Two teens beat an 88 year old WWII vet to death in a parking lot
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41942437]So if ignorance makes it ineffective, then why are you arguing for it? Everyone is ignorant, as I already mentioned, of other people's beliefs,[B] and being shamed for their beliefs will only make them multiply their ignorance.[/B][/QUOTE]
you keep mixing up discouragement and shaming. providing help and non harmful methods for teaching people that racism is wrong is entirely different from shaming them
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i mean, they're both a kind of discouragement at the end of the day, but you should be arguing against shaming. not discouragement as a whole, because it is simple fact that it has a positive effect for societal evolution if done correctly in a non harmful way. if it becomes less effective, you move to another method
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942453]you keep mixing up discouragement and shaming. providing help and non harmful methods for teaching people that racism is wrong is entirely different from shaming them
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i mean, they're both a kind of discouragement at the end of the day, but you should be arguing against shaming.[/QUOTE]
Oh, then what are we even arguing here
you're arguing that i'm not providing facts or anything like that when i actually am, you're just misreading an twisting my words
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it's as if you think public shaming is the only kind of discouragement in existance
i call you condescending because you are, dude. you don't really read in to the viewpoint of other posters. don't call me out for it because that isn't what i'm doing
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41940538]Well, shoot! I'd better spread the word! I'm sure all the ignorant chuckleheads who justify racism with broad generalizations and blatant bigotry will immediately strike it from their list of slurs and euphemisms when they get wind of [I]this[/I] little pearl of wisdom![/QUOTE]
given how you were the one who automatically associated urban with black people...
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942482]you're arguing that i'm not providing facts or anything like that when i actually am, you're just misreading an twisting my words[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, I remember now, we're arguing that ignoring racism will make it go away, well ignoring in what sense?
If we ignore it from person to person, then I think that's for the better, but if we ignore it educationally, then that's stupid and will never lead to any development.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;41942494]given how you were the one who automatically associated urban with black people...[/QUOTE]
it's as if you haven't paid attention to a single one of his posts
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41942508]Oh yeah, I remember now, we're arguing that ignoring racism will make it go away, well ignoring in what sense?
If we ignore it from person to person, then I think that's for the better, but if we ignore it educationally, then that's stupid and will never lead to any development.[/QUOTE]
i never said that ignoring racism is good. it is a problem that needs attention paid to and any sensible person would agree
ignorcing [I]racists[/I] is not the same as ignoring [I]racism.[/I] we cannot just ignore a huge problem, but we can ignore individuals who will only carry their bigoted views further if paid attention to
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942482]you're arguing that i'm not providing facts or anything like that when i actually am, you're just misreading an twisting my words
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it's as if you think public shaming is the only kind of discouragement in existance
i call you condescending because you are, dude. you don't really read in to the viewpoint of other posters. don't call me out for it because that isn't what i'm doing[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? I'm attempting to understand your viewpoint right now and tell you why I think you're wrong in an attempt to, well, argue. If I was being intolerant of your viewpoint, then I'd be saying things like [quote=FlubberNugget]thanks for proving me right lol[/quote]
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942514]it's as if you haven't paid attention to a single one of his posts
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i never said that ignoring racism is good. it is a problem that needs attention paid to and any sensible person would agree
ignorcing [I]racists[/I] is not the same as ignoring [I]racism.[/I] we cannot just ignore a huge problem, but we can ignore individuals who will only carry their bigoted views further if paid attention to[/QUOTE]
Okay then I think we're all having a big misunderstanding, because I agree we shouldn't ignore racism as a society, and there should be attempts to discourage it through passive means (such as education). I also agree with you that ignoring individuals is whatever, as it will not help very much to argue with them.
Can Al Sharpton apologize for killing us white folk please.
Oh wait we aren't allowed to speak out against black on white crime because we are the oppressive white people who are holding them back. This white man obviously provoked the two black teens sparking their harsh memories of how we kept them as slaves all those years ago.
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41942530]
and there should be attempts to discourage it through passive means (such as education). .[/QUOTE]
That would work if blacks actually went to school. Not being racist but they have the highest highschool dropout rate.
hahhahaa look at all these closeted racists
[QUOTE=avincent;41942749]
That would work if blacks actually went to school. [B]Not being racist[/B] but they have the highest highschool dropout rate.[/QUOTE]
yes you are
[QUOTE=xxncxx;41942494]given how you were the one who automatically associated urban with black people...[/QUOTE]
im not racist! youre the racist for bringing up racism!
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[QUOTE=avincent;41942749]
That would work if blacks actually went to school. Not being racist but they have the highest highschool dropout rate.[/QUOTE]
why do you think that is plz id love to hear your thoughts on the matter
[QUOTE=Beelzebub;41942802]im not racist! youre the racist for bringing up racism!
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why do you think that is plz id love to hear your thoughts on the matter[/QUOTE]
Because their culture is shit and destructive
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41942791]yes you are[/QUOTE]
52% of black students graduate from highschool. But okay:dance:
[QUOTE=avincent;41942861]Because their culture is shit
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52% of black students graduate from highschool. But okay:dance:[/QUOTE]
what a well reasoned and eloquent explanation thank you for that most intelligent answer! :~]
The word "racist" has been thrown so much in this thread it has all but lost it's meaning.
This sickens me, why would anyone do that?
[QUOTE=Beelzebub;41942887]what a well reasoned and eloquent explanation thank you for that most intelligent answer! :~][/QUOTE]
Prove me wrong :dance:
[QUOTE=avincent;41942749]Can Al Sharpton apologize for killing us white folk please.
Oh wait we aren't allowed to speak out against black on white crime because we are the oppressive white people who are holding them back. This white man obviously provoked the two black teens sparking their harsh memories of how we kept them as slaves all those years ago.
[editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
[B]That would work if blacks actually went to school[/B]. Not being racist but they have the highest highschool dropout rate.[/QUOTE]
I'll just pretend I didn't help my brother move into his COLLEGE dorm yesterday. You just aren't racist, you're probably a fucking white supremacist based on most of your comments. Also, I'd like the sites/documents where you cited those stats, please.
[QUOTE=axelord157;41943319]I'll just pretend I didn't help my brother move into his COLLEGE dorm yesterday. You just aren't racist, you're probably a fucking white supremacist based on most of your comments. Also, I'd like the sites/documents where you cited those stats, please.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah because I must've said ALL blacks hahaha. Google it kiddo.:dance:
[QUOTE=avincent;41942749]That would work if blacks actually went to school. Not being racist but they have the highest highschool dropout rate.[/QUOTE]
My god you nigger, and I'm not referring to you in any racial way whatsoever, but because you're ignorant as fuck.
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noun
1.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive.
a.
a black person.
b.
a member of any dark-skinned people.
2.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3.
a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.
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Oh, and you might want to look at the statistics for the whole US.
[url]http://www.statisticbrain.com/high-school-dropout-statistics/[/url]
Foreign born students have the highest drop out rates, followed by Blacks, then Hispanics, then Whites. Blacks do have the highest percentage of dropouts that enter the prison population, with 60%, but what would be better then saying "Oh well they're dumb" would be to fix our fucking education system.
Call me dumb, I don't care.
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[QUOTE=avincent;41943453]Oh yeah because I must've said ALL blacks hahaha. Google it kiddo.:dance:[/QUOTE]
"Blacks" is indefinite. You have to be trolling at this point.
I feel as though this is rapidly derailing into a debate about the education system than the tragedy that just took place, but I suppose there has to be something to instigate such conversations.
Fixing the Education system in the U.S. will be extremely difficult because they'd rather invest the money into domestic spying than into education. Education promotes critical thinking which in turn undermines the very programs that are being set into motion, like the NSA. This is depressing because a proper system would prevent a lot of crime, people would have options and possibly be more creative, designing something and engineering a useful tool.
I bet veteran killers are treated like child molesters in prison: getting a beat-down by the other prisoners on a daily basis.
I hope they get killed in prison. Honestly, fucking cunts like these don't deserve to live. They're harmful to society and act like fucking animals, no sane person would kill an old man for NO REASON. Fucking scum.
Throw those fuckers in a pit of acid on live TV. No mercy. Cunts
[QUOTE=Incoming.;41943582]I feel as though this is rapidly derailing into a debate about the education system than the tragedy that just took place, but I suppose there has to be something to instigate such conversations.
Fixing the Education system in the U.S. will be extremely difficult because they'd rather invest the money into domestic spying than into education. Education promotes critical thinking which in turn undermines the very programs that are being set into motion, like the NSA. This is depressing because a proper system would prevent a lot of crime, people would have options and possibly be more creative, designing something and engineering a useful tool.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=avincent;41942950]Prove me wrong :dance:[/QUOTE]
The education system is just one small piece of the problem. The reason why black students have overwhelmingly high dropout and crime rates is because most of the poorest areas in the US are inhabited almost entirely by minorities, especially black people. The reason that these are the poorest areas, and the reason they're inhabited by these minority groups, is a beast dating back to white flight in the 50's and 60's.
It's a big ugly mess that was spawned by racism and ended up unofficially segregating huge percentages of the black population of the country into economically dead ghettos, in which jobs and education and security were completely crippled by the migration, which naturally led to the rise of crime, drugs, and gangs.
I could go on and on about it, but I'd advise avincent (who I sincerely hope we can all agree is obnoxiously racist, if not just trolling), and anybody else who believes that the skewed statistics revolving around black people in the United States is a product of [I]their[/I] shortcomings, or some kind of violent "black culture," to read up on "White Flight," as it basically summarizes exactly how these conditions came to exist, and why they are self-perpetuating.
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This is like the third time this week you've had to explain White Flight to these morons BDA, you should just put a link in your title so you don't have to bother
[editline]23rd August 2013[/editline]
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41943657]The education system is just one small piece of the problem. The reason why black students have overwhelmingly high dropout and crime rates is because most of the poorest areas in the US are inhabited almost entirely by minorities, especially black people. The reason that these are the poorest areas, and the reason they're inhabited by these minority groups, is a beast dating back to white flight in the 50's and 60's.
It's a big ugly mess that was spawned by racism and ended up unofficially segregating huge percentages of the black population of the country into economically dead ghettos, in which jobs and education and security were completely crippled by the migration, which naturally led to the rise of crime, drugs, and gangs.
I could go on and on about it, but I'd advise avincent (who I sincerely hope we can all agree is obnoxiously racist, if not just trolling), and anybody else who believes that the skewed statistics revolving around black people in the United States is a product of [I]their[/I] shortcomings, or some kind of violent "black culture," to read up on "White Flight," as it basically summarizes exactly how these conditions came to exist, and why they are self-perpetuating.
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Why are you talking about white flight? We know why they're there but why is not relevant to trying to FIX it, the main culprit is poverty in general, that's basically plain and simple, they're in poverty, and poverty is ridiculous, we need to fix that. How? One way is education, but beyond that I'm open for suggestions.
Honestly though BDA, I have no idea what about his post prompted you to talk about WHY they're there, that is entirely irrelevant to FIXING the issues, trying to find blame is not going to help us or get us anywhere. We need to act on it, we have to fix these serious social issues, not be held back.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41943831]Why are you talking about white flight? We know why they're there but why is not relevant to trying to FIX it, the main culprit is poverty in general, that's basically plain and simple, they're in poverty, and poverty is ridiculous, we need to fix that. How? One way is education, but beyond that I'm open for suggestions.[/QUOTE]
Quarantine Detroit
By the way if anyone actually thinks its black people's fault and nothing more than the circumstances their people have endured in our history then they're just plain wrong.
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;41943640]Throw those fuckers in a pit of acid on live TV. No mercy. Cunts[/QUOTE]
Are we done yet?
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