UK Government advisor calls to ban all energy drinks from schools - "‘Energy drinks are effectively - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;43607977]Of course they are, but I think people should be able to do what they want if it doesn't harm anyone else. If people want to drink this stuff, what right do lawmakers have to say that they can't?[/QUOTE] This isn't "people". We're talking about schoolchildren here. We don't let them buy cigarettes, alcohol or cars because children are cognitively undeveloped.

An Energy Drink once in a while isn't bad but it's not really healthy either. I also see a lot of people chugging them down like water and I wonder how long it will take until they fuck their health up. Makes me worried about my little brother because he does that, too. Warned him about it, but I'm positive he'll cut his consume since he's living on his own now and doesn't have all that money to buy endless amounts of it.

[QUOTE=bitches;43608026]These drinks being abused is a legitimate concern, but likening them to drugs is definitely the wrong way to go. Sure it sensationalizes to the target power-holding audience, but they are so obviously not drugs that this might rub them the wrong way like it does us.[/QUOTE] Caffeine pills are considered drugs, and these drinks can contain the same amount, if not more, than a extra-strength caffeine pill. The 710ml Monster can, which people down like water, contains over 237mg of caffeine, which is 37mg more than an extra strength caffeine pill.

Why not teach them how to use them properly instead of blanket banning them from schools?

If they think of it as a drug why don't they educate people about it rather than straight out ban it, I mean kids think it's just another drink. We all know the war on drugs is a complete waste of money.

[QUOTE=bitches;43608026]These drinks being abused is a legitimate concern, but likening them to drugs is definitely the wrong way to go. Sure it sensationalizes to the target power-holding audience, but they are so obviously not drugs that this might rub them the wrong way like it does us.[/QUOTE] why not? they are drugs. the issue is with the stigmatism of the word 'drugs' where people instantly view is a negative thing. drugs aren't negative. very few drugs are inherently dangerous in moderation and caffeine is no exception. it's still a drug though i had around 4 hours sleep last night and have had a fuck tonne of work to do today and didn't feel i could function without caffeine. i've had 2 flat whites and, uncharacteristically me of me, i also had a monster (albeit a sugar-free one) at around 3 o'clock. by 5 i was on such a bad comedown from all this that my hands were shaking how can you not liken that to a drug? i don't think people should really be banned from taking any kind of drug and i believe the war on drugs is a pathetic and failed waste of money... but i only apply that logic to adults. kids should be educated on energy drinks just like any other drug but i don't believe they should be in a school environment, especially not sold there. people underestimate the effects of caffeine way too much. if i have too much caffeine i basically become as impractical and useless as i would after a few beers

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;43608095]Why not teach them how to use them properly instead of blanket banning them from schools?[/QUOTE] "use them properly?" These are cans of stimulant drugs, there is no way to "use them properly," especially not at that age. "why not teach minors how to have sex with adults and not suffer psychological problems" You cannot "teach" an underdeveloped child to not be negatively affected by a drink that contains enough caffeine to damage their kidneys, heart, liver, and brain, all while causing caffeine dependence and causing irreversible developmental problems. (tremors woop woop) These aren't adults who have the mental capacity to decide what is right and wrong for themselves, these are kids who are being sold a drug in a drink because something that was originally meant for adults started reaching a demographic of adolescents who wanted "energy." [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=leontodd;43608126]If they think of it as a drug why don't they educate people about it rather than straight out ban it, I mean kids think it's just another drink. We all know the war on drugs is a complete waste of money.[/QUOTE] Again, these aren't "people," these are kids. Secondly, it's not banning the drink from being bought or sold or consumed, its preventing it from being sold by schools. What part of that is a problem? Should schools capitalize on caffeine addiction?

[QUOTE=bitches;43608026]These drinks being abused is a legitimate concern, but likening them to drugs is definitely the wrong way to go. Sure it sensationalizes to the target power-holding audience, [I]but they are so obviously not drugs[/I][/QUOTE] What in the merry fuck exactly is it that distinguishes alcohol and THC as a "drugs" while caffeine gets it's own categorical superposition? [quote=The Definition of Drug]a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.[/quote] Caffeine is a drug just like any other "drug" substance. If it is unhealthy or adversely effects student performance then it shouldn't be allowed to be used recreationally, or over-consumed in schools.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;43607977]Of course they are, but I think people should be able to do what they want if it doesn't harm anyone else. If people want to drink this stuff, what right do lawmakers have to say that they can't?[/QUOTE] kids don't understand consequence or long term health properly, its unfair on them to give them full independence. [QUOTE=bitches;43608026]These drinks being abused is a legitimate concern, but likening them to drugs is definitely the wrong way to go. Sure it sensationalizes to the target power-holding audience, but they are so obviously not drugs that this might rub them the wrong way like it does us.[/QUOTE] caffeine is a drug

I love energy drinks and I drink one once in a while but I tried Monster Energy once and it tastes like shit.

[QUOTE=Yumyumbublegum;43607628]I don't understand how some people can drink like 2-3 a day. how are you even alive[/QUOTE] The only reason I drink them is because they cost 30 fucking cents.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;43608369]The only reason I drink them is because they cost 30 fucking cents, the ones I buy aren't much more than water with a slight flavor and a bit of a color.[/QUOTE] Why not just drink water in the first place then.

[QUOTE=FpShepard;43608382]Why not just drink water in the first place then.[/QUOTE] Fish fuck in it

I thought I had a reason but I forgot it you win this round [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] For whatever reason bottled water is more expensive than those energy drinks, at least in the store where I usually go.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;43608425]For whatever reason bottled water is more expensive than those energy drinks, at least in the store where I usually go.[/QUOTE] probably because it's the biggest scam ever take a bottle to school/college/whatever and fill it up at the taps. i dunno what tap water is like where you live but in the north of england it's beautiful. tbh i find a good glass of cold water wakes me up and keeps me going better than coffee. hydration is really important and it has no comedown

I probably drink these things more than most people here, but I can agree on them being banned in schools. The last people that should be drinking energy drinks are underdeveloped kids that need to be doing school work and not tweaking out.

Meh, kind of a bad suggestion. Why not just make the classes for the kids more interesting instead of banning things which help the kids stay awake in the boring classes? The only reason I'd support a ban like this is because it's one of the most common forms of litter I've found around schools + it's probably not good for their teeth.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43608490]probably because it's the biggest scam ever take a bottle to school/college/whatever and fill it up at the taps. i dunno what tap water is like where you live but in the north of england it's beautiful. tbh i find a good glass of cold water wakes me up and keeps me going better than coffee. hydration is really important and it has no comedown[/QUOTE] Here's a tip too, all tap water from anywhere in the UK is drinkable unless there is a sign that says 'not drinking water'

Energy drinks are lnot effectively but literally another form of drugs. Just like coffee. Just because something is drugs doesn't mean it's bad, UK.

[QUOTE=Chopstick;43608552]Meh, kind of a bad suggestion. Why not just make the classes for the kids more interesting instead of banning things which help the kids stay awake in the boring classes? The only reason I'd support a ban like this is because it's one of the most common forms of litter I've found around schools + it's probably not good for their teeth.[/QUOTE] yeah man fuck school its so lame They're kids. They are literally bundles of energy; the metabolism of a child, adolescent, or teenager is insane, and if they are falling asleep in class, they aren't getting proper nutrition and sleep. If you're under the age of 30, (unless you're in med school) and rely on 710ml cans of caffeine to keep you awake during classes, you are obviously not eating and sleeping well. The caffeine is more damaging than people realize, and all it takes is a proper meal and length of sleep to be alert and focused no matter how boring a class is. No one still in primary->secondary school "needs" caffeine to stay awake; if these classes really "bore" you that much, drink water, or I don't know, pay attention.

Energy drinks are nauseating.. coffee is soothing.

There is less caffeine in one whole can of energy drink than in your standard cup of coffee. The whole energy drink scare is overblown out of proportion. I do however agree that it's consumption should be limited amongst young teenagers who could have their puberty messed up a bit with the intake of too much coffeine, which is why I like the age limit of 14 in most stores, but that's kind of obvious. Personally I get myself a Monster Khaos every now and again just because I like the taste, I don't really feel any energy drink really keeps me awake anymore and I don't like coffee. The neutral light from monitors is more than enough to force your brain to stay awake anyways.

[QUOTE=dgg;43608920]There is less caffeine in one whole can of energy drink than in your standard cup of coffee. The whole energy drink scare is overblown out of proportion. I do however agree that it's consumption should be limited amongst young teenagers who could have their puberty messed up a bit with the intake of too much coffeine, which is why I like the age limit of 14 in most stores, but that's kind of obvious.[/QUOTE] People don't down their coffee in 10 seconds though..

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43608676]yeah man fuck school its so lame They're kids. They are literally bundles of energy; the metabolism of a child, adolescent, or teenager is insane, and if they are falling asleep in class, they aren't getting proper nutrition and sleep. If you're under the age of 30, (unless you're in med school) and rely on 710ml cans of caffeine to keep you awake during classes, you are obviously not eating and sleeping well. The caffeine is more damaging than people realize, and all it takes is a proper meal and length of sleep to be alert and focused no matter how boring a class is. No one still in primary->secondary school "needs" caffeine to stay awake; if these classes really "bore" you that much, drink water, or I don't know, pay attention.[/QUOTE] Hey take a chill pill. I am not implying that children everywhere are suffering from some endemic plague of boredom and tiredness. The effects of caffeine are simply that they help you maintain attention and lessen the boredom experienced in a classroom which to me sounds like a good thing for students rather than a bad one. The problem for me wasn't one of sleep, that's something that I struggle with daily anyway but one where I would maintain consciousness but still be stuck in a boring classroom for a long time - coffee helped prevent this from being overwhelmingly boring. For the count primary and parts of secondary school were quite entertaining actually, it's just as soon as we all grew up to around 12-14+ the lessons being taught became increasingly more repetitive and hence boring.

[QUOTE=AK'z;43608944]People don't down their coffee in 10 seconds though..[/QUOTE] That depends on the person though... What makes you say that every person that drinks energy drinks down it? I usually spend minutes taking a slurp now and then with my energy drinks. And what makes you say that every person that drinks coffee sips it for 20 minutes at a café? There are more than enough people that just needs a cup of coffee right there and then to quicken up, or maybe they are in a hurry and just need a wake up call before job. And you still intake the caffeine so what's the big difference? People are more likely to drink 3-6 cups of coffee than 3-6 cans of energy drink during a day as well, and given that the amount of caffeine found in a regular cup of coffee is easily 2-4x higher than a can of energy that is a major difference in intake as well.

[QUOTE=dgg;43608979]That depends on the person though... What makes you say that every person that drinks energy drinks down it? I usually spend minutes taking a slurp now and then with my energy drinks. And what makes you say that every person that drinks coffee sips it for 20 minutes at a café? And you still intake the coffeine so what's the big difference?[/QUOTE] It's a big difference. If I slowly take in coffee, the caffeine effect kicks in gradually and smoothly, but if I took in an energy drink, I'd experience extreme tiredness and general nausea before it kicks in. I don't know if it's a chemical thing but that's just what I've found. Energy drinks in general have made me feel like total shit

[QUOTE=AK'z;43609031]It's a big difference. If I slowly take in coffee, the caffeine effect kicks in gradually and smoothly, but if I took in an energy drink, I'd experience extreme tiredness and general nausea before it kicks in. I don't know if it's a chemical thing but that's just what I've found. Energy drinks in general have made me feel like total shit[/QUOTE] Drink the energy drink slower then? The choice of downing or slowly drinking coffee and energy drinks is up to each individual. It's surely easier to drink a cold energy drink faster than a hot coffee, but it's still a choice.

"u wot m8, im gonna get hyper on 3 cans of monster if i want to!!!" - year 8 chavs

[QUOTE=dgg;43608920]There is less caffeine in one whole can of energy drink than in your standard cup of coffee. The whole energy drink scare is overblown out of proportion. I do however agree that it's consumption should be limited amongst young teenagers who could have their puberty messed up a bit with the intake of too much coffeine, which is why I like the age limit of 14 in most stores, but that's kind of obvious. Personally I get myself a Monster Khaos every now and again just because I like the taste, I don't really feel any energy drink really keeps me awake anymore and I don't like coffee. The neutral light from monitors is more than enough to force your brain to stay awake anyways.[/QUOTE] And children should not be sold coffee either. However, there is a difference in that coffee is not sold in 710ml cans, and while the caffeine proportion in coffee is greater, (by a smidgen actually; 4.0e-4 coffee vs. 3.6e-4 monster) coffee is often not sold above 237ml; not to mention, coffee doesn't necessarily have sugar unless prepared with sugar, and can be sold decaffeinated as well. Energy drinks have this subculture where young adults and children drink them from these large containers, and do so frequently, a mentality not seen with coffee. But yes, coffee is just as bad and children shouldn't be sold coffee in school either.

A girl at school drank 3 of the tall monsters and ended up in the hospital. Those things are actually pretty dangerous.