want to be part of the United Kingdom still (which was voted in favour) then I see no real problem. A lot of the Irish people I know when I go home to visit the family don't actually care about this trivial thing anymore because Ireland is trying to move on, I think they have realized they can't blame [I]everything[/I] on the British anymore.
[QUOTE=Explosions;25040527]I hope there's no bloodshed.[/QUOTE]
If there is there won't be much. The Irish can't properly kill each other or the British. Like a few thousand people died in a [B]3[/B] [B]year [/B]civil war and even less in their independence war.
[QUOTE=RBM11;25040606]If there is there won't be much. The Irish can't properly kill each other or the British. Like a few thousand people died in a [B]3[/B] [B]year [/B]civil war and even less in their independence war.[/QUOTE]
You do realise Ireland has a population half the size of New York, right? A few thousand is a LOT to us.
Ireland (Republic): 4,470,700 (estimate)
New York City: 8,391,881
[QUOTE=RBM11;25040606]If there is there won't be much. The Irish can't properly kill each other or the British. Like a few thousand people died in a [B]3[/B] [B]year [/B]civil war and even less in their independence war.[/QUOTE]
Can you even point out Ireland on a map?
Seriously, you're fucking ignorant about everything else.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25040767]Can you even point out Ireland on a map?
Seriously, you're fucking ignorant about everything else.[/QUOTE]
:smug:
What exactly? Also quit taking things so fucking seriously in every single ITN thread ever. Your blood pressure must be through the roof.
posting = irl
tru story
if i say a naughty word that means I'm actually angry?
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How the fuck do you read my emotions through text?
[QUOTE=Warhol;25040932]posting = irl
tru story
if i say a naughty word that means I'm actually angry?
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How the fuck do you read my emotions through text?[/QUOTE]
It's called [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_%28literature%29"]tone[/URL].
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