Doughnut Drake removed from uncharted 4, someone might get offended!
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[QUOTE=Levithan;50077134]oh no the developers are adults and decided to act like it how dare they
though including a Big Head cheat wouldn't hurt[/QUOTE]
Hey go to hell, my head's bigger than normal you jerk!
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50077299]a morbidly obese person doing the things that Nathan Drake does is absurd and by extension, funny
That's just the fact of the matter. There's no way to make it respectable because it is inherently ridiculous. You can't make a morbidly obese person jumping out of planes and leaping across rooftops not funny.[/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but in real life, while there is a general correlation between high body fat and a lack of exercise, the idea of an agile and flexible person of an obese body type isn't entirely outlandish. Look at sumo wrestlers or football linebackers, or hell, martial arts actors like Sammo Hung.
I do agree that it was totally done for the sake of humor, but I wouldn't call it inherently ridiculous either.
[QUOTE=RevolverOcelot;50077497]I don't necessarily disagree with you, but in real life, while there is a general correlation between high body fat and a lack of exercise, the idea of an agile and flexible person of an obese body type isn't entirely outlandish. Look at sumo wrestlers or football linebackers, or hell, martial arts actors like Sammo Hung.
I do agree that it was totally done for the sake of humor, but I wouldn't call it inherently ridiculous either.[/QUOTE]
A sumo wrestler is not going to be able to jump across rooftops and scale sheer cliffs with their bare hands. That just isn't going to happen.
Even if it could, it would still be funny just because it's so unexpected.
I love how this series has been "snarky white heroes mow down indigenous brown people with reckless abandon including using their own environment to kill them" but the line is drawn at a Nathan that likes food too much.
Cognitive fucking dissonance incarnate.
Nathan Drake is a disgraceful joke to people with carpal tunnel pls remove
You know, reading their case, it doesn't seem like "we don't want to offend anyone," and more "fat jokes aren't that funny to us anymore." (probably a bit of "we have a lot of prerendered animations and didn't want any clipping to show up). Much like anything else, humor changes over the years and varies from person to person, so I can't say I can fault them too much for it. Kinda sad, though- if every other uncharted game has it as an easter egg, it's weird to have them take it out NOW- maybe they'll change their mind after the vocal minority pips up.
[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;50077797]You know, reading their case, it doesn't seem like "we don't want to offend anyone," and more "fat jokes aren't that funny to us anymore." (probably a bit of "we have a lot of prerendered animations and didn't want any clipping to show up). Much like anything else, humor changes over the years and varies from person to person, so I can't say I can fault them too much for it. Kinda sad, though- if every other uncharted game has it as an easter egg, it's weird to have them take it out NOW- maybe they'll change their mind after the vocal minority pips up.[/QUOTE]
Thats what I figured as well. I dont hold any bad blood against him for saying "I dont think putting in a joke that comes at the expense of others is something I want to do anymore".
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;50077841]what if instead they added a drake drake mode, where you play as the rapper drake through the game
with rerecorded lines and everything[/QUOTE]
I would pay so much money for this
Man at this rate Left 4 Dead 3 won't even have Boomers anymore :vomit:
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50077229]Yeah and there's also a very worrying trend of people rolling over and accepting it because it's "fine without it".[/QUOTE]
I mean, I thought doughnut drake was hilarious but from the point of view of an Uncharted fan the game will survive without it. It's not like they messed with the gameplay or significantly changed a character, they just got rid of a joke skin.
The game is definitely fine without it, even if the reasons for removing it are bizarre.
the crowd that complains about removed content is worse than the potential people who may or may not have complained
seriously, that's being the most triggered of all to throw a tantrum because some developers personally decided something wasn't funny
[editline]5th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50077229]Yeah and there's also a very worrying trend of people rolling over and accepting it because it's "fine without it".[/QUOTE]
yes clearly people not minding a change in a game are just rolling over to oppression
give me a fucking break and don't victimize yourself just because a game developer had a feeling
Cause yeah complaining about the complainers is some saint level approach.
[QUOTE=bitches;50078011]yes clearly people not minding a change in a game are just rolling over to oppression
give me a fucking break and don't victimize yourself just because a game developer had a feeling[/QUOTE]
It's the kind of dumb logic that allows shit like this to happen on a greater and greater scale until developers censor themselves for fear of negative feedback on a regular basis, which is already something that's starting to happen far too often.
This shit happened with other media before and it wasn't okay then. It's still not okay now.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50078118]It's the kind of dumb logic that allows shit like this to happen on a greater and greater scale until developers censor themselves for fear of negative feedback on a regular basis, which is already something that's starting to happen far too often.
This shit happened with other media before and it wasn't okay then. It's still not okay now.[/QUOTE]
Bruh, they removed the skin because the joke just wasn't funny anymore, it's not like a person complained about it on their forums.
[QUOTE=Levithan;50077134]oh no the developers are adults and decided to act like it how dare they
though including a Big Head cheat wouldn't hurt[/QUOTE]
I guess you hate the Marco Polo jokes with the pool then.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50078149]Bruh, they removed the skin because the joke just wasn't funny anymore, it's not like a person complained about it on their forums.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they censored themselves by willingly taking past content out of a re-release.
They can say it's because they matured or because they weren't comfortable with it anymore or anything else. As a company with PR to take care of, a move like that is [I]obviously[/I] to try and appeal to people. Uncharted as a whole is an immature series with immature humor, all of their games have immature humor.
As a fat person I feel incredibly marginalized that I cannot play as one of my people now.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50078167]Yeah, they censored themselves by willingly taking past content out of a re-release.
They can say it's because they matured or because they weren't comfortable with it anymore or anything else. As a company with PR to take care of, a move like that is [I]obviously[/I] to try and appeal to people. Uncharted as a whole is an immature series with immature humor.[/QUOTE]
why is it being "censored"? its not censorship, they dont like doughnut drake anymore. maybe they have some other new wacky skin to replace it.
removing something isnt always censorship.
[QUOTE=KillRay;50078177]why is it being censored goddamn. its not censorship, they dont like doughnut drake anymore. maybe they have some other new wacky skin to replace it.[/QUOTE]
"To "censor" is to review something and to choose to remove or hide parts of it that are considered unacceptable. Censorship is the name for the process or idea of keeping things like obscene word or graphic images from an audience. There is also such a thing as self-censorship, which is when you refrain from saying certain things — or possibly re-wording them — depending on who is listening."
[url]https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/censorship[/url]
If you take an already existing artistic creation, and decide to remove it because you think it's unacceptable, then it's censorship. The way they justified the removal makes it censorship.
This is dumb. Naughty Dog, you're dumb.
When did devs become so afraid of offending people. The only people that would be offended by this don't even play video games in the first place.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;50078251]This is dumb. Naughty Dog, you're dumb.
When did devs become so afraid of offending people. The only people that would be offended by this don't even play video games in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they're afraid of offending people, they just dont find the joke funny anymore and/or dont find it in good taste.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50078118]It's the kind of dumb logic that allows shit like this to happen on a greater and greater scale until developers censor themselves for fear of negative feedback on a regular basis, which is already something that's starting to happen far too often.
This shit happened with other media before and it wasn't okay then. It's still not okay now.[/QUOTE]
You can't really apply slippery slope logic here though because the original point, that they are not having a joke skin in, doesn't actually impact the gameplay or the overall atmosphere of the game or series. Saying that this is just the tip of the iceberg or whatever is a non-argument because you are already presupposing a scenario that hasn't even occurred yet. Maybe it's not "dumb logic" to wait and see before claiming the sky is falling. Maybe it's just logical logic.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50078167]Yeah, they censored themselves by willingly taking past content out of a re-release.
They can say it's because they matured or because they weren't comfortable with it anymore or anything else. As a company with PR to take care of, a move like that is [I]obviously[/I] to try and appeal to people. Uncharted as a whole is an immature series with immature humor, all of their games have immature humor.[/QUOTE]
I feel like you are swinging the pendulum in the opposite direction though and kinda acting rather entitled when developers make their own decisions about their content and you demand that it must be put back in or else denounce them as bending to the SJW feminist body privilege fat shaming tumblr horde. I mean at this point you don't even need evidence, just straight up saying a developer isn't allowed to remove or edit stuff from their game without being called censorship. This is intruding on the artists creative vision just as much as the the people you are crusading against.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50078182]"To "censor" is to review something and to choose to remove or hide parts of it that are considered unacceptable. Censorship is the name for the process or idea of keeping things like obscene word or graphic images from an audience. There is also such a thing as self-censorship, which is when you refrain from saying certain things — or possibly re-wording them — depending on who is listening."
[url]https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/censorship[/url]
If you take an already existing artistic creation, and decide to remove it because you think it's unacceptable, then it's censorship. The way they justified the removal makes it censorship.[/QUOTE]
If a comedian stops telling a joke because it isn't funny to them anymore, is it censorship? It's not like there was any outside pressure to remove the skin.
ND feels like they've matured, and don't find mocking humor as funny. It's not to protect anyone from how I read it. It's like growing out of jokes you told as a kid.
ND didn't want something in their game, so they didn't put it in their game. It's not censorship it's a design choice
[QUOTE=Liem;50078694]ND didn't want something in their game, so they didn't put it in their game. It's not censorship it's a design choice[/QUOTE]
Some people seem to think that that if a dev removes a feature or content from a game, and someone else wanted that feature or content, it's considered censoring.
They better add black and asian alternative skins for EVERY character appearing in the game and of course multiple fat stages of characters. I demand some seriousness.
I haven't played the games but if I recall correctly Doughnut Drake had the same abilities and skills as the regular one right?
In that case it would depict a fat person that is able to do the same as a thin one. In any case it could be use as an example for the HAES believers and such.
he is skinny and i am very offended of it. can they remove it?
[QUOTE=Axsisel;50079097]I haven't played the games but if I recall correctly Doughnut Drake had the same abilities and skills as the regular one right?
In that case it would depict a fat person that is able to do the same as a thin one. In any case it could be use as an example for the HAES believers and such.[/QUOTE]
Yup, it was also really difficult to get him. So really you'd never see it unless you were really dedicated and spent a lot of time on the game.
Demanding a developer keep something in a game is just as bad as demanding they remove it
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