• Two teens beat an 88 year old WWII vet to death in a parking lot
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[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41943831]Why are you talking about white flight? We know why they're there but why is not relevant to trying to FIX it, the main culprit is poverty in general, that's basically plain and simple, they're in poverty, and poverty is ridiculous, we need to fix that. How? One way is education, but beyond that I'm open for suggestions.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about white flight to explain how the circumstances behind the skewed statistics of black crime rates and school dropout rates appear so stacked when viewed in comparison to those of the ethnic majority of the United States, because [I]no[/I], not everybody [I]does[/I] know why those conditions exist, as evidenced by the bigotry and racism surrounding the false impression of "black culture" in the United States being the real culprit. Extreme poverty and self-perpetuating gang violence as a result of it is what's to blame, and those conditions were directly and demonstrably propagated by white flight. While improving education is an important piece of the solution to this problem, it's not the final word, and the application of it proves the real challenge. We need to improve education, security, and economic balance, but there's a Catch-22 at play, where none of those can begin improving without the others having done so already. We know what needs to be done, but "how?" is the real question.
[QUOTE=Desuh;41943884]Are we done yet?[/QUOTE] Can't blame him, this is a pretty disgusting thing, there's nothing inherently wrong with having an initial reaction of "kill them", human nature or whatever, you know? [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41943891]I'm talking about white flight to explain why how the circumstances behind the skewed statistics of black crime rates and school dropout rates appear so skewed when viewed in comparison to those of the ethnic majority of the United States, because [I]no[/I], not everybody [I]does[/I] know why those conditions exist, as evidenced by the bigotry and racism surrounding the false impression of "black culture" in the United States being the real culprit.[/QUOTE] You're right. I thought you were attacking him with what you said, but you don't seem to be.
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41943899]Can't blame him, this is a pretty disgusting thing, there's nothing inherently wrong with having an initial reaction of "kill them", human nature or whatever, you know?[/QUOTE] They're white apologists what do you expect?
[QUOTE=Desuh;41943884]Are we done yet?[/QUOTE] No actually, two fuckheads murdered a WW2 vet. Something that can't be taken likely. But why would it matter to you? Only about a thousand are dying per day.
Also, what do you have in mind after education? Since we only really need cure poverty, what else cures poverty after education?
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41943954]Also, what do you have in mind after education? Since we only really need cure poverty, what else cures poverty after education?[/QUOTE] Added this after my post had already been quoted, so I'll expand it a bit just to get it out there. Here is the root of the problem, as I see it: While improving education is an important piece of the solution to this problem, it's not the only one, and the application of it proves the real challenge. Before we can improve education, we need to improve security, and economic balance. But, there's a Catch-22 at play. None of those can begin improving without the others having done so already. We know what needs to be done, but "how?" is the real question. Schools in these areas cannot flourish, regardless of policy, until the economy of the affected areas stabilizes, and gang violence is reduced. But, without proper education and a stable economy, gang violence will continue to perpetuate itself. And without security and education, the economy cannot stabilize.
It seems to me the falling apart of the modern black family is a MASSIVE problem. It's all but impossible to raise one's self out of poverty with a single parent household while also providing time to raise and take care of children (it's hard enough with two parents). As it is now, over 70% of black households have single parents. If that changed tomorrow the entire situation would change. I also don't see how this issue can be blamed on anyone but the black culture itself. The black family used to be much stronger when racism was much worse.
[QUOTE=sgman91;41944084]It seems to me the falling apart of the modern black family is a MASSIVE problem. It's all but impossible to raise one's self out of poverty with a single parent household while also providing time to raise and take care of children (it's hard enough with two parents). As it is now, over 70% of black households have single parents. If that changed tomorrow the entire situation would change. I also don't see how this issue can be blamed on anyone but the black culture itself. The black family used to be much stronger when racism was much worse.[/QUOTE] This is also as a direct result of white flight and racism, though. Statistically, povertous areas in the United States (and indeed, the world at large) have considerably higher rates of divorce, single-parent households, and teen pregnancies, and because of the conditions our country has built for minorities over the past several decades, the black population of the US make up and live in an overwhelmingly large percentage of America's most povertous people and areas. Healthier families come as a result of healthier environments, and we have made a very nasty environment for the black family in this country.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;41943516]I live in the deep south and not once have I heard the term "urban filth" used to describe blacks. I think I've heard it once to describe hipsters, but that's about it.[/QUOTE] I've never heard this term either. I'm from North Carolina but I've lived in many other states. When the guy first said it I assumed it meant trashy people in general... I've never heard it used as a racist term either.
At those such young ages this is definitely gang initiation. Sickening. Just outright sickening. I'm growing tired of this world so much already in my 21 years.
~late reply alert~ [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41940692]No? Here, allow me to do a translation for you. [B]hang those 2 assholes[/B] Lynch the niggers! [B]give them a fair trial then hang them[/B] Lynch the niggers! [B]Then Hang them ;)[/B] Lynch the niggers![/QUOTE] Since when does the act of hanging connote any single race? If they wish these kids to be hanged [I]it might be because they just killed someone.[/I] Don't mistake this for defending their opinion though. I'm against capital punishment, these kids deserve to be locked up forever, if anything. But I think your translation is a bit off if you're turning "them" or "assholes" into "niggers". I can understand seeing racial undertones if the term "lynch" was used, but lo and behold it wasn't!
The first half of the thread is people going "hurr your stupid cuz you advocate death" when obviously it's nothing more then an emotional response. I don't think you would be saying "He deserves a fair trial by his peers!" if someone killed your mother or something.
The guy in charge of defending them must hate his job. Hell he's going to feel like the guy from to kill a mockingbird by the time the people get done being angry about it, and just saying "Lynch the niggers" . At least, if the local people act off of emotion rather than common sense. They support "fair trials" until something like this happens and just want to hang them. I guess "Innocent until proven guilty" just doesnt make sense to some people.
[QUOTE=Qaus;41944479]~late reply alert~ Since when does the act of hanging connote any single race? If they wish these kids to be hanged [I]it might be because they just killed someone.[/I] Don't mistake this for defending their opinion though. I'm against capital punishment, these kids deserve to be locked up forever, if anything. But I think your translation is a bit off if you're turning "them" or "assholes" into "niggers". I can understand seeing racial undertones if the term "lynch" was used, but lo and behold it wasn't![/QUOTE] Most likely because we're referring to two black dudes, which has some [B]really obvious[/B] historical connotations in the US. [img]http://worldsfamousphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/1930-lynching.jpg[/img] You want the truth? Yeah, there's a double standard in place. It may not be racist to call for the hanging of a white guy, but white people were also never dragged through the streets by a mob and hanged from telephone poles just for having white skin as a major theme in recent American history. At the very least, it is historically and racially insensitive to a wild degree. And, given the number of people in this thread that have very specifically called for a [I]hanging[/I], as opposed to some equally barbaric and more commonly employed method of execution, I find it pretty dang hard to swallow that it's not because these dudes are black, and that it didn't have specific and intentional racial implications.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41944988]*hanging*[/QUOTE] A bit needless to say maybe, but looking at that picture makes me realize how far we've come in the past 60 years. Back then, it was acceptable to actually hang blacks in public, to publicly hate them. Now the hate's hidden, but revealed under the privacy of communities like this one. Perhaps in another 60 years, racism will TRULY become a part of the past. Keep up the good fight. I've been checking this thread and you've been in here for the past several hours, well done.
I realize this is Facepunch, but you have to be pretty sick in the head to rate this shit funny/winner. It just irks me to no end, I really just want to know what the fuck is wrong with you. I'm guessing it's along the lines of these animals' line of thinking.
facepunchers please just stop beating around the bush and confess that black people just scare you
thank god facepunch doesn't run the fucking justice system
[QUOTE=RidingKeys;41945522]thank god facepunch doesn't run the fucking justice system[/quote] Or any system, really
[QUOTE=RidingKeys;41945522]thank god facepunch doesn't run the fucking justice system[/QUOTE] Yeah people totally should never have emotional reactions to things! I mean hyperbole used to express anger totally has no place in society, right?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41936241]That'll teach them not to do it again.[/QUOTE] Fuck it. This isn't rehab, this is punishment. You murder an old man, [I]especially a fucking WWII vet[/I], you don't get rehabilitated to 'become a valuable, contributing member of society", you get the punishment that's coming to your sorry ass.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;41936225]Odds are they'll do just fine. Hell, [U][B]if this was for a gang initiation[/B][/U] (probably) they'll do better than most.[/QUOTE] What kind of shitty wussy filled gang has you kill an old man for initiation. That's incredibly weak and dishonorable. I would feel disgraced if I were part of that gang.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41944142]This is also as a direct result of white flight and racism, though. Statistically, povertous areas in the United States (and indeed, the world at large) have considerably higher rates of divorce, single-parent households, and teen pregnancies, and because of the conditions our country has built for minorities over the past several decades, the black population of the US make up and live in an overwhelmingly large percentage of America's most povertous people and areas. Healthier families come as a result of healthier environments, and we have made a very nasty environment for the black family in this country.[/QUOTE] Correlation does not equal causation. Pointing to a correlation means nothing on it's own. I could just easily say, "Areas of high divorce are statistically povertous, therefore divorce causes poverty." (I'm not claiming this, just pointing out the fault) I'm not sure how you can draw a logical chain of causation for people having children out of wedlock and fathers leaving their families being directly caused by poverty because there are and have been areas of abject poverty with very strong family structures both within and outside of the US.
[QUOTE=Axznma;41945815]What kind of shitty wussy filled gang has you kill an old man for initiation. That's incredibly weak and dishonorable. I would feel disgraced if I were part of that gang.[/QUOTE] What kind of gangs aren't full of shitty wussies that [I]gang[/I] up on people?
[QUOTE=Axznma;41945815]What kind of shitty wussy filled gang has you kill an old man for initiation. That's incredibly weak and dishonorable. I would feel disgraced if I were part of that gang.[/QUOTE] One might say it takes a stronger person to kill an innocent than to kill an enemy. Anyone will kill an enemy who is out to kill you, but only a true believer will kill an innocent.
[QUOTE=Qaus;41944479]~late reply alert~ Since when does the act of hanging connote any single race? If they wish these kids to be hanged [I]it might be because they just killed someone.[/I] Don't mistake this for defending their opinion though. I'm against capital punishment, these kids deserve to be locked up forever, if anything. But I think your translation is a bit off if you're turning "them" or "assholes" into "niggers". I can understand seeing racial undertones if the term "lynch" was used, but lo and behold it wasn't![/QUOTE] maybe because hanging and lynching has been a act of terror aimed at blacks since blacks were brought to america? [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] and any americans who fail to make that connection and realize the connotations of what they're saying are shameful
[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;41943640]Throw those fuckers in a pit of acid on live TV. No mercy. Cunts[/QUOTE] can Korn play during the proceedings
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41946282]maybe because hanging and lynching has been a act of terror aimed at blacks since blacks were brought to america? [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] and any americans who fail to make that connection and realize the connotations of what they're saying are shameful[/QUOTE] it's been aimed towards quite a few demographics actually. pirates, "witches", the chinese to name a few. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] and since when has being a realist a "shameful" thing lol
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41946282]maybe because hanging and lynching has been a act of terror aimed at blacks since blacks were brought to america? [editline]24th August 2013[/editline] and any americans who fail to make that connection and realize the connotations of what they're saying are shameful[/QUOTE] i can say with 100% certainty and honesty that lynchings and racism were the last thing i thought of when he said "hang those assholes" yeah, you're the fucked up one
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41944142]This is also as a direct result of white flight and racism, though. Statistically, povertous areas in the United States (and indeed, the world at large) have considerably higher rates of divorce, single-parent households, and teen pregnancies, and because of the conditions our country has built for minorities over the past several decades, the black population of the US make up and live in an overwhelmingly large percentage of America's most povertous people and areas. Healthier families come as a result of healthier environments, and we have made a very nasty environment for the black family in this country.[/QUOTE] None of which really means anything when a gang of oppressed and misunderstood black youth's decide to kill white people for fun. 'White Flight'. Its one of the most ironically racist things I've ever heard. You are basically saying that without white people, blacks cannot survive. You are correct in saying that this is the result of racism though. Its not the racism of white people however, but of blacks. The black culture revolves around biting the hand that feeds it, hard and often. It makes no serious attempts to change itself, and very serious attempts to destroy anyone who tries. It is a monster that is fed by welfare and the attitude that 'Its not my fault. Its racism that did this to me!' You are perpetuating the lie that black people cannot be blamed for their actions, because its actually everybody else at fault. This is not true, truly racist and responsible for many deaths every year. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - Megafan))[/highlight]
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