Two teens beat an 88 year old WWII vet to death in a parking lot
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[QUOTE=I am Error;41941727]Why is everyone here talking about racism, when in fact the action of talking about racism encourages racism even more?
This whole thread so far has been a continuous circle-jerk about racism. When it's racism, nobody wins, it's just a stupid idea that people keep banging on about even when the only way to get rid of the idea is to just ignore the whole concept.[/QUOTE]
discouraging racism does not encourage it more, where did you get that from
facepunch doesn't have that much of a negative stigma towards racism and it really should
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41941828]discouraging racism does not encourage it more, where did you get that from
facepunch doesn't have that much of a negative stigma towards racism and it really should[/QUOTE]
Discouraging anything encourages it. Just noting something will make someone do it, the only way to get rid of something is to ignore it.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41941690]I've known about the ridiculousness of Facepunch for months now, it has nothing to do with this thread at all. If you feel the need to ignore the truth, then that's fine, you can continue being part of it. To be fair, you can't really prove me wrong when language is all about interpretation, you interpret it as racist, I don't, there are no objective truths regarding this because you have no idea the intention of the people making the post, and as you have said, you are just ASSUMING they are under the guise of "context" as if everyone acts exactly like you think they do, because you're right!~[/QUOTE]
Then perhaps you should leave? Yes, Facepunch is frequently ridiculous, but if you're so frustrated by people disagreeing with you that all you can do is throw your hands up and cry foul for being "ganged up on" by a bunch of "bandwagoners" who "refuse to see the truth" then it stands to reason that you're not emotionally suited for a forum environment. Don't you think?
The Fuck is wrong with people , I mean who the fuck does that,assholes
[QUOTE=I am Error;41941845]Discouraging anything encourages it. Just noting something will make someone do it, the only way to get rid of something is to ignore it.[/QUOTE]
it'll make one or two idiots do it. with hope, a lot more won't in the future
but knowing facepunch..
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ignoring racism won't make it go away. that's the worst solution to a huge problem i've ever heard
if we just ignore human rights violations they'll go away soon enough right
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41941889]it'll make one or two idiots do it. with hope, a lot more won't in the future
but knowing facepunch..
[editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
ignoring racism won't make it go away. that's the worst solution to a huge problem i've ever heard
if we just ignore human rights violations they'll go away soon enough right[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying ignore when someone is being racist, I'm saying just leave the concept of it all together.
so how come this hasn't been plastered all over national news as a hate crime yet
that's just downright impossible when some people are so ignorant
@ error
[QUOTE=I am Error;41941845]Discouraging anything encourages it. Just noting something will make someone do it, the only way to get rid of something is to ignore it.[/QUOTE]
lol arent there only like 20 black people in finland that is one of the worst "solutions" to any racial problems
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942098]that's just downright impossible when some people are so ignorant
@ error[/QUOTE]
It sort of is, yes. Even though I would love to see complete equality I very much doubt I'll ever get to see it, but that won't stop me from telling you what's my opinion. In the discussion of racism and alike, principles are really the only thing that matter.
[QUOTE=Beelzebub;41942131]lol arent there only like 20 black people in finland that is one of the worst "solutions" to any racial problems[/QUOTE]
That is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in a long time. There are a lot of black people in Finland and even more coming every year. You clearly don't know much about Finland.
Neither of you are known to be correct about what you're saying, so I would say that unless someone can fashion sociological proof that discouraging something just makes it worse, then I don't think we can get anywhere but shit slinging. The shit slinging begins just one post later...
discouraging something does not make the problem which is being discouraged worse in principle, the people that are part of the problem are what makes it worse
not the victims, the perpetrators.
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stop trying to take the last word when you're just spewing shit please
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942182]discouraging something does not make the problem which is being discouraged worse in principle, the people that are part of the problem are what makes it worse
not the victims, the perpetrators.
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stop trying to take the last word when you're just spewing shit please[/QUOTE]
Your only argument is what you say, you have no proof that he's wrong, and he has no proof you're wrong. Why are you guys even bothering to argue over something that you guys have no idea is true or not true?
i don't need proof to prove something that should be common sense
discouraging a bad thing in principle is always good. that's what discouragment is meant to be for. if you can't see that then i have no idea how to explain something so simple to you
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942216]i don't need proof to prove something that should be common sense
discouraging a bad thing in principle is always good. that's what discouragment is meant to be for. if you can't see that then i have no idea how to explain something so simple to you[/QUOTE]
Human nature seems to be that each individual thinks they're objectively correct and can never be wrong, the only time that people ever change their opinions are when they aren't blinded by anger/sadness by being shamed. Being shamed doesn't stop obese people from eating so much, does it?
yeah it kind of does actually
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if discouraging racism wasn't effective we'd still be in the 1960's right now
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942264]yeah it kind of does actually
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if discouraging racism wasn't effective we'd still be in the 1960's right now[/QUOTE]
We left the 60's because our laws changed, but now we don't have laws to deal with, we have people to deal with. Making people more bitter and upset doesn't encourage them to change their minds, it encourages them to get...bitter and upset.
Also no, fat shaming doesn't work, check it: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/fat-shaming-weight-gain_n_3670560.html[/url]
those laws discourage racism
thanks for proving me right lol
we have always been dealing with those people, what else are those laws doing. stopping the magical racism of nature?
also yes fat shaming doesn't really work all that much but the image of the perfect human definitely does convince overweight people to eat healthier to an extent. not exactly discouragement but in a way it still is. they're not directly being called out for being overweight, they're just being called out for not being the 'perfect' human
Racism will eventually go away, that's just how society will develop, with growing education and knowledge, with lessening conflicts between races and with lessening divides between them in terms of crime or income or something (which are lessening), racism will become a thing of the past. It is a slow process, obviously.
discouragement of things deemed to be 'bad' is one of the biggest parts of any societal evolution
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942343]those laws discourage racism
thanks for proving me right lol
also yes fat shaming doesn't really work all that much but the image of the perfect human definitely does convince overweight people to eat healthier to an extent. not exactly discouragement but in a way it still is. they're not directly being called out for being overweight, they're just being called out for not being the 'perfect' human[/QUOTE]
Look dude you don't have to be constantly condescending.
Those laws don't discourage racism, they just make everyone equal in the eyes of the law, which isn't inherently "discouraging racism", but rather a start to setting everything right.
I don't think people call fat people out for not being a perfect human, I think they call them out for being fat.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41942354]Racism will eventually go away, that's just how society will develop, with growing education and knowledge, with lessening conflicts between races and with lessening divides between them in terms of crime or income or something (which are lessening), racism will become a thing of the past. It is a slow process, obviously.[/QUOTE]
No it won't. Not with media portraying it at every vantage point they get. Or in cases like these. Or you know, statistics that are being scientifically proven about racism, and the differences based on being Caucasian or black or asian, etc.
Racism will always be around. When it starts to mean nothing, is when it will go away. Which is never.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942362]discouragement of things deemed to be 'bad' is one of the biggest parts of any societal evolution[/QUOTE]
I don't think people stop being racist because of being discouraged, I don't think that has ever been the case, it just kinda loses its grip on people who have less and less REASON to be racist, along with racism being lost through the generations of a family.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41942365]Look dude you don't have to be constantly condescending.
Those laws don't discourage racism, they just make everyone equal in the eyes of the law, which isn't inherently "discouraging racism", but rather a start to setting everything right.
I don't think people call fat people out for not being a perfect human, I think they call them out for being fat.[/QUOTE]
why are you of all people calling me condescending? you tried to look down at me and error debating about something with downright wrong semantical crap as if you're always correct
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942216]i don't need proof to prove something that should be common sense
discouraging a bad thing in principle is always good. that's what discouragment is meant to be for. if you can't see that then i have no idea how to explain something so simple to you[/QUOTE]
You will always need proof, without proof you cannot say something as a fact.
I am not going to tell you that what I say is in fact, a fact, but that I have myself seen discouragement work less and ignoring something more. To leave something behind you must first forget it.
If you're going to continue saying you're right and I'm wrong we'll end up in a nasty circle-jerk and that's really not what good arguments are, so neither one of us can really tell which one is correct, it's completely opinion. In the future I'd advise you not to be so arrogant when talking about opinions and opinions only.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41942390]I don't think people stop being racist because of being discouraged, I don't think that has ever been the case, it just kinda loses its grip on people who have less and less REASON to be racist, along with racism being lost through the generations of a family.[/QUOTE]
those laws you mentioned are discouraging those people from being racist through government power. tripping over yourself a bit here
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942396]why are you of all people calling me condescending? you tried to look down at me and error debating about something with downright wrong semantical crap as if you're always correct[/QUOTE]
Way to be non-condescending.
shit my automerge
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942396]why are you of all people calling me condescending? you tried to look down at me and error debating about something with downright wrong semantical crap as if you're always correct[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you talking about? I never looked down on you guys, I was just telling you guys the futility of your arguing.
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942412]those laws you mentioned are discouraging those people from being racist through government power. tripping over yourself a bit here[/QUOTE]
You're literally the only person attempting to be rude here, and for what? What does this gain you? Stop, please.
They don't discourage people, the only way those laws could discourage people from being racist is if they punish people for BEING RACIST, which is fucking evil and should never be done because that's against freedom of speech or whatever.
They USED to encourage racism, but since, in the eyes of the law, all are equal, it now simply doesn't do anything, and now society is left to deal with the straggling racism.
[QUOTE=I am Error;41942402]You will always need proof, without proof you cannot say something as a fact.
I am not going to tell you that what I say is in fact, a fact, but that I have myself seen discouragement work less and ignoring something more. To leave something behind you must first forget it.
If you're going to continue saying you're right and I'm wrong we'll end up in a nasty circle-jerk and that's really not what good arguments are, so neither one of us can really tell which one is correct, it's completely opinion. In the future I'd advise you not to be so arrogant when talking about opinions and opinions only.[/QUOTE]
you're right, discouragement in some areas may work less and less over time. but it absolutely does have a positive effect in principle, the thing that makes it less effective is ignorance
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942425]you're right, discouragement in some areas may work less and less over time. but it absolutely does have a positive effect in principle, the thing that makes it less effective is ignorance[/QUOTE]
So if ignorance makes it ineffective, then why are you arguing for it? Everyone is ignorant, as I already mentioned, of other people's beliefs, and being shamed for their beliefs will only make them multiply their ignorance.
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