Israeli bulldozers destroy 6 Palestinian Homes in east Jerusalem - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Llivavin;23360076]It's their house, why should it be destroyed for Israel[/QUOTE] Because they built it illegally and Israel needs the land. (though both are for shit reasons, I agree).

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23360106]Because they built it illegally and Israel needs the land. (though both are for shit reasons, I agree).[/QUOTE] Illegally to Israel, last i checked the west bank is Palestine.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23360049] Cool, I'm reading the book too, didn't get far though. Anyway this short story would be truer to life if the names were opposite, considering how Netanyahu wants to start direct peace talks and Abbas refuses.[/QUOTE] He first wants progress in proximity talks before moving to direct. And who can blame him? Netanyahu is ruining ever single chance of peace talks ever occurring.

If it's an illegally built house, then too bad tear it down. If not then it's wrong, even tho almost any government has the right to do it. If the government wanted to bulldoze my house to build a highway, they can because they have the right. They pay for your house and land of course.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23360164]If it's an illegally built house, then too bad tear it down. If not then it's wrong, even tho almost any government has the right to do it. If the government wanted to bulldoze my house to build a highway, they can because they have the right. They pay for your house and land of course.[/QUOTE] Except when that ever happens, the government compensates for your losses etc. You forgot that 94% of all the permit applications were rejected.

Now BurnEmDown has been fairly reasonable, who's going to come in and try and argue that this was for an amazing, unbeatable reason?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23360049]Many people say that the founding fathers of the US should have tried a more diplomatic approach that wouldn't have started a war. [/QUOTE] Any other way would have ended up as America still being Englands bitch. Besides, war was the easiest/fastest way to do this while guaranteeing their freedom. England had to deal with issues in India and else where in the world that was far more important. Other areas where making England money, The colonies were not by doing this mass expansion west of the application which led to fights with natives and the French in Canada. Bitches don't know US/world history, [editline]12:11PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Dotmister;23360245]Now BurnEmDown has been fairly reasonable, who's going to come in and try and argue that this was for an amazing, unbeatable reason?[/QUOTE] BurnEmDown is still protecting the right to do it. And he doesn't grasp that when people are oppressed (or feel) they rise up.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23360049] Cool, I'm reading the book too, didn't get far though. [/QUOTE] >Applied mathematics >Reading the book :downs:

[QUOTE=starpluck;23360220]Except when that ever happens, the government compensates for your losses etc. You forgot that 94% of all the permit applications were rejected.[/QUOTE] There's still that 6%.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23360570]There's still that 6%.[/QUOTE] Do not go there. And yes, if I recall correctly the number is 11 Palestinian homes that were approved.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23360570]There's still that 6%.[/QUOTE] lol, you're ridiculous.

Regardless 94% is unjustifiable.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23360049]Many people say that the founding fathers of the US should have tried a more diplomatic approach that wouldn't have started a war. I think a famous (American) professor wrote a book about "the 3 American holy wars" or something like that, talking about the American war of independence, and the two world wars, and America's mistakes in them. Can't remember the professor's name though, but I do remember that he's really, really old. I don't act like a nationalist and I'm not really one, people here brand me as one because I defend what I think is true. I mean I'm probably going to move to Europe or north America as soon as I can, would a nationalist move from his homeland like that? I don't think so. Cool, I'm reading the book too, didn't get far though. Anyway this short story would be truer to life if the names were opposite, considering how Netanyahu wants to start direct peace talks and Abbas refuses.[/QUOTE] the founding fathers exhausted every single diplomatic opportunity they could, believe me, they did [b]not[/b] want to go to war. there was simply no other option left.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23360647]Regardless 94% is unjustifiable.[/QUOTE] Yes it is unjustifiable, but there's still that 6%. It may be wrong by the government, but it gives them the right to bulldoze a house.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23360164]If it's an illegally built house, then too bad tear it down. If not then it's wrong, even tho almost any government has the right to do it. If the government wanted to bulldoze my house to build a highway, they can because they have the right. They pay for your house and land of course.[/QUOTE] What kind of tremendous pussy are you? And no the government don't have the right to kick folk onto the street, they have to re home the folk.

[QUOTE=bravehat;23361013]What kind of tremendous pussy are you? And no the government don't have the right to kick folk onto the street, they have to re home the folk.[/QUOTE] Actually, they do have the right to build a highway right over your house.

[QUOTE=Llivavin;23360141]Illegally to Israel, last i checked the west bank is Palestine.[/QUOTE] It's not the west Bank, it's east Jerusalem. And yeah I know they're both considered Palestinian territory, but at least get your facts right. [editline]10:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=starpluck;23360160]He first wants progress in proximity talks before moving to direct. And who can blame him? Netanyahu is ruining ever single chance of peace talks ever occurring.[/QUOTE] He could at least try. I know it's not like he doesn't want peace at all (and I think he's doing more for peace than Netanyahu, what's with declaring Israel will be keep the Jewish holy sites in East Jerusalem), but I think he can at least give it a try, maybe something good will come out of it?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;23360669]the founding fathers exhausted every single diplomatic opportunity they could, believe me, they did [b]not[/b] want to go to war. there was simply no other option left.[/QUOTE] Also this. [editline]12:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23361136]It's not the west Bank, it's east Jerusalem. And yeah I know they're both considered Palestinian territory, but at least get your facts right. [/QUOTE] So you see nothing wrong with Israel going into Palestine Territory and taking even MORE land?

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;23360502]>Applied mathematics >Reading the book :downs:[/QUOTE] It's a book, here's an image of it (though in Hebrew, tried looking for an English version but couldn't find it): [IMG]http://simania.co.il/bookimages/covers0/1389.jpg[/IMG] [editline]10:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Llivavin;23360288]Any other way would have ended up as America still being Englands bitch. Besides, war was the easiest/fastest way to do this while guaranteeing their freedom. England had to deal with issues in India and else where in the world that was far more important. Other areas where making England money, The colonies were not by doing this mass expansion west of the application which led to fights with natives and the French in Canada. Bitches don't know US/world history[/quote] I'm assuming an American professor about history and world politics (I think) knows a little more about it than you do. [quote]BurnEmDown is still protecting the right to do it. And he doesn't grasp that when people are oppressed (or feel) they rise up.[/QUOTE] I do grasp it, I just don't think that it should involve violence unless there is clearly no other way, and when it does it shouldn't involve violence against the civilians at all. [editline]10:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Llivavin;23361152]So you see nothing wrong with Israel going into Palestine Territory and taking even MORE land?[/QUOTE] I've never said that, in fact I've said the opposite multiple times.

The book is only in hebrew.

Also, out of 88 houses that were built illegally, which Israel could destroy all of them, 66 got approved and granted permits, so don't leave that out of the picture. [editline]10:57PM[/editline] [QUOTE=starpluck;23361282]The book is only in hebrew.[/QUOTE] Really? Why is that? When I read it it seems like it was translated from English actually.

I'm joking, I never knew it was from a book. I found on the internet somewhere. [editline]10:59PM[/editline] Wanted to see your reaction to me knowing Hebrew.

[QUOTE=Terawattz;23357538]Israel.[/QUOTE] It's not like there are two countries around it lunching missiles into it or a country that is trying to get a nuclear power in order to make Israel disappear right?

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23361308]Also, out of 88 houses that were built illegally, which Israel could destroy all of them, 66 got approved and granted permits, so don't leave that out of the picture. [/QUOTE] Source? And it better be relevant to this incident. [editline]11:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ker‎o;23361476]It's not like there are two countries around it lunching missiles into it or a country that is trying to get a nuclear power in order to make Israel disappear right?[/QUOTE] Hm mmm. Yes, [highlight]two[/highlight] countries are launching [highlight]missiles[/highlight] at Israel, and Ahmenijad who is getting nuclear fuel and never broke on IAEA protocol.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23361379]I'm joking, I never knew it was from a book. I found on the internet somewhere. [editline]10:59PM[/editline] Wanted to see your reaction to me knowing Hebrew.[/QUOTE] I didn't think you knew Hebrew, I just thought you knew about the game theory and knew somehow that a book has been published but only in Hebrew. By the here's the version of it in English: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Games_and_Economic_Behavior[/url] (It's a really cool read and I suggest it especially to people who like strategies and stuff).

Also, Ahmednijad never said he wants to wipe Israel off the map..

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23361219] I'm assuming an American professor about history and world politics (I think) knows a little more about it than you do. I do grasp it, I just don't think that it should involve violence unless there is clearly no other way, and when it does it shouldn't involve violence against the civilians at all. .[/QUOTE] You haven't told us the professor and or the book. And obviously you don't, the people fighting are people who are sick of the political deadlock.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23361584]Also, Ahmednijad never said he wants to wipe Israel off the map..[/QUOTE] He stated that more than a few times, and i posted that more than a few times as well.

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;23361663]He stated that more than a few times, and i posted that more than a few times as well.[/QUOTE] I suppose you didn't get why I highlighted in red. First, Israel is not surrounded by two nations launching missiles at it. It's a small quasi nation, it's not even missiles. And two, Ahmedneijad never said he'll wipe Israel off the map, it was a mistranslation. What he really said was "The regime occupying Jerusalem will vanish from the pages of time, like how the Soviet Union collapsed in Russia."

[QUOTE=starpluck;23361495]Source? And it better be relevant to this incident.[/quote] "Barkat's proposal would allow residents of the other 66 Silwan homes - the ones not slated for demolition - to retroactively apply for construction permits, according to a report in the Jerusalem Post." From the original article a couple weeks back about Israel's plan to demolish the houses. [quote]Hm mmm. Yes, [highlight]two[/highlight] countries are launching [highlight]missiles[/highlight] at Israel, and Ahmenijad who is getting nuclear fuel and never broke on IAEA protocol.[/QUOTE] Well if you count the Hezbollah which did so a few years back and the Hamas which are still doing it for 10 years, then yeah, two countries.