I really want to try this thing out. I'm mostly worried about what people would think if they saw that controller sitting on a shelf in a store. What's going to make somebody buy this over something something like the Xbox one controller?
[QUOTE=DeandreT;42329796]I really want to try this thing out. I'm mostly worried about what people would think if they saw that controller sitting on a shelf in a store. What's going to make somebody buy this over something something like the Xbox one controller?[/QUOTE]
Nothing, this controller is for a certain purpose. PCs can make use of either one so it doesn't really matter which one you use they'll both work.
[video=youtube;FiCqlYKRlAA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiCqlYKRlAA[/video]
before people continue on thinking "haptic feedback" is bullshit PR.
[QUOTE=Juniez;42329769]sounds like the same kind of pessimism surrounding the virtual reality field until like a year ago[/QUOTE]
Indeed. There are actually a few people who have tried the controller, or at least prototypes for it.
[quote=Chris Remo]I used a Steam Controller a few months ago; the button configuration was different at the time, but the cursor pads worked amazingly well.[/quote]
[quote]@chrisremo I know you can't say much, but the haptic feedback on the pads does it really help? :)[/quote]
[quote=Chris Remo].@firehair12000 Yes, it makes it feel like you're actually operating a real physically mechanical device, not just a touchscreen.[/quote]
Skepticism is understandable. Faith is understandable.
Those who have chosen to hate it have made their point. Please stop posting finally.
[QUOTE=DeandreT;42329796]I really want to try this thing out. I'm mostly worried about what people would think if they saw that controller sitting on a shelf in a store. What's going to make somebody buy this over something something like the Xbox one controller?[/QUOTE]
If it really does work as great as they've designed it, it wouldn't get the love it deserved. I don't think the average gamer would know anything about it, or care enough to buy it. Maybe over time it will become popular, as videos and word of mouth spread.
if you really think that this has no ability to ever make trackpads work for games, then okay, i guess you're not as imaginative as some.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42329792]No? you didn't?
So before when you said that so certainly, so matter of factly, you were just saying that your opinion is that way and that you don't actually have any clue[/QUOTE]
I didn't know I said I could read the future with 100% accuracy.
I'm saying I sincerely doubt valve has the fix for touchpads. I'm saying that touchpads are pretty garbage at games. I'm saying valve fans are the fucking worst, holy shit, and i'm also saying I have no idea why i've been arguing this for the last 30+ minutes. If you wish to bash your face into a wall with blind optimism then you go for it. I'll sit back and remain completely unhyped for it and probably skip it alltogether when it comes out, same with SteamOS and same with the Steamboxes.
I remain completely skeptical. Sorry for not being "imaginative" enough.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329834]I didn't know I said I could read the future with 100% accuracy.
I'm saying I sincerely doubt valve has the fix for touchpads. I'm saying that touchpads are pretty garbage at games. I'm saying valve fans are the fucking worst, holy shit, and i'm also saying I have no idea why i've been arguing this for the last 30+ minutes. If you wish to bash your face into a wall with blind optimism then you go for it. I'll sit back and remain completely unhyped for it and probably skip it alltogether when it comes out, same with SteamOS and same with the Steamboxes.
I remain completely skeptical. Sorry for not being "imaginative" enough.[/QUOTE]
So even though developers have said that it feels nothing like a regular trackpad you remain convinced that it won't be any better than playing games on a laptop with a shit trackapd?
jesus christ guys, it's fucking normal to have some skepticism when something new is reveald.
But it isn't bad to also have some faith.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329834]I didn't know I said I could read the future with 100% accuracy.
I'm saying I sincerely doubt valve has the fix for touchpads. I'm saying that touchpads are pretty garbage at games. I'm saying valve fans are the fucking worst, holy shit, and i'm also saying I have no idea why i've been arguing this for the last 30+ minutes. If you wish to bash your face into a wall with blind optimism then you go for it. I'll sit back and remain completely unhyped for it and probably skip it alltogether when it comes out, same with SteamOS and same with the Steamboxes.
I remain completely skeptical. Sorry for not being "imaginative" enough.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329573]Man you keep saying that, but seriously, it's still a trackpad dude. Trackpads. Suck. At. Games. Period. End of story.[/QUOTE]
sure as shit looks like you said you can read the future.
okay, then you can go ahead and act like we're the reason you've been vehement and vitrolic with us this whole thread, but you came in here like a bull in a china shop ready to shit on anyone who disagreed with you. which you did.
We really need the "Bad Reading" rating back. So many people posting who haven't even bothered to read the damn documentation about the controller.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329834]I didn't know I said I could read the future with 100% accuracy.
I'm saying I sincerely doubt valve has the fix for touchpads. I'm saying that touchpads are pretty garbage at games. I'm saying valve fans are the fucking worst, holy shit, and i'm also saying I have no idea why i've been arguing this for the last 30+ minutes. If you wish to bash your face into a wall with blind optimism then you go for it. I'll sit back and remain completely unhyped for it and probably skip it alltogether when it comes out, same with SteamOS and same with the Steamboxes.
I remain completely skeptical. Sorry for not being "imaginative" enough.[/QUOTE]
Sure, you've been saying touch pads are shit for playing games. Unfortunately you also haven't demonstrated that you comprehend the difference between controlling a mouse pointer and simulating an analog stick. You could have stated your opinion and left but you made it clear you weren't here to express yourself, but get everyone else riled up.
It really looks interesting, especially since it's 'open'. I'm talking directly out my arse, but they could well come out with analogue sticks that you can interchange with the trackpads.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42329812][video=youtube;FiCqlYKRlAA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiCqlYKRlAA[/video]
before people continue on thinking "haptic feedback" is bullshit PR.[/QUOTE]
We need this for virtual touchscreen keyboards, could make them much more usable
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;42329974]We need this for virtual touchscreen keyboards, could make them much more usable[/QUOTE]
some phones are trying to do that right now
technology like this changes how "touch" devices feel and change the experience a lot for that
okay legolover, lets walk through this
you are predicting that the experience of playing with this controller is going to be along the same lines as playing games with a laptop and playing games on a touch screen smart phone
yeah, I suppose that's about as close as any of us can get to guesstimating the experience, if you're being entirely pessimistic
the information valve has given us - the [I]only[/I] information we have at the moment (for better or worse) - tells us that they have been working specifically to circumvent the flaws that make "trackpads shit at games"
those, uh, 'buzzwords' you pointed out have actual contextual relevance and make sense - for one, they're aiming to make the sensor itself as precise as they can
ontop of that, instead of more traditional (imo shit) haptic feedback systems like a pager motor spinning a little weight (rumble/dualshock), they're using much more [URL="http://www.precisionmicrodrives.com/vibrating-vibrator-vibration-motors/linear-resonant-actuator-lra-haptic-vibration-motors"][I]precise[/I] [I]linear resonant actuators[/I] (components which generate precise vibrations, operating along a single axis - linearly)[/URL]
these devices - seperate from the trackpads, mind you - are apparently being used to supplement the usual lack of haptic feedback from a plain ol' trackpad (that's stuff from usual rumble-esque shaking all the way down to feeling the texture of a surface in game)
the trackpads themselves sound like they have been designed and implemented for the prime purpose of playing games (gee, who would have thought), and the actual tracking internals behind the [B]very[/B] generic term 'trackpad' could easily turn out to be virtually uncomparable to what we have in laptops (which see little need for haptic feedback and due to pad size and purpose do not need to be very precise)
I'm probably not going to get a SteamBox, no real purpose there for me, and the controller doesn't interest me much at all, but I'm not going to apply such a general statement as 'all trackpads are shit for gaming' to a controller that we've only seen renders of, read about features which counter said statement and even [URL="http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/201195/Select_game_developers_used_the_Steam_Controller_Heres_what_they_said.php"]an interview which explicity says the opposite[/URL]
[QUOTE=Bloodshot12;42325885]Looks weird as hell, but could be interesting to use.
I really don't enjoy using joypads to aim anyway so I kinda want to try this and see how I feel[/QUOTE]
Only thing missing (aside from the ol' classic D-pad) from this is having the shoulder buttons double as scroll-wheels, which would add essentially 4 more buttons just by modifying 2, like how the middle mouse wheel is essentially 3 buttons when it looks like just one. However I didn't expect those buttons inside the controller handles; those're actually kinda neat.
Also, I hope they design their own brand of joysticks; bring those bad boys back into the scene.
[QUOTE=Skyward;42329763]Because Valve is not perfect.[/QUOTE]
They're close enough. Valve lets their fans down so rarely that they might as well be considered perfect. That's why people trust them, and that's why Valve fanboys are so loyal
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;42330054]They're close enough. Valve lets their fans down so rarely that they might as well be considered perfect. That's why people trust them, and that's why Valve fanboys are so loyal[/QUOTE]
They do some good things, but I can't say I've been truly satisfied with one of their games since... what, 2007?
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;42330164]They do some good things, but I can't say I've been truly satisfied with one of their games since... what, 2007?[/QUOTE]
I would disagree. I loved all of their games except for Dota 2, but Dota 2 isn't bad either, it's just not really my kind of game
It could very well be a great functioning and awesome new controller, but it still looks retarded.
[QUOTE=legolover122;42329139]I'm glad we have so many people here that will just blindly follow and defend something that on paper is complete garbage.
[editline]27th September 2013[/editline]
You know somethings fucked when the primary defense is "IT'S NOT RELEASED YETTTTT" or "VALVE DOES NO WROOOONG IT HAS TO BE GOOD"[/QUOTE]
I don't recall ever saying anything along the lines of what you are implying, regarding the whole "Valve does no wrong" thing so I won't even bother addressing that.
I'm not blindly defending it, and I'm curious about what logic you used to come to that conclusion, because I'm literally only calling out the actual blind criticism of a new device.
In terms of the whole "it's not released yet" thing, yeah, I'd say that's a damn good reason to withhold unnecessary assumptions, because we haven't seen this device in practice yet, it's fairly ambitious, so it'll take time to see how it actually unfolds, especially because portions of the design just might change in the future.
I do like the idea of having a quick save button on the controller. I think it's one of those things people will have to try first before commenting on the usability of it. It definitely looks strange though.
the haptics with really low latency is just gonna be fantastic
shit like making the trackpads feel rough or lumpy - texture
and I don't have any controller, but have a couple of games where it'd be beneficial on my PC, so if it does live up to the potential in any way I'll likely get one depending on pricing
that, and one of my mates reminded me that it'd be great with the rift - a controller in general for games where it helps, but especially coupled with the haptic feedback hnnnnng
Wow that looks really terrible. I hope it feels better than it looks.
It looks ankward, but that's what I said about the Wii U gamepad and I enjoyed that so I guess we'll wait and see
[QUOTE=tempunary;42331164]It's happening.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/AS6E59J.png[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/EGVVye9.png[/t]
[url]http://www.valvetime.net/threads/steam-announcement-3-steam-controller.243946/#post-3412865[/url][/QUOTE]
These people are pathetic.
The guys at Valve are probably just annoyed that they can't do [I]anything[/I] without someone screaming HL3.
I'm starting to think the non-hierarchical, do whatever structure of Valve is a detriment at this point.
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