Half of Britons support a second vote on Brexit, poll finds
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[QUOTE=Boilrig;52945533]Unless the second referendum was basically attached to the first way back when this was started, all you do is open it up for referendums after that one. This is exactly why Cameron said it wasn't going to be a neverendum because he knew at the time if Remain won, he needed to close the door to Leave pushing for another referendum. You basically play into what Nigel has been saying for years about ignoring referendums and all the 'spooky EU stuff' and it nearly plays well enough for a protest vote for people to vote Leave as a shot at the government for trying to ignore the first result, the final deal referendum might even appear as a multichoice having even a smaller percentage of agreeance across the country. There is no need to begin a string of keep having referendums until I win idea.[/QUOTE]
But then again
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52917349]
Referendums are a requirement of this coming age just off the pure distrust of government alone to act in your behalf. This is why some people are hesitant to call for a 2nd referendum, because theres a risk the same outcome may happen. Governments are formed on 1-2%, you don't want to go near this shit at all.
tl:dr ignoring referendums is bad and leads to large democratic problems going forward
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You confuse me
hold up here folks, you're going too quick for me
are you telling me that boilrig's chestbeating about democracy, majorities and the rights of the PEOPLE were simply a cover for his pro-leave beliefs, held with zero integrity and thrown away at the drop of a hat as soon as that democratic pendulum swings against his actual beliefs?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52945658]hold up here folks, you're going too quick for me
are you telling me that boilrig's chestbeating about democracy, majorities and the rights of the PEOPLE were simply a cover for his pro-leave beliefs, held with zero integrity and thrown away at the drop of a hat as soon as that democratic pendulum swings against his actual beliefs?[/QUOTE]
I think the reply will be "I said no second referendum all along and a poll is not a referendum"
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52945658]hold up here folks, you're going too quick for me
are you telling me that boilrig's chestbeating about democracy, majorities and the rights of the PEOPLE were simply a cover for his pro-leave beliefs, held with zero integrity and thrown away at the drop of a hat as soon as that democratic pendulum swings against his actual beliefs?[/QUOTE]
I mean I could make an [URL=https://puu.sh/yz9T1/0cc09a768b.png]educated guess[/URL], but nah,
who would ever wanna see people suffer just for the heck of it.
That is totally [URL=https://puu.sh/yz9Xe/a5a3cf41fa.png]ridiculous[/URL].
I just hope the best for the British to see Brexit overturned as much as possible.
Having a honest dialogue is important, and what the Leave campaign showed is,
that feelings, half truths, misinformation and straight up malice are horrible tools to campaign or govern with and people should really overcome their hateboners for immigrants.
Right now, everyone loses.
Maybe the first referendum can both be bullshit because a slim ass majority shouldn't be making massive policy changes that potentially (and will) completely trash the country, and at the same time, the same slim majority could still be a valid amount for a second vote in what is still technically a [I][B]non binding[/B][/I] referendum?
These things aren't mutually exclusive because the two are on very different levels of consequence.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;52945349]Idk how I feel about cancelling the leaving EU process (Not talking about UK specifically but I mean in general for any member who would do this)
Cancelling exit process seems like it allows any EU member in future to start process of leaving EU, then negotiating a better deal/terms to stay, then cancelling the process.
Kinda bs, basically giving random tools to all EU members.
There should be a punishment/penalty of some sort to deter these hoax initiations.
It's like a teenager who runs away from home and then comes back few hours later.[/QUOTE]
Except we're not talking about a teenager who cried wolf or caused unnecessary panic, we're talking about a country - there's no room for spite in this. Besides, a significant chunk of the UK (admittedly myself among them) did not wish to leave the EU and the Leave campaign achieved only a slim majority over Remain, so why punish those who didn't even want this in the first place? Or those who voted because they were misled/misinformed?
And besides, technically we haven't left yet.
Either way this is a shitshow.
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