[QUOTE=legolover122;42329604]Damn, it's like i'm back in middle school. 10/10 debate skills.[/QUOTE]
okay bro, for what you're saying here, what have you contributed to this discussion besides the repeated "these are trackpads, all trackpads are equal and nothing can be done to improve them. PERIOD." so what backing do you have for this? That's why I think you should be a bit of an expert to make that call.
You're trolling or just being a raging ass, but either way, you're not really making any headway repeatedly stating one technology is the same as all others.
I actually wonder what kind of API the controller will have for the touch screen... could do a lot of cool stuff with it. Emulate G15 apps even?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;42329620]Wow really.
Jesus christ you're ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Except that's what's happening though. It's different because valve made it.
[QUOTE=Kiamberm;42329597]
They aren't just laptop trackpads.
Stop jumping to conclusions. [B]Valve wouldn't spend all this money and time to just put out some shitty dual laptop-trackpad monstrosity of a controller[/B]. Have some damn faith.[/QUOTE]
Uh... why not?
Seriously? Why wouldn't they?
Bigger companies have made bigger flops. It wouldn't surprise me if this controller sucks dicks. Valve's not perfect, and to believe otherwise is fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;42329564]I've never seen this many people sucking valve's dick before. Seriously, this is unprecedented. I didn't know you could fit this many mouths around one dick.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe people are a bit distressed that people immediately dismiss an attempt at innovation because "lol track pads sucks."
Innovation requires risks, I believe it's worth a fair chance, track pads or not.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329629]Except that's what's happening though. It's different because valve made it.[/QUOTE]
You're really dense.
Like, black hole dense.
Light cannot escape your gravitational pull man, tone it down.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329616]And for the zillionth time i'm saying I did and didn't see shit other than REVOLUTIONARY VALVE TRACKPADS.
And your failure to point out the specifics of it short of quoting multiple paragraphs reinforces that.[/QUOTE]
what makes a tesla car better than a nissan leaf?
what makes a oled screen better than a LCD?
what makes a V12 more powerful than a V6?
[QUOTE=St. Burke;42325907]Woah those pads would allow for some real precise control
ingenious actually[/QUOTE]
I had this idea for a controller once but I quickly wrote it down as stupid in my head because we all know how fickle trackpads can be when your fingers are varying in sweatiness
A solution that I thought of after learning that Valve had announced such a controller was if two capacitive fingertips were to be bundled with the controller which you could strap around your thumb, which would still allow for smooth tracking regardless of sweatiness
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;42329608]Two pieces of hardware that [I]function the same way[/I], but are different because valve made one.
Please.[/QUOTE]
grrr im so mad about a controller i wont even need to use for a console i wont even need to use urghhhh!!!!!1
man i need to discredit this lol every1 who disagrees r valv fanboys :)
but really dude get over yourself.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329616]And for the zillionth time i'm saying I did and didn't see shit other than REVOLUTIONARY VALVE TRACKPADS.
And your failure to point out the specifics of it short of quoting multiple paragraphs reinforces that.[/QUOTE]
You too.
Seriously, noone is saying its revolutionary or amazing or 'wow industry changer thx valve', all they're saying is that it COULD work and COULD be better than normal controllers.
Why this gets you so fired up I don't really understand.
[QUOTE=Kiamberm;42329597][b]"These are not like laptop trackpads," Tabar said. "Everyone is like, 'Oh we're replacing thumbsticks with trackpads, oh shit.' [laughs] But this is not at all like a laptop trackpad. It just feels good. It's a challenge to verbally describe it."[/b]
[url]http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/201195/Select_game_developers_used_the_Steam_Controller_Heres_what_they_said.php[/url]
They aren't just laptop trackpads.
Stop jumping to conclusions. Valve wouldn't spend all this money and time to just put out some shitty dual laptop-trackpad monstrosity of a controller. Have some damn faith.[/QUOTE]
I knew they wouldn't reply to this
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329629]Except that's what's happening though. It's different because valve made it.[/QUOTE]
so who should make this to make it "okay"?
why can't it be valve? I'm confused, is it bad because valve did it? I'm not sure you get the idea that you don't have as much expertise in a subject as someone who works on it for a living.
Those Star Trek magnets better be very good, because I don't see anything short of force fields could replicate the feedback of physical controls.
[QUOTE=Skyward;42329633]Uh... why not?
Seriously? Why wouldn't they?
Bigger companies have made bigger flops. It wouldn't surprise me if this controller sucks dicks. Valve's not perfect, and to believe otherwise is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
Fuck me just read the article they linked to, it's quite clear the message that the developers who've actually touched it are giving out.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42329640]what makes a tesla car better than a nissan leaf?
what makes a oled screen better than a LCD?
what makes a V12 more powerful than a V6?[/QUOTE]
Cars are now trackpads
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329653]Cars are now trackpads[/QUOTE]
Stop
just fucking stop
[QUOTE=Skyward;42329633]Uh... why not?
Seriously? Why wouldn't they?
Bigger companies have made bigger flops. It wouldn't surprise me if this controller sucks dicks. Valve's not perfect, and to believe otherwise is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
no one is saying they're perfect.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I for one don't see how the analog controller is perfect like many people in this thread have been happy to say.
[QUOTE=ntzu;42329643]grrr im so mad about a controller i wont even need to use for a console i wont even need to use urghhhh!!!!!1
man i need to discredit this lol every1 who disagrees r valv fanboys :)[/QUOTE]
Noted.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;42329642]I had this idea for a controller once but I quickly wrote it down as stupid in my head because we all know how fickle trackpads can be when your fingers are varying in sweatiness[/QUOTE]
That's interesting, I've never seen that. I hope they will design the texture of the track pads to accommodate that. I have noted that on older track pads, the surface tended to become very hot from friction, that could also be an issue.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329653]Cars are now trackpads[/QUOTE]
Thats EXACTLY what you're saying, though.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329653]Cars are now trackpads[/QUOTE]
are trackpads a technology that literally reached it's peak years ago or something?
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;42329655]Stop
just fucking stop[/QUOTE]
Why not stop comparing completely irrelevant things first?
[editline]27th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;42329667]Thats EXACTLY what you're saying, though.[/QUOTE]
I want whatever you're smoking dude
[QUOTE=danharibo;42329652]Fuck me just read the article they linked to, it's quite clear the message that the developers who've actually touched it are giving out.[/QUOTE]
I did read it.
You do realize you just said "ITS GOING TO BE FINE BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WOULD BE FINE."
As if they'd say "yeah our controller may suck, y'know, fair warning".
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329670]Why not stop comparing completely irrelevant things first?
[editline]27th September 2013[/editline]
I want whatever you're smoking dude[/QUOTE]
dude, you're actively saying repeatedly that trackpads as a whole have peaked, they are as good as they can get, and that they are actually terrible, with no ability to ever improve.
do you have evidence of this
[QUOTE=Skyward;42329675]I did read it.
You do realize you just said "ITS GOING TO BE FINE BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WOULD BE FINE."
As if they'd say "yeah our controller may suck, y'know, fair warning.[/QUOTE]
They weren't quoting Valve..
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329670]Why not stop comparing completely irrelevant things first?
[editline]27th September 2013[/editline]
I want whatever you're smoking dude[/QUOTE]
You're saying that the track pads are bad because they're track pads.
Track pads, referring to ALL of them to EVER EXIST and WILL EVER EXIST.
Its the same thing as saying all cars are the same.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329670]Why not stop comparing completely irrelevant things first?[/QUOTE]
He's saying that even though the things he's comparing are the same kinds of products and can be substituted for one another, some are better than others for certain reasons
Maybe Valve has found a way to make trackpads work well as game input devices? I think the simple fact that you'll be using your thumbs rather than your index fingers will make a difference on its own
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42329676]dude, [B]you're actively saying repeatedly that trackpads as a whole have peaked[/B], they are as good as they can get, and that they are actually terrible, with no ability to ever improve.
do you have evidence of this[/QUOTE]
I'm saying trackpads as a whole are shit at games. Don't distort my words.
[QUOTE=Skyward;42329675]I did read it.
You do realize you just said "ITS GOING TO BE FINE BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WOULD BE FINE."
As if they'd say "yeah our controller may suck, y'know, fair warning".[/QUOTE]
they are showing it off and asking for feedback, so, you know, they kind of are waiting to hear what we're saying. They've said repeatedly this would be an open source controller available for hacking.
the fuck is the problem with having some faith in a new technology. no one is saying this is jesus level technology.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329687]I'm saying trackpads as a whole are shit at games. Don't distort my words.[/QUOTE]
No, thats exactly what you're saying.
Stop trying to deny it, theres 3 pages of evidence.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329687]I'm saying trackpads as a whole are shit at games. Don't distort my words.[/QUOTE]
no. I'm not distorting anything. Why are trackpads shit at games? Because they lack finesse, tactile feedback, and they are disorienting to use for aiming.
You are saying right now, NONE of those problems can ever, EVER be fixed. By anyone. Because you know better.
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