• Two teens beat an 88 year old WWII vet to death in a parking lot
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The people who did this are horrible, them being black is pretty much just a coincidence.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941048]Lol what? Unless you can prove to me that urban = black then you're completely wrong and just grasping for straws.[/QUOTE] that has pretty large racial connections. if you're willing to ignore them then ok lol, racial connections are what make up most slurs
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941048]Lol what? Unless you can prove to me that urban = black then you're completely wrong and just grasping for straws.[/QUOTE] do you live under a rock its p.common for urban to be used as a euphamism for black
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941048]Lol what? Unless you can prove to me that urban = black then you're completely wrong and just grasping for straws.[/QUOTE] It's a word that can mean different things based on its contextual application, but a quick google search shows that "urban" being a euphemism for "black" is pretty commonly understood by the general American public. [url]https://www.google.com/search?q=euphemism+black+people+urban&oq=euphemism+black+people+urban&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.7940j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8[/url] [url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=urban[/url] [quote] urban 1. marketing term used to hide the fact they are focusing on a racial group 2. black people or other minority [/quote] [url]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=162446[/url] [url]http://www.city-data.com/forum/urban-planning/878030-why-urban-sometimes-used-euphemism-black.html[/url] [url]http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/07/17/is-urban-a-euphemism-for-black/[/url] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otKxEWKjWRo[/media] There's even a wikipedia page on it: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_culture[/url] [quote]Urban culture is the culture of towns and cities. In the United States, Urban culture may also sometimes be used as a euphemistic reference to (post-Great Migration) contemporary African American culture.[1][/quote] Describing an area as "urban" may be as simple as saying it's actually just an urban area, but describing a couple of young black guys as "urban filth?" Pretty darn clear what he's actually saying, there!
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41941161]It's a word that can mean different things based on its contextual application, but a quick google search shows that "urban" being a euphemism for "black" is pretty commonly understood by the general American public. [URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=euphemism+black+people+urban&oq=euphemism+black+people+urban&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.7940j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8[/URL] [URL]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=urban[/URL] [URL]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=162446[/URL] [URL]http://www.city-data.com/forum/urban-planning/878030-why-urban-sometimes-used-euphemism-black.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.blackweb20.com/2008/07/17/is-urban-a-euphemism-for-black/[/URL] There's even a wikipedia page on it: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_culture[/URL] Describing an area as "urban" may be as simple as saying it's actually just an urban area, but describing a couple of young black guys as "urban filth?" Pretty darn clear what he's actually saying, there![/QUOTE] [quote=Oxford Dictionary]adjective 1. in, relating to, or characteristic of a city or town: the urban population 2. (also urban contemporary) denoting or relating to popular dance music of black origin: a party that features the best in urban music denoting popular black culture in general.[/quote] 2nd definition fits more with what you're saying, but the 1st shows that it's simply a word for city/town folk, which is almost everyone ever, only contrasted by, I presume, rural. Urban areas (cities) are the most likely places to harbor crime/shitty people in the entire world, so calling them urban filth would only make sense, because urban filth is the most likely type of filth. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41941161] Describing an area as "urban" may be as simple as saying it's actually just an urban area, but describing a couple of young black guys as "urban filth?" Pretty darn clear what he's actually saying, there![/QUOTE] Nope, he's just saying what they are, if they called them something OBVIOUSLY racist (like the n-word, or calling them primates or something) then yeah, it would be racist, but something as broad as "urban filth" is not racist, and just because they're black doesn't change what they are, they are literally urban filth, white people can be urban filth as well.
context, lamb
When a word has both a normal and racial connotation, you'd better be off always assuming people mean the latter when using it to define people.
even if he didn't mean to make that connection he should be picking his words more sensibly
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41940559]finally a thread where i can fantasize about hanging black people! [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] kill a crip win a prize kill a vet your whole family dies. nothing better than a criminals code of honour[/QUOTE] pretty much and it's horrible but it's better than having none
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41941368]When a word has both a normal and racial connotation, you'd better be off always assuming people mean the latter when using it to define people.[/QUOTE] Why would it make more sense to choose the racial connotation? Just because they're black? I suppose, then, any word used to describe some black people is automatically racist, because there's no way you could insult black people non-racistly!
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941391]Why would it make more sense to choose the racial connotation? Just because they're black? I suppose, then, any word used to describe some black people is automatically racist, because there's no way you could insult black people non-racistly![/QUOTE] You're pretty naive. Racist shit just flows in threads like these.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941391]Why would it make more sense to choose the racial connotation? Just because they're black? I suppose, then, any word used to describe some black people is automatically racist, because there's no way you could insult black people non-racistly![/QUOTE] if you want to insult someone that just happens to be black you actually think for a second and use words that aren't racially charged idiot
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41941406]You're pretty naive. Racist shit just flows in threads like these.[/QUOTE] I'm naive? How am I naive for not making an asinine presumption of people I don't know? Whatever, you guys haven't convinced me that urban = black, you guys just seem like you're grasping for straws to make an issue out of nothing. What you guys should be focusing on instead is their wanting to murder people who commit crimes in general, but instead you're trying to make this some racist thing just because the offenders are black.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41940692]No? Here, allow me to do a translation for you. [B]this is 4 trayvon!!1[/B] Ha, stupid uneducated niggers. Let it go![/QUOTE] Okay, I'm sorry if that joke didn't land correctly. Yes, it was insensitive and yes it was ill timed. The point of the joke, using satire; "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues", was just to highlight a single flaw in our society. There have been multiple attacks on other people with the reason being "This is for Trayvon". Attacking people based off of a man being proven innocent and let free for a crime he was proven to be in the right of is stupid. These guys murdered an innocent war vet with absolutely no reason, nearing, practically mirroring the stupidity of the individuals who thought it would be alright to murder innocent people because a man was proven innocent. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but in no way, shape or form was I being racist. Especially not "ha, stupid undereducated niggers" racist. I was associating the type of mindset found in the "this is for Trayvon" attacks with this attack against the vet. That is all.
So you mean the fact that popular media and the general public understands and accepts "urban" as a contemporary slang term or euphemism for "black", which is even recognized by the Oxford English dictionary as a common usage of the word, plays no part whatsoever in this dude's choice of wording? Let's be real, here. You may as well be arguing that "faggot" just means a collection of sticks.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41941441]So you mean the fact that popular media and the general public understands and accepts "urban" as a contemporary slang term or euphemism for "black", which is even recognized by the Oxford English dictionary as a common usage of the word, plays no part whatsoever in this dude's choice of wording? Let's be real, here. You may as well be arguing that "faggot" just means a collection of sticks.[/QUOTE] Well I've sure never heard anyone use urban in a racist way, well, I mean, you seem to think using it against blacks is racist automatically, so maybe it's just self fulfilling in that way. Black people commit crime, live in urban area: urban filth = RACIST! White people commit crime, live in urban area: urban filth = ????
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941458]Well I've sure never heard anyone use urban in a racist way, well, I mean, you seem to think using it against blacks is racist automatically, so maybe it's just self fulfilling in that way.[/QUOTE] no it isn't, you just want to ignore the fact that you're wrong here i'm pretty sure the views of pretty much all mainstream media and even the fuckin' dictionary take place over yours
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941416]I'm naive? How am I naive for not making an asinine presumption of people I don't know? [/quote] The fact that everyone else in the thread can make the connection you can't pretty much sums it up on how naive you are. [quote] Whatever, you guys haven't convinced me that urban = black, [b]you guys just seem like you're grasping for straws[/b] to make an issue out of nothing. What you guys should be focusing on instead is their wanting to murder people who commit crimes in general, but instead you're trying to make this some racist thing just because the offenders are black.[/QUOTE] The irony.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41941441] Let's be real, here. You may as well be arguing that "faggot" just means a collection of sticks.[/QUOTE] hit the nail on the head.
[QUOTE=Cjmax;41941429]Okay, I'm sorry if that joke didn't land correctly. Yes, it was insensitive and yes it was ill timed. The point of the joke, using satire; "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues", was just to highlight a single flaw in our society. There have been multiple attacks on other people with the reason being "This is for Trayvon". Attacking people based off of a man being proven innocent and let free for a crime he was proven to be in the right of is stupid. These guys murdered an innocent war vet with absolutely no reason, nearing, practically mirroring the stupidity of the individuals who thought it would be alright to murder innocent people because a man was proven innocent. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but in no way, shape or form was I being racist. Especially not "ha, stupid undereducated niggers" racist. I was associating the type of mindset found in the "this is for Trayvon" attacks with this attack against the vet. That is all.[/QUOTE] Right, dude. I know what satire is. The problem is, your entire "satirical" premise is based on the fact that these are two young black dudes. You're attempting to satirize the "Justice for Trayvon" crowd through misspellings and race-hatred, implying that they are, and these two people are, just a bunch of uneducated black people who hate upstanding white folk. So, please. Explain how this isn't deeply racist? [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941416]I'm naive? How am I naive for not making an asinine presumption of people I don't know? Whatever, you guys haven't convinced me that urban = black, you guys just seem like you're grasping for straws to make an issue out of nothing. What you guys should be focusing on instead is their wanting to murder people who commit crimes in general, [B]but instead you're trying to make this some racist thing just because the offenders are black. [/B] [/QUOTE] Just because the offenders are black, and a shockingly large amount of people in this thread are referring to them with racial slurs and offensive euphemisms, and calling for them to be lynched, you mean? Yeah, weird thing to focus on. The dudes did something horrible, and they were black. Yeah. I get that. That doesn't justify demanding a good old fashioned lynching for this "urban" filth, though. That is blatantly, inexcusably racist. You can't sidestep that unless you're just willfully choosing to ignore it.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941458]Black people commit crime, live in urban area: urban filth = RACIST! White people commit crime, live in urban area: urban filth = ????[/QUOTE] You mean that racist words are only aimed at a certain minority ? My whole world has been shaken to the core, I need a moment
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941458]Well I've sure never heard anyone use urban in a racist way, well, I mean, you seem to think using it against blacks is racist automatically, so maybe it's just self fulfilling in that way. Black people commit crime, live in urban area: urban filth = RACIST! White people commit crime, live in urban area: urban filth = ????[/QUOTE] He's not making it an automatic connection. He's pointing out that contextually, the denominator urban is rascist, as acknowledged by MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU. You know that bit in Clerks 2? The Porch Monkies bit? "Porch monkey isn't rascit! My grannie always called me a porch monkey when I'd sit on the porch and stare at people!" Basic, sure. Neither of those words, porch or monkey, contain inherent racial charge. But Monkey is a popular european euphemism for black, and porch monkey is a somewhat dated, US. South Eastern slang term with the same equity as 'nigger.' When you refer to these black people as urban filth, you are not contextually saying "These people who live in a city are themselves degenerates." Your language is contextually implicit of "These black people are filth." This stems from the fact that 'urban' is a gentle euphemism for ghetto or project, two types of urban landmark which are often full of black people for various socioeconomic reasons. They do not EXCLUSIVELY possess these places, but it is with enough frequency and with enough social weight that more people who ARE NOT YOU have put the two together. tl;dr stop being an autistic snowflake
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;41941545]He's not making it an automatic connection. He's pointing out that contextually, the denominator urban is rascist, as acknowledged by MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU. You know that bit in Clerks 2? The Porch Monkies bit? "Porch monkey isn't rascit! My grannie always called me a porch monkey when I'd sit on the porch and stare at people!" Basic, sure. Neither of those words, porch or monkey, contain inherent racial charge. But Monkey is a popular european euphemism for black, and porch monkey is a somewhat dated, US. South Eastern slang term with the same equity as 'nigger.' When you refer to these black people as urban filth, you are not contextually saying "These people who live in a city are themselves degenerates." Your language is contextually implicit of "These black people are filth." This stems from the fact that 'urban' is a gentle euphemism for ghetto or project, two types of urban landmark which are often full of black people for various socioeconomic reasons. They do not EXCLUSIVELY possess these places, but it is with enough frequency and with enough social weight that more people who ARE NOT YOU have put the two together. tl;dr stop being an autistic snowflake[/QUOTE] Alright sorry, I never had any experience with urban being used in a racist way, so I was just flabbergasted at seeing someone accuse someone of being racist for saying it. If slang has dictated that urban filth means black, then alright, I have never seen it, but it's good that I'm "autistic" now because I didn't know that a phrase/word was/is a common racial euphemism. Apparently it's not common enough for me to know though, so that's a little weird, don't you think? Also lol, nice appeal to the majority. Facepunch is a gigantic bandwagon lead by a narrow minded "liberal" viewpoint.
well fuck
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941577]Alright sorry, I never had any experience with urban being used in a racist way, so I was just flabbergasted at seeing someone accuse someone of being racist for saying it. If slang has dictated that urban filth means black, then alright, I have never seen it, but it's good that I'm "autistic" now because I didn't know that a phrase/word was/is a common racial euphemism. Apparently it's not common enough for me to know though, so that's a little weird, don't you think? Also lol, nice appeal to the majority. Facepunch is a gigantic bandwagon lead by a narrow minded "liberal" viewpoint.[/QUOTE] Proven wrong? Fuck this "liberal" bandwagon, anyway! Think for yourselves, idiots :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41941654]Proven wrong? Fuck this "liberal" bandwagon, anyway! Think for yourselves, idiots :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] I've known about the ridiculousness of Facepunch for months now, it has nothing to do with this thread at all. If you feel the need to ignore the truth, then that's fine, you can continue being part of it. To be fair, you can't really prove me wrong when language is all about interpretation, you interpret it as racist, I don't, there are no objective truths regarding this because you have no idea the intention of the people making the post, and as you have said, you are just ASSUMING they are under the guise of "context" as if everyone acts exactly like you think they do, because you're right!~
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941577]Alright sorry, I never had any experience with urban being used in a racist way, so I was just flabbergasted at seeing someone accuse someone of being racist for saying it. If slang has dictated that urban filth means black, then alright, I have never seen it, but it's good that I'm "autistic" now because I didn't know that a phrase/word was/is a common racial euphemism. Apparently it's not common enough for me to know though, so that's a little weird, don't you think? Also lol, nice appeal to the majority. Facepunch is a gigantic bandwagon lead by a narrow minded "liberal" viewpoint.[/QUOTE] grr, i can't believe i was wrong. better go all out and call them "liberals" (quotes for extra effect) or else i'll look like a tool oh wait
That's so fucked up, I hope they find those pieces of shit.
Why is everyone here talking about racism, when in fact the action of talking about racism encourages racism even more? This whole thread so far has been a continuous circle-jerk about racism. When it's racism, nobody wins, it's just a stupid idea that people keep banging on about even when the only way to get rid of the idea is to just ignore the whole concept.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;41941016]I don't think this needs interpreting BDA :v:[/QUOTE] It's the accent, I'm quite sure
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