29-year study of 100 billion animals being fed over a trillion meals seems to bring closure to GMO d - Polidicks

GMO is the future no matter how much people will complain. Using seeds that yield twice as much will not be an option, but a requirement for sustainable progress in a couple decades time. I planted GMO barley seeds and I'm PROUD of it.

I thought pretty much everything at this point is modified one way or another. Bananas weren't even yellow until a freak mutation occurred and the guy growing them realized that they were sweeter and didn't need sugar added, so he started growing bananas from them, instead, and now? All you can get are yellow ones. Not technically genetically modified, but it's still selective breeding I guess

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46034200]I thought pretty much everything at this point is modified one way or another. Bananas weren't even yellow until a freak mutation occurred and the guy growing them realized that they were sweeter and didn't need sugar added, so he started growing bananas from them, instead, and now? All you can get are yellow ones. Not technically genetically modified, but it's still selective breeding I guess[/QUOTE] everything i know about fruit is a lie

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46034200]I thought pretty much everything at this point is modified one way or another. Bananas weren't even yellow until a freak mutation occurred and the guy growing them realized that they were sweeter and didn't need sugar added, so he started growing bananas from them, instead, and now? All you can get are yellow ones. Not technically genetically modified, but it's still selective breeding I guess[/QUOTE] Werent carrots grey from the beginning but selective breeding made them their distinct orange hue?

The anti GMO people don't care about factual studies though. They won't believe anything from any credible source. They would rather listen to Mercola, Natural News, etc.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46034259]Werent carrots grey from the beginning but selective breeding made them their distinct orange hue?[/QUOTE] carrots were primarily purple (and often still are but not as much.) orange carrots come from the mutations in some that caused them to grow different, more pale colours

[QUOTE=kibble;46033983]Majority of bananas you see in supermarkets are Cavendish Bananas, which have been bred so the seeds are small or even non-existent but this leaves them open to diseases that ruin crops and with half of the banana production around the world being this type of banana it is a downside.[/QUOTE] Wasn't there a different kind of banana a few decades ago that was wiped out by disease, and the reason we moved to the ones we have now (which are again under-threat from a similar disease)?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46034406]Wasn't there a different kind of banana a few decades ago that was wiped out by disease, and the reason we moved to the ones we have now (which are again under-threat from a similar disease)?[/QUOTE] Yeah, the same thing happened but on way worse scale with the great Irish Potato famine. A species of the plant was [I]completely [/I]wiped out by it.

Under biologist, ranting about anti-GMO people is really the best ice breaker.

I had fun finding out that the different brands of banana come from literally the same fields. As in, the train that ships em to the port stop in the same place and the cars for each brand are loaded at the same time from the same field.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46034406]Wasn't there a different kind of banana a few decades ago that was wiped out by disease, and the reason we moved to the ones we have now (which are again under-threat from a similar disease)?[/QUOTE]Yes, and the current banana you'd find in basically every grocery store in every first-world country was considered to be a pest. You know that artificial banana flavoring? Doesn't quite taste like the banana flavor you know? That's because it's based off of the bananas we grew in the early 1900's and has little to do with actual bananas you get now. Oh, and all the Cavendish bananas currently in production are so unbelievably inbred that they're basically just fucked up retard clones which is why they make dinky little seeds that do nothing.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;46027431]B-but GMOs are full of "toxins"![/QUOTE] My favorite shitty buzzwords will always be "chemicals". Almost everyone I know has at some point said something immensely stupid along the lines of "I won't eat this, it's full of chemicals !". Bitch, everything is made of chemicals. Pure water is a god damn chemical. Grow a brain.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46035109]Yes, and the current banana you'd find in basically every grocery store in every first-world country was considered to be a pest. You know that artificial banana flavoring? Doesn't quite taste like the banana flavor you know? That's because it's based off of the bananas we grew in the early 1900's and has little to do with actual bananas you get now. Oh, and all the Cavendish bananas currently in production are so unbelievably inbred that they're basically just fucked up retard clones which is why they make dinky little seeds that do nothing.[/QUOTE] The seeds of the modern day cavendish do not really exist. They have been bred out. Today, the current stock of all bananas of the cavendish variety are genetic clones of each other. They're bred from the same genetic strain. This is what happened with the Gros Micheal Banana in the 1950's, with the panama virus. Today however, we're not under anywhere near the same risk of a total crop destruction from happening, and the cavendish banana dying out, and even if we were, i'm sure that's not a problem. The reason today, we don't have much of a risk of the panama disease eating our entire crop is because we have genetic clones in secure labs and segregated farms so that there is less risk of cross crop contamination. But it is ultimately of little relevance as we would be able to breed new strains of various types of new bananas with what we know about the banana genome.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46035174]Almost everyone I know has at some point said something immensely stupid along the lines of "I won't eat this, it's full of chemicals !".[/QUOTE]I kind of want to just pounce on somebody when they say that and strangle them while screaming about the chemical composition of air and how much they need it right now. That has flashed through my mind so many times that if I could convert murderous thoughts into precious metals I could construct an exact-scale replica of the Colossus of Rhodes out of palladium. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46035187]But it is ultimately of little relevance as we would be able to breed new strains of various types of new bananas with what we know about the banana genome.[/QUOTE]Basically this is happening right now, once it was understood that a disease or crop-specific pest could potentially decimate most of our consumer banana crop there has been an effort to improve the banana. Cold-hardy banana trees are an example of this, which I think will lead to more effort to bring banana trees into the home. As it sits right now, Dwarf Cavendish grow to eight feet tall, which is the common ceiling height for [i]most[/i] places but it makes managing the plant a bitch. Having smaller banana trees, even if they're producing fruit not of the familiar Cavendish shape, would probably be a big hit with gardening enthusiasts much like the ever-increasing availability of apple tree varieties have been for the rural homesteader.

This thread made me understand that we're making an entire planet of mutants just for our own pleasure, pretty badass

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46026604]in order to combat people being dumb about gmo foods i go out of my way to make sure everything i eat has been genetically modified in some way[/QUOTE] To be honest, my issue with GMO foods aren't the foods themselves, but the usage of practices like terminator genes, massive copyrighting and a bunch of other stuff which is used by companies that push GMO. Therein lies the biggest issue.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;46036285]To be honest, my issue with GMO foods aren't the foods themselves, but the usage of practices like terminator genes, massive copyrighting and a bunch of other stuff which is used by companies that push GMO. Therein lies the biggest issue.[/QUOTE] well yeah i hate that about GMOs too, just almost every person who i have talked to is anti-gmo have no idea about any of that and think eating gmos will give you retarded baby cancer or something [editline]20th September 2014[/editline] the anti-gmo movement is damaging because it doesn't pay attention to the real problems and instead believes in studies which have been rebuked multiple times and pseudoscientists

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46035174]My favorite shitty buzzwords will always be "chemicals". Almost everyone I know has at some point said something immensely stupid along the lines of "I won't eat this, it's full of chemicals !". Bitch, everything is made of chemicals. Pure water is a god damn chemical. Grow a brain.[/QUOTE] Woah, back up there, Ganerumo! That there brain is made of chemicals, and relies on chemical transmitters to operate! Let's not go crazy here!

[QUOTE=wraithcat;46036285]To be honest, my issue with GMO foods aren't the foods themselves, but the usage of practices like terminator genes, massive copyrighting and a bunch of other stuff which is used by companies that push GMO. Therein lies the biggest issue.[/QUOTE] Terminator genes prevent massive ecosystemic damage

[QUOTE=Swineflu;46035952]This thread made me understand that we're making an entire planet of mutants just for our own pleasure, pretty badass[/QUOTE] We are/have been for centuries. Broccoli as you know it did not exist 500 or 600 years ago IIRC. It's a flowery bush like plant in nature and we bred them to the point where we have dense highly nutritious flower pods that we eat before they ripen. Basically, every food that can be grown, and has been grown since the dawn of the agricultural revolution thousands of years ago has been genetically changed for our specific benefit via our breeding patterns. And really, we had to do that to support ourselves.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46053066]We are/have been for centuries. Broccoli as you know it did not exist 500 or 600 years ago IIRC. It's a flowery bush like plant in nature and we bred them to the point where we have dense highly nutritious flower pods that we eat before they ripen. Basically, every food that can be grown, and has been grown since the dawn of the agricultural revolution thousands of years ago has been genetically changed for our specific benefit via our breeding patterns. And really, we had to do that to support ourselves.[/QUOTE] yeah, but we cannot just pretend that breeding selection is one in the same with gene splicing cross species?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;46053114]yeah, but we cannot just pretend that breeding selection is one in the same with gene splicing cross species?[/QUOTE] No but it just goes to show the term "GMO" doesn't mean anything.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;46053114]yeah, but we cannot just pretend that breeding selection is one in the same with gene splicing cross species?[/QUOTE] No, but it's some next level shit, that I know for sure.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46053151]No but it just goes to show the term "GMO" doesn't mean anything.[/QUOTE] It does mean something. Just because my parents had me does not make me genetically modified. Nor are the children born under Nazi Rule considered modified. They are just bred, linearly. GMO is different in that it has horizontal gene transfer. In other words; An extremely unlikely or otherwise non-present gene function is added by direct manipulation, instead of choosing parents with favorable characteristics.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;46053165]It does mean something. Just because my parents had me does not make me genetically modified. Nor are the children born under Nazi Rule considered modified. They are just bred, linearly. GMO is different in that it has horizontal gene transfer. In other words; An extremely unlikely or otherwise non-present gene function is added by direct manipulation, instead of choosing parents with favorable characteristics.[/QUOTE] Cool but I'm not talking about people.

Apperently [url=www.doctoroz.com/episode/new-gmo-pesticide-doctors-are-warning-against]Doctor Oz didn't get the memo.[/url]

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;46053843]Apperently [url=www.doctoroz.com/episode/new-gmo-pesticide-doctors-are-warning-against]Doctor Oz didn't get the memo.[/url][/QUOTE] Oz is very anecdotal, but it does raise the issue of Super corn, super weeds, super pesticides, superduper corn super duper weeds, super duper pesticides, Super duper ultra corn, super duper ultra we..... etc. All that while, more and more and more pesticides.