[QUOTE=NixNax123;41087118]yes the topic of abortion is extremely simple[/QUOTE]
it is very simple, all things considered
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;41087558][B][I]You should check tu quoque bro.[/I][/B]I've known ultra religious families to have 12 kids -half of them adopted- and others who have even adopted kids with down syndrome, so coming with that Carlin bullshit-bullshit is awful.[/QUOTE]
I have always thought Carlin was a very over rated comedian
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41087376]I'm advocating mercy. I don't want a kid sitting in a goddamn group home for 18 years of their lives. This has nothing to do with Christians or anything like that. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of these people who advocate adoption but do not actually support it in any shape or form.
Also yes, I have no problem admitting to quoting a comedian because there is truth to that statement and that's why people in the audience were laughing. That's what makes it funny.[/QUOTE]
That's not mercy. That's forcefully deciding upon another human life. If you want mercy, instead of deciding to terminate human lives, you could actually help improve and take pro-adoption policies.
With that concept, lets just kill all the poor people in the world right know because we don't know if they are going to get out of poverty and because we know they are living a shitty life. Better have mercy and spare them from the suffering, right? We know better than them.
That's not mercy. It's a fucking newborn child - it experiences pain, terror, and all.
And, if you decide to pull the shitty "but it'll be under painless drugs" excuse, think about it this way: what if you did the same to a 10 or 15 yr old? They are still legally a parents/guardians responsibility, should they still be able to be killed in your massively crazy logic?
please don't stop posting, alex, it's fun watching you publicly advocate baby killing
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41087274]What's even more awful is these Christian Conservatives that say "put it up for adoption" in the debate against abortion.
In the words of George Carlin "you don't see them adopting a whole lot of African crack babies, do you?" I sure as hell don't.[/QUOTE]
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i'm gonna repeat what i said in the earlier thread for informational purposes:
guys, this is about LATE term abortion, like 22 weeks. normally i'm pro-choice but late second trimester stuff is extremely gruesome and very hazy legally. at that point of gestation the organs are mostly developed and the baby is gaining its sense of touch and even hair. at this point the baby can actually FEEL pain for real, it can't at earlier stages so thats kind of okay but jesus guys.
here's an illustration:
[img]http://content.everydayhealth.com/wte3.0/gcms/yourbaby_week22.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=omggrass;41087926]i'm gonna repeat what i said in the earlier thread for informational purposes:
guys, this is about LATE term abortion, like 22 weeks. normally i'm pro-choice but late second trimester stuff is extremely gruesome and very hazy legally. at that point of gestation the organs are mostly developed and the baby is gaining its sense of touch and even hair. at this point the baby can actually FEEL pain for real, it can't at earlier stages so thats kind of okay but jesus guys.
here's an illustration:
[img]http://content.everydayhealth.com/wte3.0/gcms/yourbaby_week22.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
we've already established this!
[QUOTE=Zambies!;41087102]Isn't >20 weeks a good cut off point? Or am I blinded.[/QUOTE]
do people control their own bodies or don't they? this just means that now the house has declared sovereignty over every woman's body in the united states.
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[QUOTE=omggrass;41087926]i'm gonna repeat what i said in the earlier thread for informational purposes:
guys, this is about LATE term abortion, like 22 weeks. normally i'm pro-choice but late second trimester stuff is extremely gruesome and very hazy legally. at that point of gestation the organs are mostly developed and the baby is gaining its sense of touch and even hair. at this point the baby can actually FEEL pain for real, it can't at earlier stages so thats kind of okay but jesus guys.
here's an illustration:
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the vast majority of abortions done later than the first trimester are done for medical reasons though i.e. the mother's life is threatened by a potential birth. it's fucking nasty, but it usually has to be done
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41087376]I'm advocating mercy. I don't want a kid sitting in a goddamn group home for 18 years of their lives. This has nothing to do with Christians or anything like that. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of these people who advocate adoption but do not actually support it in any shape or form.
Also yes, I have no problem admitting to quoting a comedian because there is truth to that statement and that's why people in the audience were laughing. That's what makes it funny.[/QUOTE]
wow your avatar sure fits you you psycho cunt
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[QUOTE=Atlascore;41088124]They are distractions, instead of focusing on problems like our rapidly failing infrastructure or education system, our awful prison systems, or the hundreds of other problems with the US, we're focusing on shit that should have been legal decades ago.
Literally the only reason these things are an issue is because of backward idiots that can't get with the times, thankfully the demographic responsible for this is fading away as more and more people get educated.[/QUOTE]
they are issues to make the democrats and republicans appear distinct even though both are 90% the same. makes you want to choose a side, pick a "lesser of two evils", so to speak.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;41087112]You know,
i think the whole abortion, gay rights, etc issues we are having today are just fucking distractions from the bigger problems in our government (Corruption,corporations, bullshit)
No one can focus on the big stuff if the stupidly simple stuff is in the way[/QUOTE]
I am going to sound like a massive conspiracy theorist, but here it goes.
It is my personal belief that we have things like this and other social disputes to try and actively distract us from the bigger issues. The longer the people spend looking at things like abortion, the less time is spent on issues like corruption. This shit about "political parties" and "political ideologies" is all bullshit. The only reason we have a party system is so people can direct their animosity at the other party when something goes wrong, as opposed to the government.
Basically, the whole thing is a farce, in my opinion. Politicians are actually supporting each other by disagreeing because it ensures several things:
1.) Low political apathy from the population
2.) Less anger directed at the central government and its flaws and more towards other parties
3.) More publicity for government officials
4.) The population, rich or poor, chooses sides
All of those things sound like something a politician [I]doesn't[/I] want, right? Well, low apathy means the population feels like they participate in the politics and therefore have some kind of political power. In reality, this power is reserved for the rich, much like an aristocracy, but the voting system and other elements in our government [I]including[/I] protests make the people feel like they are achieving something and therefore do not assume they are being cheated or out of control.
This one is obvious. We bicker about social issues and direct that anger towards the other party. For example, when the House, Senate, and Presidency agree to send arms to Syrian rebels, the Republicans will blame Obama, the democratic president. This in turn causes Democrats to direct anger at the Republicans for targeting Obama. In reality, the whole government is responsible for these actions, not just one party. However, we fail to realize this simply because we are too busy fighting the other party rather than acknowledging the government as a whole as a broken and corrupt system.
Publicity is always a bad thing for government officials, right? Well, it is in some cases, but even bad publicity can yield some surprising results for how much profit can be made. When you get your 15 minutes of fame in the political seat, suddenly you are known, and your name becomes a household one for better or worse. Being publicized can lead to many things, like corporations offering a greater share for re-election campaigns.
And, of course, we always choose sides. Inevitably the Democratic and Republican parties often paint a very broad brush on social issues. Rarely is there ever a middle ground in the government. If the Republicans want one thing, the Democrats want the complete opposite and vice versa. This system is like a net that catches as many people as possible, to eschew us away from focusing on such issues in any actual detail or attempting compromise. Both sides are radically set on what policies they want, and neither is willing to change all that much, unless the change benefits all the politicians (although whether it is beneficial to the people or not is moot. If it is then good for us, if not, oh well.) This is also important because it will draw some of the rich people in, who will continue to abuse things like Super Pacs to try and give their party a headway and feel as though they are changing things.
The whole system just reeks to me of people who are scratching each others backs. Like, think for example back to Edward Snowden. Politicians on both sides seemed to agree he was a traitor because the information leak was detrimental to both sides. Both parties supported the NSA's monitoring because it proved useful to all politicians. It also explains the relative political stagnation as of late. Think about it, what [I]major[/I] changes have honestly occurred within the government lately, at least in comparison to times long ago? The system is already working fine for the people in power already, so why change anything? If they continue to disagree on policies nothing will change and they get to continue lining their pockets while we are stuck with status quo.
Obviously, there are many exceptions to this. Now, I know you all think I am crazy at this point but this is just a theory; I am not dead set on it or anything. I doubt this theory, in its entirety, is true, but at the same time I am sure some of it is. I get it is a very extreme view of the political corruption as of late, and I will reserve a true and honest opinion until more facts are presented. I am just throwing it out there as a thought.
Wait so it this a complete ban or still allowing for medical reasons?
[QUOTE=Rhenae;41088493]Wait so it this a complete ban or still allowing for medical reasons?[/QUOTE]
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this was the same bill that the republicans just added a rape/incest exception onto. Also keep in mind: it's not all abortions, just all after 20 weeks.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;41088124]They are distractions, instead of focusing on problems like our rapidly failing infrastructure or education system, our awful prison systems, or the hundreds of other problems with the US, we're focusing on shit that should have been legal decades ago.[/QUOTE]
But that's the entire reason people are focusing on them, because they should already be taken care of. If we keep putting it off in favour of other issues nothing will ever be solved.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41088601]But that's the entire reason people are focusing on them, because they should already be taken care of. If we keep putting it off in favour of other issues nothing will ever be solved.[/QUOTE]
while some attention should be paid to things like gay marriage and abortion rights, there should be a broader goal in mind. if we fight homophobia, gay marriage is no longer an issue. if we fight patriarchy, abortion is no longer an issue. if we fight inequality, we might see an end to most of these sorts of issues
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41087120]Some people are unfit to be parents[/QUOTE]
who the fuck can hold the right to say shit like this?
certainly not some dumb kid on a forum
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;41087112]You know,
i think the whole abortion, gay rights, etc issues we are having today are just fucking distractions from the bigger problems in our government (Corruption,corporations, bullshit)
No one can focus on the big stuff if the stupidly simple stuff is in the way[/QUOTE]
I was saying this same shit during election times and everyone thought I was stupid
Look I'm all for gay rights and stuff but there are much more important things to focus on right now, especially when social change isn't something that happens just because someone got into office that supports it, it happens when culture slowly changes to where a society as a whole eventually gets to the point that it no longer makes sense to ban or allow "X" (this is why talking about it outside of politics is ideal, as well as spreading awareness).
Legalization of marijuana is a good example of this. More and more people are slowly coming to terms to not ban it, so its slowly getting more and more support to the point where it makes sense for states one-by-one to allow at least possession. When it comes to controversial topics, you will [B]never[/B] be able to make a law simply override it because the law will get vetoed, sued against, etc before it can stay up long enough. The only way it won't is if the culture as a whole generally accepts a viewpoint.
[QUOTE=KorJax;41088911]I was saying this same shit during election times and everyone thought I was stupid
Look I'm all for gay rights and stuff but there are much more important things to focus on right now, especially when social change isn't something that happens just because someone got into office that supports it, it happens when culture slowly changes to where a society as a whole eventually gets to the point that it no longer makes sense to ban or allow "X" (this is why talking about it outside of politics is ideal, as well as spreading awareness).
Legalization of marijuana is a good example of this. More and more people are slowly coming to terms to not ban it, so its slowly getting more and more support to the point where it makes sense for states one-by-one to allow at least possession. When it comes to controversial topics, you will [B]never[/B] be able to make a law simply override it because the law will get vetoed, sued against, etc before it can stay up long enough. The only way it won't is if the culture as a whole generally accepts a viewpoint.[/QUOTE]
TL;DR: gay marriage is distracting us against MY RIGHT TO SMOKE WEED.
In other news, House Republicans continue to waste time and do absolutely nothing useful.
never change, alex
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41087120]I think you should be able to have an abortion even after the child was born. Some people are unfit to be parents and the whole "just give it up for adoption" argument is bullshit because unless your child is a good looking and/or intelligent child, they will be sitting in a group home until the age of 18 and they'll be kicked out and forced into a world where no one gave a fuck about them.[/QUOTE]
Yes, let's murder defenseless babies! Good fucking idea you retarded dumbass.
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[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41087220]Guess I'm okay with murdering newborns then. At the parental figure's discretion.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, I don't even know what political ideology would sanction murdering newborns, and I don't want to know.
this is a really stupid bill that only seeks to empower so called "pro-life" people and open the way for more attacks on womens reproductive freedom
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41087376]I'm advocating mercy. I don't want a kid sitting in a goddamn group home for 18 years of their lives. This has nothing to do with Christians or anything like that. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of these people who advocate adoption but do not actually support it in any shape or form.
Also yes, I have no problem admitting to quoting a comedian because there is truth to that statement and that's why people in the audience were laughing. That's what makes it funny.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should be aborted
[QUOTE=Zeke129;41087444]1. George Carlin said controversial things for the sake of being controversial because he thought it was funny, he wasn't a wise philosopher by any stretch and if you base your worldview on a comedian you're probably dumb
2. What the fuck is an "African crack baby" and how the hell are people in most of Africa able to afford crack[/QUOTE]
watched a documentary about african warlords last night and crack was rampant even in the poorest slums, cheap as hell there.
1. The House passes horrible law that makes no sense that would only make people worse off, but can't actually make it law because of the Senate and the President? No fucking way! Let's write an article for each of the umpteen times the House has tried to strike down the Healthcare Bill or fuck over women, the poor, and racial minorities, and failed.
2. People who say that Social issues are distraction for "more important" or "real" issues are at best people who have never been victims of something stemming from Social issues, or, at worst, absolute idiots with no sympathy for the people who are constantly discriminated against in our society.
3. If someone states that Social issues are distractions to "real" issues because they think the solutions to Social issues are blindingly obvious, and that there is no solution because of a conspiracy to continue with some other corruption or "deeper" issue, that person is ignorant to the still massive amount of bigotry that still divides this nation, and the work that still needs to be done for real equality between races, genders/sexes, and classes.
4. Social issues are actually Economic/"Real" issues. Try telling a woman who can't afford birth control that Women's issues should be secondary to anything else, even to the corruption that we see in decisions like Citizens United.
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