Hilary Clinton: "Don't let anyone tell you businesses create jobs."
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Yes it's very possible that they may be able to do many things in the future, but you can't just tell people to stop engineering and stop building better machines.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;46338543]Yes it's very possible that they may be able to do many things in the future, but you can't just tell people to stop engineering and stop building better machines.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you can't say "machines can't design other machines" because they can. They have machines that can do anything. Wait a few years and there will be machines that can do a lot more better than people.
Someone posted this in another thread at some point. I thought it was pretty interesting since the thread changed to robots taking jobs.
Guess it was this thread. :P
Ok, so robots are replacing humans in certain fields.
What the hell are we supposed to do about it? You can't stop people from making these.
And if robots really do end up taking everyone's jobs in some kind of terminator-esque future then there will be no salaries left to buy the goods and services the robots put out - it goes full circle.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;46338636]Ok, so robots are replacing humans in certain fields.
What the hell are we supposed to do about it? You can't stop people from making these.
And if robots really do end up taking everyone's jobs in some kind of terminator-esque future then there will be no salaries left to buy the goods and services the robots put out - it goes full circle.[/QUOTE]
We could just all forget about 'jobs' and let robots do everything. I don't like money anyways, it's dumb.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46337386]It's a really interesting moral question to think about. Most people's jobs are the result of inefficiency. Do we value efficiency, profit, and cheap consumer goods more than we value good paying jobs? Are we willing to enforce inefficiency in the interest of keeping people employed?[/QUOTE]
It's such a far off future that it's really impossible to know what would happen between now and then, but presuming it does happen, why do either? If we actually lived in a world where robots completely replaced and outperformed human labor, why even bother with jobs and money anymore? Society would no longer need them to function. Everyone would theoretically be free to spend their lives in pursuit of other things.
[QUOTE=Xain777;46332582]Think about this, if they needed the same amount of people as without automation, then why would anyone automate?[/QUOTE]
There's also something to be said about increasing efficiency. I would much rather make 1000 cars with 10 people and some automation than 10 cars with 10 people alone, in the same amount of time. Without any automation/technology companies would simply be stuck on a much smaller scale. It's hard to judge the overall employment impact because the automation vastly increases the overall scale of the business and therefore the base of employment in other parts of the company.
In the end, automation makes low skill jobs relatively more expensive for the employer.
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To continue with the car example: I might fire 100 people on the car manufacturing line in order for robotic arms to take their place. The increase in efficiency from this might lead to me hiring 20 more administrators/advertisers/etc. The lower cost in cars might also lead to an increased demand for mechanics, car washers, etc. Saved money from buying that cheaper car might lead to the buying of more serves/luxuries.
The market is very complex. It's silly to look at a single industry in a bubble and analyse jobs lost/gained.
I think the whole "replacing humans with automation" is alright because in the next few decades kids in middle/junior school will probably be more tech savvy then the average adult is today. Depends on how much our education system improves.
Maybe 2016 will be the year we'll finally have a third party/independent president since George Washington. Unless Hillary pulls the 'first female president' and republicans go with a minority candidate.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;46340812]It's such a far off future that it's really impossible to know what would happen between now and then, but presuming it does happen, why do either? If we actually lived in a world where robots completely replaced and outperformed human labor, why even bother with jobs and money anymore? Society would no longer need them to function. Everyone would theoretically be free to spend their lives in pursuit of other things.[/QUOTE]
Short of a Star Trek-style molecular synthesizer, there will always be a scarcity of something. Scarcity means determining who gets something and who doesn't, and that means money.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;46338636]Ok, so robots are replacing humans in certain fields.
What the hell are we supposed to do about it? You can't stop people from making these.
And if robots really do end up taking everyone's jobs in some kind of terminator-esque future then there will be no salaries left to buy the goods and services the robots put out - it goes full circle.[/QUOTE]
If robots do everything, people will just start owning robots and get paid for the work that the robots do.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;46343257]this is sofucking optimistic
more realistically a business buys 300 robots, fires everyone[/QUOTE]
But eventually the business bosses would get fired automatically by the robots they hired
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my point is if we are to take that video seriously then the possibility is very real that the entire economy would be run by robots at some point in the distant future
At that point the economy wouldn't exist anymore because there would be nobody willing to buy the products the robots create because money just isn't circulating anymore
If robots end up doing everything for mankind, mankind will become weaker and dumber. Just like the muscles of our bodies do.
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