Space Exploration to Mars officially forbidden, according to The General Authority of Islamic Affair - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;44000492]Islam should prohibit people from blowing themselves up then.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Strontboer;44000500]Well shit guys, We'll just have to cancel our inter-planetary expansion plans because my imaginary friend says so.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Tmaxx;44000563]that's great, now go back to stoning rape victims you hypocrites.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mbbird;44000666]"wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhhhhhhhhh" -The General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment[/QUOTE] You. Are. All. Such. Fucking. [B]CUNTS.[/B] [B]Stop. this.[/B] The only thing this thread shows is how uncontrollably bigoted, ignorant, and Islamophobic this place is. But of course, as the record has shown, you'll all bombard me with boxes, vehemently deny your bigotry, and go back to your close-minded circlejerk. [editline]21st February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Miskav;44001027]Religion will not hold back humanity again, I'd give my life just to keep religion in the background [/QUOTE] See, right here. This is the exact same kind of fanatical mindset that you people are bitching about in regards to Islam. If your militant atheism is enough to drive you to give your life towards the elimination of religion, you are no better than those Islamists who blow themselves up to annihilate other religious groups. You're just adding fuel to the fire, and your just too fucking euphoric and self-righteous to see it. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You can get your points across without having to insult people." - Swebonny))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Killer900;44001222]Muslims can't go to Mars. Even more reason to go to Mars now, virtually no risk of getting killed by extremists.[/QUOTE] Yeah no worries tho, high levels of radioactivity, thin deadly athmosphere, extreme temperatures and giant sandstorms will do that to ya.

[QUOTE=lapsus_;44001403]Yeah no worries tho, high levels of radioactivity, thin deadly athmosphere, extreme temperatures and giant sandstorms will do that to ya.[/QUOTE]hmm that is true, all in due time I'm sure!

[QUOTE=slayer64;44001332]You. Are. All. Such. Fucking. [B]CUNTS.[/B] [B]Stop. this.[/B] The only thing this thread shows is how uncontrollably bigoted, ignorant, and Islamophobic this place is. But of course, as the record has shown, you'll all bombard me with boxes, vehemently deny your bigotry, and go back to your close-minded circlejerk. [editline]21st February 2014[/editline] See, right here. This is the exact same kind of fanatical mindset that you people are bitching about in regards to Islam. If your militant atheism is enough to drive you to give your life towards the elimination of religion, you are no better than those Islamists who blow themselves up to annihilate other religious groups. You're just adding fuel to the fire, and your just too fucking euphoric and self-righteous to see it.[/QUOTE] seriously religion fundamentalism is the only thing that holds us back scientifically, and fundamentalism kills people over bullshit stuff like witch trails, crusades, jihads, and other bullshit laws and stuff over non-extincting entities.

[QUOTE=slayer64;44001332]You. Are. All. Such. Fucking. [B]CUNTS.[/B] [B]Stop. this.[/B] The only thing this thread shows is how uncontrollably bigoted, ignorant, and Islamophobic this place is. But of course, as the record has shown, you'll all bombard me with boxes, vehemently deny your bigotry, and go back to your close-minded circlejerk. [editline]21st February 2014[/editline] See, right here. This is the exact same kind of fanatical mindset that you people are bitching about in regards to Islam. If your militant atheism is enough to drive you to give your life towards the elimination of religion, you are no better than those Islamists who blow themselves up to annihilate other religious groups. You're just adding fuel to the fire, and your just too fucking euphoric and self-righteous to see it.[/QUOTE] God forbid FP sees Islam as a heterogeneous group of about 1,6 billion people. Surely they must all think exactly the same. Also OP, Fox news as a source, like, the media outlet that has a guy claiming we can't explain tides? This thread was doomed from the beginning...

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44001399]This just in: Islam does this though. To deny that such actions aren't supported by the qua-ran is to cherry pick.[/QUOTE] Some sects of Islam do some things, others do other things. It's easy to generalize. To be fair, I don't think there are many people in here who know what the General Authority for Islamic Affairs and Endowments stand for, and researched them before making a comment in this thread.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44001399]This just in: Islam does this though. To deny that such actions aren't supported by the qua-ran is to cherry pick.[/QUOTE] tell me where the quran says that rape victims should be stoned or suicide bombing is ok

[QUOTE=slayer64;44001332]You. Are. All. Such. Fucking. [B]CUNTS.[/B] [B]Stop. this.[/B] The only thing this thread shows is how uncontrollably bigoted, ignorant, and Islamophobic this place is. But of course, as the record has shown, you'll all bombard me with boxes, vehemently deny your bigotry, and go back to your close-minded circlejerk.[/QUOTE] Calling people cunts and other names aren't a very good way of arguing, maybe if you tried not being an asshole about things, people could take you a bit seriously. Also you usually get bombarded with boxes because you tend to make up arguments nobody are actually making and attack those, that has nothing to with ignorance, bigotry, Islamophobia or anything else than your persecution complex. [QUOTE]See, right here. This is the exact same kind of fanatical mindset that you people are bitching about in regards to Islam. If your militant atheism is enough to drive you to give your life towards the elimination of religion, you are no better than those Islamists who blow themselves up to annihilate other religious groups. You're just adding fuel to the fire, and your just too fucking euphoric and self-righteous to see it.[/QUOTE] Why are you typing as if this is some generally accepted mindset here? Recently it's been pretty much the opposite. "Militant atheism" (which is a stupid concept to begin with) has been more and more frowned upon than ever before. You'd be having fun around these parts five years ago.

[QUOTE=slayer64;44001332]You. Are. All. Such. Fucking. [B]CUNTS.[/B] [B]Stop. this.[/B] The only thing this thread shows is how uncontrollably bigoted, ignorant, and Islamophobic this place is. But of course, as the record has shown, you'll all bombard me with boxes, vehemently deny your bigotry, and go back to your close-minded circlejerk. [/QUOTE] I don't give a [B]shit[/B] that they're Muslim. They could be Christian, Atheist, a part of a satanic cult, it doesn't matter. It's a stupid ultimatum.

i think either way the safety issues and general driving ethics behind Mars One should get you to at least consider that the possibility of you dying is quite probable. as far as i can tell the whole operation basically thrives on astronaut expendability and wishful thinking [editline]22nd February[/editline] basically if your religion says for you to try not to die then don't join Mars One (cos you'll fuckin die)

[QUOTE=slayer64;44001332]You. Are. All. Such. Fucking. [B]CUNTS.[/B] [B]Stop. this.[/B] The only thing this thread shows is how uncontrollably bigoted, ignorant, and Islamophobic this place is. But of course, as the record has shown, you'll all bombard me with boxes, vehemently deny your bigotry, and go back to your close-minded circlejerk. [editline]21st February 2014[/editline] See, right here. This is the exact same kind of fanatical mindset that you people are bitching about in regards to Islam. If your militant atheism is enough to drive you to give your life towards the elimination of religion, you are no better than those Islamists who blow themselves up to annihilate other religious groups. You're just adding fuel to the fire, and your just too fucking [U][B]euphoric [/B][/U]and self-righteous to see it.[/QUOTE]oh boy i sure do love my anti-atheist memes! You forgot to call us neckbearded fedora wearers too

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44001517]I dunno, maybe the 109 verses calling muslims to fight everyone who doesn't agree with them.. here, have one of them: [url]http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php#002.191[/url][/QUOTE] this is an important example on why context is everything the quran wasn't revealed in a day. it was gradually revealed to muhammad during his years as a prophet. a lot of the revelations were revealed based on what was happening and those versed just so happened to be revealed when the kuffar decided to go to war against the muslims. so obviously allah revealed that you should fight back. hell it even says that if they stop, then you stop! [editline]21st February 2014[/editline] [quote]002.193 YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.[/quote] literally 2 verses down

[QUOTE=slayer64;44001332]You. Are. All. Such. Fucking. [B]CUNTS.[/B] [B]Stop. this.[/B] The only thing this thread shows is how uncontrollably bigoted, ignorant, and Islamophobic this place is. But of course, as the record has shown, you'll all bombard me with boxes, vehemently deny your bigotry, and go back to your close-minded circlejerk. [editline]21st February 2014[/editline] See, right here. This is the exact same kind of fanatical mindset that you people are bitching about in regards to Islam. If your militant atheism is enough to drive you to give your life towards the elimination of religion, you are no better than those Islamists who blow themselves up to annihilate other religious groups. You're just adding fuel to the fire, and your just too fucking euphoric and self-righteous to see it.[/QUOTE] how is [I]my[/I] comment being cunty? it actually fucking happens. girls get beaten and killed because they were raped. radical islam is [I]not[/I] a good thing, im not going to sugar coat it.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;44001572]how is [I]my[/I] comment being cunty? it actually fucking happens. girls get beaten and killed because they were raped. radical islam is [I]not[/I] a good thing, im not going to sugar coat it.[/QUOTE] That's true, but who's to say if the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment are part of radical Islam? slayer64 phrases his argument in all the wrong ways, but the message in the OP isn't really radical. [QUOTE="the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment via the article in the OP"]“Protecting life against all possible dangers and keeping it safe is an issue agreed upon by all religions and is clearly stipulated in verse 4/29 of the Holy Quran: Do not kill yourselves or one another. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.”[/QUOTE]

I feel that it's a nice gesture.

[QUOTE=Number-41;44001432]God forbid FP sees Islam as a heterogeneous group of about 1,6 billion people. Surely they must all think exactly the same. Also OP, Fox news as a source? This thread was doomed from the beginning...[/QUOTE] You're right though. Facepunch very often sees the 1.6 billion muslims are extremists, where in reality about 6% are. Facepunch has a history of ignoring the other 94%. Muslims are just people, they aren't inherently bad at all. Some muslims i've met are extremely kind people, who work hard and respect others, others try to rip you off, but i've seen this in all parts of the world where a white man walks into a bazaar/market. Facepunch very often ignores the Christian extremism, fervent anti-gays, and people of decide that putting up a picture of a dead baby on a billboard is a good way to protest. One of the worst cases is the general Islamaphobia the America has suffered since the 9/11 attacks. A good comparison to Jihadist groups is actually white extremist groups. Beatings, killings, cult like groups, heavy indoctrination at a young age. Both of those ring true. Did you know that most Suicide bombers don't actually know they'll die? They're told that the bomb will "explode outward" and leave them safe. Even though i'm agnostic, i've got a great interest in Theology and psychology.

"If we can't go to Mars, no one can!!"

[QUOTE=The Aussie;44001613]You're right though. Facepunch very often sees the 1.6 billion muslims are extremists, where in reality about 6% are. Facepunch has a history of ignoring the other 94%. I, unlike many you you, have traveled to the middle east. Muslims are just people, they aren't inherently bad at all. Some muslims i've met are extremely kind people, who work hard and respect others, others try to rip you off, but i've seen this in all parts of the world where a white man walks into a bazaar/market. Facepunch very often ignores the Christian extremism, fervent anti-gays, and people of decide that putting up a picture of a dead baby on a billboard is a good way to protest. One of the worst cases is the general Islamaphobia the America has suffered since the 9/11 attacks. A good comparison to Jihadist groups is actually white extremist groups. Beatings, killings, cult like groups, heavy indoctrination at a young age. Both of those ring true. Did you know that most Suicide bombers don't actually know they'll die? They're told that the bomb will "explode outward" and leave them safe. Even though i'm agnostic, i've got a great interest in Theology and psychology, i know what i'm fucking talking about. I've actually (unlike many of you) been to and experienced many different cultures and places in this world.[/QUOTE] I don't want people saying "facepunch isn't a hive mind" when the first few posts of this thread are people grating Islam.

Many people are also bringing up accusations of mistreatment of women and stoning. This (unfortunately) has been part of arabic culture since pre-Islam. Islam doesn't speak out against it much as it was considered normal at the time and Muhammad's budding religion wouldn'tve taken off if he pretty much started denouncing thousands of years of Arabic tradition. Do i also need remind you that during the crusades, Christianity was pretty much exactly like Islam is today, and the Islamic world was the intellectual capital of the world, where many great theories of medicine, astronomy, navigation etc were founded. Prior to that, it was the Christian Roman empire. [editline]22nd February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;44001649]Hey look, I can draw from personal experiences too. Ever wonder what it's like to watch a little girl get her skull caved in, because you gave her candy and not her brother. Ever wonder what it's like to get shot at because some dick said "hey those guys are evil". Hang on, lemme add my sense of self importance *ahem* I (unlike many of you) have seen these things, and experienced plenty of other cultures myself.[/QUOTE] You think fucking Islam was the root cause of that little girl getting her skull caved in? Any normal human being, Islamic, Christian, Buddhists, whatever, would have recognized that is not a fucking okay thing to do? Ever think why that dick said "hey these guys are evil"? Maybe because after the soviets left, the middle east was actually mildly progressive? The Taliban was trained by the US to fight the soviets as a sort of proxy war. When the Taliban turned around and said "hey, fuck off US this is our country", shit went downhill fast. That's why Afghanistan is a shithole, because if the guy who often makes random houses full of kids explode from thousands of miles in the air comes to your house and says "hey, don't help those guys who want to free your country from under our yoke, they're dicks", who the fuck are you going to believe? Islam has a lot less to do with the wars in the middle east than you think.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44001649]Hey look, I can draw from personal experiences too. Ever wonder what it's like to watch a little girl get her skull caved in, because you gave her candy and not her brother. Ever wonder what it's like to get shot at because some dick said "hey those guys are evil". Hang on, lemme add my sense of self importance *ahem* I (unlike many of you) have seen these things, and experienced plenty of other cultures myself.[/QUOTE] Every country, religion, and ethnic and political group has awful people. Do you want me to go and say every U.S. Airman is evil because of drone attacks? Do you want me to say communists are evil because of the Soviet Union? Do you want me to say Spaniards are bad because of Franco?

I have never been to the middle east and I don't know many Muslims. But with this, like most things I can still say with certainty that there is more than one perspective, and experiencing only one perspective is often what causes conflict to begin with. How about we treat people like people, and ideologies as personal rather than general philosophy to which each person and group has their own personal twist on? There are thousands of interpretations, millions of people and billions of perspectives - one new one for each action, good or bad, committed by each person.

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;44000505]you could say the same thing about individuals who go to the UAE[/QUOTE] UAE is one of the most stable states in the middle east. Think more Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan etc. Then you're more likely to be kidnapped for ransom money by desert tribes than be killed in some "holy war".

[QUOTE=The Aussie;44001651]Many people are also bringing up accusations of mistreatment of women and stoning. This (unfortunately) has been part of arabic culture since pre-Islam. Islam doesn't speak out against it much as it was considered normal at the time and Muhammad's budding religion wouldn'tve taken off if he pretty much started denouncing thousands of years of Arabic tradition. Do i also need remind you that during the crusades, Christianity was pretty much exactly like Islam is today, and the Islamic world was the intellectual capital of the world, where many great theories of medicine, astronomy, navigation etc were founded. Prior to that, it was the Christian Roman empire.[/QUOTE] Let's just get to a point here before this debate derails. You can believe in any religion as you wish, but please don't use it for justification/reason of something bad or force it on others. @Topic It is not really up to them to decide if someone does a journey to the mars.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44001727]No, I don't think that islam made any of them wrong, or influenced (most) of that. I'm pointing out what a huge twat you were making of yourself by saying "UNLIKE ALL OF YOUUUUU, I'VE BEEN THERE, ITS TOTALLY NOT LIKE THAT, LOOK AT ME".[/QUOTE] Fair cop then, anecdotal experience doesn't matter then. I guess my point about having experienced it is moot, as well as yours.

i think you guys are getting hung up on the religious aspects here when you should be focusing more on the general ethical concerns of the mission. pretty much, if you aren't cool with the idea of dying from starvation or a gangrenous limb in a big irradiated desert with no air and comparatively little gravity, don't join Mars One - doesn't matter if that's because your religion forbids you from doing that, it's still not ethical and it's still tantamount to suicide. now if it was ALL space travel that they were forbidding, then i'd have a problem. i just think that there's better things to risk your life for than an obscenely dangerous and immoral reality TV show.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44001742]I took the liberty to highlight the sections that you could remove, so you stop sounding like some self-righteous jerk. And for the ACTUAL record: For every 1 "bad" guy I saw over there, there was a fucking village of good people, very kind, very generous, always inviting us to eat with them, the food was phenomenal, and I still miss the sweet bread they made.[/QUOTE] Okay fair enough, i'll remove it.

well they can be stuck on Earth and blowing each other up because they didn't believe in something while we travel across space, live on other planets, and have peace throughout countries and cities fuck that would be nice a man can dream

[img]http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~dwiggins/pict43.GIF[/img] Pictured and not to scale: points at which they could draw a line to the mecca. Space-Islamist children would be the best at spacial geometry and trigonometry from an early age.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;44001613]You're right though. Facepunch very often sees the 1.6 billion muslims are extremists, where in reality about 6% are. Facepunch has a history of ignoring the other 94%. Muslims are just people, they aren't inherently bad at all. Some muslims i've met are extremely kind people, who work hard and respect others, others try to rip you off, but i've seen this in all parts of the world where a white man walks into a bazaar/market. Facepunch very often ignores the Christian extremism, fervent anti-gays, and people of decide that putting up a picture of a dead baby on a billboard is a good way to protest. One of the worst cases is the general Islamaphobia the America has suffered since the 9/11 attacks. A good comparison to Jihadist groups is actually white extremist groups. Beatings, killings, cult like groups, heavy indoctrination at a young age. Both of those ring true. Did you know that most Suicide bombers don't actually know they'll die? They're told that the bomb will "explode outward" and leave them safe. Even though i'm agnostic, i've got a great interest in Theology and psychology.[/QUOTE] No no no no. Replace every instance of "facepunch" here with "the general public".

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;44000492]Islam should prohibit people from blowing themselves up then.[/QUOTE] amount of blatant islamophobia relative to the amount of zings