In wake of the government shutdown fiasco, Congressional Republicans are finding unity
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[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;42584866]This is [B]EXACTLY[/B] the type of thought you are accusing your grandfather and the posters of.
I hope you are aware of the blistering irony.[/QUOTE]
I never said I was immune to the effects of it.
[QUOTE=Cone;42584193]Republicans actually ARE the problem though. "liberals" aren't the ones who held the world economy hostage for a week, and even if they somehow were (they weren't) the democrats sure as fuck aren't part of some universal world cabal of them. the Republican party is an actual THING - just anyone your insane granddad ascribes the vague, probably incorrect term "liberal" to is not and never has been capable of running the United States and the world economy into the ground.
please don't act like someone who wants a political party that isn't evil or incompetent is somehow wrong for criticizing the ones that are. vote for a third party next time if you want, but staying impartial between Democrats and Republicans is just a waste of time and brainpower.[/QUOTE]
the democratic party is the lesser of two stupids, but they're still stupid.
they're just as responsible for the NCLB and the PATRIOT Act. the NDAA wouldn't have passed had it not been for democratic support.
at best, they're pushovers. the only time that they haven't given in to the screaming demands of the rabid badger that is the GOP is when the nation was literally on the brink of another recession.
i really wish they didn't let the ACA get castrated by the GOP.
[QUOTE=joes33431;42585045]the NDAA wouldn't have passed had it not been for democratic support.[/QUOTE]The NDAA would have passed no matter what because its the entire Defense budget. People never seem to understand this. The NDAA is the funding for the entire DoD.
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i really wish they didn't let the ACA get castrated by the GOP.[/QUOTE]
I keep seeing a version of this statement- and it still makes no sense.
So tell me how exactly did republicans (none of whom were involved in the writing of aca/ and none voted for it either) "ruin" obamacare.
I think your just going to have to face the facts on this one. Democrats let the insurance lobbyists write the bill in their own pocketbooks interest. They threw the consumer a few bones but the end result is a fix worse then the original condition.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42585404]The NDAA would have passed no matter what because its the entire Defense budget. People never seem to understand this. The NDAA is the funding for the entire DoD.[/QUOTE]
they could have at least, you know, done something about the whole 'indefinite detentions' thing.
[QUOTE=joes33431;42585522]they could have at least, you know, done something about the whole 'indefinite detentions' thing.[/QUOTE]There were oppositions to it but in the end they basically had no choice but to just run with it.
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;42585458]I keep seeing a version of this statement- and it still makes no sense.
So tell me how exactly did republicans (none of whom were involved in the writing of aca/ and none voted for it either) "ruin" obamacare.
I think your just going to have to face the facts on this one. Democrats let the insurance lobbyists write the bill in their own pocketbooks interest. They threw the consumer a few bones but the end result is a fix worse then the original condition.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised someone with the name "H8Entitlement" thinks more people having access to health insurance is worse than less people having access to health insurance.
oh no wait no I'm not.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;42585535]I'm surprised someone with the name "H8Entitlement" thinks more people having access to health insurance is worse than less people having access to health insurance.
oh no wait no I'm not.[/QUOTE]
I'm surprised you read my post but somehow saw entirely different words and meaning...
Care to link where I (ever) said more ppl having access to insurance is worse then less ppl having access?
Want me to save you some time? You can link nothing of the sort as I said nothing along those lines.
What I said was "the end result is the fix is worse then the original condition".
Your party sold you out for kickbacks from insurance lobbyists. You can't possibly be so blind as to think this is a good thing.
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;42585605]I'm surprised you read my post but somehow saw entirely different words and meaning...
Care to link where I (ever) said more ppl having access to insurance is worse then less ppl having access?
Want me to save you some time? You can link nothing of the sort as I said nothing along those lines.
What I said was "the end result is the fix is worse then the original condition".
Your party sold you out for kickbacks from insurance lobbyists. You can't possibly be so blind as to think this is a good thing.[/QUOTE]
"Your party" lmao.
[editline]20th October 2013[/editline]
When you make the generalization "the end result is the fix is worse than the original condition", your statement includes the fact that millions of people who didn't have insurance before now do because of medicaid expansion and more will have it in the future when the business mandate goes into action. This is a big part of "the fix" that you are saying is worse than the "original condition" wherein the people affected by these statutes weren't covered.
They now have insurance? A bit premature isn't it? Coverage doesn't actually start till January- and hard data on enrollment is almost impossible to come by.
What I do know- insurance rates are skyrocketing as predicted. My own is expected to increase 80-200%..
I do not qualify for a subsidy, not because of income, but because the insurance is through my workplace.
As for the Medicare expansion- does anyone who has ever used Medicare think its good....
No, well then let's dump millions more ppl into the program, that should fix it.
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As for the Medicare expansion- does anyone who has ever used Medicare think its good....
No, well then let's dump millions more ppl into the program, that should fix it.[/QUOTE]
better than literally nothing
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