Gene therapy -- Mouse lifespan extended up to 24% with one treatment. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;35965919]...You've [I]no idea[/I] how evolution works. If something isn't necessary for propagating genes, evolution will [I]remove it[/I]. This is why there are species that literally [B]anchor onto a rock and digest their brain[/B] a quarter into their life.[/QUOTE] You mean like Republicans? :v:

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35968309]Isn't that the whole point of prison? To punish a man and get a good feeling of revenge? Death penalty is immoral but driving someone nuts is okay.[/QUOTE] not really

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35965495]Removing aging from our lives removes the crushing burden of time and dread - i.e that you wont have enough time to do everything you ever wanted to or just general fear of nothingness. I dont care what anyone says, if I could have immortality I'd take it in a heart beat. Most popular arguments against immortality like "you lose track of time" or you'll be "overwhelmed by the amount of things you've seen" have already been debunked. For example the reason people assume we'd lose track of time had we became immortal is because that's what happens to old people usually. As you get older, the faster time seemingly goes by, but this is merely an illusion. The older you get, the less energy you have, therefore the less things you do. Eventually you everyday life can be summed up; waking up, taking medication, eating and sleeping. If you were to be immortal, those things would not occur as you'd have the same energy you had when you were in your 20s. You would not age, therefore you could do amazing things by the day, and therefore not lose track of time. Essentially, the more mundane your life is the faster it goes by. The other common argument is debunked via something as simple as personal emotional capacity. One becomes desensitized after witnessing a certain amount of shocking or disturbing things. For example person A would be able to watch a gruesome video of mexican cartel beheading while still taking a bite of his sandwich, and person B - a more sheltered person would be shocked or scarred. Eventually, person B would become just as desensitized as person A and gruesome, unthinkable things would not affect him nearly as much. I dont know why I wrote all of this as most of it is hardly related to anything, just felt like making an observation.[/QUOTE] I agree with you on your points, but not on taking immortality if I could. Frankly I just wouldn't want to become that desensitized. If I'm gonna live, I want to be human while I do so. Also I have a fear of losing people I care about, so I'd rather not outlive everyone I ever knew.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35965495]Removing aging from our lives removes the crushing burden of time and dread - i.e that you wont have enough time to do everything you ever wanted to or just general fear of nothingness. I dont care what anyone says, if I could have immortality I'd take it in a heart beat. Most popular arguments against immortality like "you lose track of time" or you'll be "overwhelmed by the amount of things you've seen" have already been debunked. For example the reason people assume we'd lose track of time had we became immortal is because that's what happens to old people usually. As you get older, the faster time seemingly goes by, but this is merely an illusion. The older you get, the less energy you have, therefore the less things you do. Eventually you everyday life can be summed up; waking up, taking medication, eating and sleeping. If you were to be immortal, those things would not occur as you'd have the same energy you had when you were in your 20s. You would not age, therefore you could do amazing things by the day, and therefore not lose track of time. Essentially, the more mundane your life is the faster it goes by.[/QUOTE] The crushing burden of time and dread comes from the fear of us losing our egos and returning to the nameless void we emerged from as screaming babies:- Yet this was a time free of worries and doubts as these things simply weren't named or labelled. We emerge into the world and spend our entire lives building up and reinforcing who we believe our selves to be:- it's all a complex delusion. Our ideas of who we are, are solely based on who other people told us we were. We were given names, we learned about concepts of 'happiness' - 'sadness' - 'good' - 'bad' - 'love' and we came up with our own ideas on how we could attain these things. We learned what was socially acceptable. We resigned to our fates that we would have to work some-day in order to continue being part of society - living alongside the complex illusion/delusion that is taking place all around us. We generated an idea that children were wrong, unwise, infantile and immature:- whilst adults were all-knowing, knew what was best for us and trusted them to instill ideas of our 'selves' within us. It is we our-selves alone - that turn arising situations that arise into 'problems' amongst other things. We never looked inside and questioned what we were, what we felt and what we had; before we had names. The idea of time passing quickly simply comes with years of slipping into subconscious living, working a job you don't like, keeping to a routine and keeping your mind full of junk you've carried around for your entire life. Here's an exercise:- Fix your attention on your breath as it enters and leaves your body and look to the space between one thought and another to see how long you can sustain it.. Congratulations! That's the present moment. I honestly don't see why you feel you would need more than ~70 years if you were living consciously, that is - second-by-second:- Without a mind full of garbage that people have imposed on you for the entirety of your life. [QUOTE=MountainWatcher;35967440]You claim that happiness and pleasure is pointless, yet you say that the reason we must live is so we may die without fear. fear is nothing but unhappiness coming from not wanting something to happen. Procreation came as a result of evolution. A major factor of evolution is natural selection, which is natural. Yet, we still develop medication to cure illnesses that are a part of natural selection. Whether something is natural or not merely refers to where it comes from, it says nothing about its value.[/QUOTE] Life is not the opposite of death. Birth is the opposite of death. If life is the state of thought/feeling:- then surely the opposite of that is the state of non-thought/void, which you don't even need to physically die to bring about.. You can start by looking at the space between thoughts/ meditate. All that is 'lost' when we 'die' is the ego and the physical functioning of our bodies. Is existence even a physical thing? Who or what is the observer of our thoughts and feels when we step back from identifying with them and instead choose to merely quietly observe them in a dark room free of distraction?