• Obama working with RIAA/MPAA to crackdown on all piracy
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24749925]Then my bad, I clearly sounded different than I intended to. To clarify for you and SA Spyder so he can stop being a child [B]I meant break even or turn a profit. Nothing else, nothing more, nothing less.[/B][/QUOTE] Are you saying that the world needs piracy to stop companies making too much money?
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;24749948]Are you saying that the world needs piracy to stop companies making too much money?[/QUOTE] Jesus fuck no, how the fuck do you people pull this shit out of that? Like jesus christ, and you call me dumb.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24749925]Then my bad, I clearly sounded different than I intended to. To clarify for you and SA Spyder so he can stop being a child [b]I meant break even or turn a profit. Nothing else, nothing more, nothing less.[/b][/QUOTE] Still an equally shitty way to look at it. It's not up to you to decide when the money they receive is 'sufficient.' Workers get underpaid as it is, so the more piracy, the less they get paid, the more companies go bankrupt.
No, I'm not saying that at all. I meant it simply from a financial sense in that no one is in financial ruin from supposed piracy. Fucking christ.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24749955]Jesus fuck no, how the fuck do you people pull this shit out of that? Like jesus christ, and you call me dumb.[/QUOTE] The way you're spewing this shit out is incredibly dumb. It takes you a minimum of 3 posts to finally get your usually half-thought-out point across. Fact is, they could earn a hell of a lot more money. Anyone would rather earn 200k a year instead of 100k. Sure, 100k is adequate, but 200k is an enormous improvement. For companies, this means higher budgets for future titles, and thus better games. So theoretically, you could essentially blame piracy for lower quality releases.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;24749959]Still an equally shitty way to look at it. It's not up to you to decide when the money they receive is 'sufficient.' Workers get underpaid as it is, so the more piracy, the less they get paid, the more companies go bankrupt.[/QUOTE] I think if no one is in financial ruin from supposed piracy then it's not a total failure. But you really can't take downloads and say "Look at how many lost sales". Not everyone of those was a sale that turned to piracy. You can't just say "potential profit was lost". [editline]02:12AM[/editline] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;24749970]The way you're spewing this shit out is incredibly dumb. It takes you a minimum of 3 posts to finally get your usually half-thought-out point across.[/QUOTE] Oh no, I'm so sorry to have offended you, but it's 2 am in the morning and I'm tired. I seriously didn't think someone could be as condescending as you try to be.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24749985] Oh no, I'm so sorry to have offended you, but it's 2 am in the morning and I'm tired. I seriously didn't think someone could be as condescending as you try to be.[/QUOTE] It's 4:13AM here and I'm fine.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;24750004]Wrong. That's exactly what is happening. You think even 10% of people who pirate games go out and buy them? No way. [editline]09:13AM[/editline] It's 4:13AM here and I'm fine.[/QUOTE] Good for you, I don't give a shit, this isn't a contest. Again, more condescending bullshit from you. So you can say without a doubt how much potential profit was lost? Sure, you can say some was, but can you pinpoint it? Ok, go ahead.
Dude. Chill. E: All of you, actually.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24750021]Good for you, I don't give a shit, this isn't a contest. Again, more condescending bullshit from you. So you can say without a doubt how much potential profit was lost? Sure, you can say some was, but can you pinpoint it? Ok, go ahead.[/QUOTE] You can't get numbers because last time I checked, TPB didn't have surveys. You can think logically and assume that 90% of downloaders don't buy the product after acquiring it for free. Get how many millions of times a product was downloaded, multiply that by the price, and multiply by 0.10. Not difficult.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;24750048]You can't get numbers because last time I checked, TPB didn't have surveys. You can think logically and assume that 90% of downloaders don't buy the product after acquiring it for free. Get how many millions of times a product was downloaded, multiply that by the price, and multiply by 0.10. Not difficult.[/QUOTE] Wow, that's quite precise and fool proof and perfectly caters to market trends and anything involved in the process. Great job. Do you have a job of trying to condescend or are you just a natural?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24750065]Wow, that's quite precise and fool proof and perfectly caters to market trends and anything involved in the process. Great job. Do you have a job of trying to condescend or are you just a natural?[/QUOTE] I sell "derail" and "saving face" detectors and currently both models seem to be firing off.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;24750076]I sell "derail" and "saving face" detectors and currently both models seem to be firing off.[/QUOTE] :downsbravo: so clever. I didn't derail, I told you how bullshit your theory on sales is. You didn't factor for shit, just assume that all pirates are consistent pirates and that a small percent is buying games out of a pirate group and use that to assume potential sales, that doesn't factor a lot of things that doubtlessly interfere.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24750104] I didn't derail, I told you how bullshit your theory on sales is. You didn't factor for shit, just assume that all pirates are consistent pirates and that a small percent is buying games out of a pirate group and use that to assume potential sales, that doesn't factor a lot of things that doubtlessly interfere.[/QUOTE] Common sense. Also, I never said that there was a numerical link between different titles. Calculation works for titles individually, and it's fairly accurate.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;24750126]Common sense. Also, I never said that there was a numerical link between different titles. Calculation works for titles individually, and it's fairly accurate.[/QUOTE] Common sense tells you that 10% of pirates will buy a game they downloaded? No it doesn't. Either way, as I said earlier, I simply don't believe any sort of government involvement is this is the necessary answer.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24750141]Common sense tells you that 10% of pirates will buy a game they downloaded? No it doesn't. Either way, as I said earlier, I simply don't believe any sort of government involvement is this is the necessary answer.[/QUOTE] Pretty much everything else has been attempted. Developers are powerless here because of the sheer size of people willing to steal their work, and it's not like the pirate community will suddenly stop downloading software for free. That leaves ISPs and the government to figure something out and they're doing just that. The past 10 years have been our chance at fixing this issue and we haven't done anything about it; it's getting worse, actually. Either the government does something or everyone goes bankrupt.
[QUOTE=OBAMA] "This is theft, clear and simple. It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and reaching in and grabbing what's in the window."[/QUOTE] Awesome display of logic... Does he really actually think this? It may be theft but it is not the same as physically stealing something.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;22879535]To think I rooted for Obama in the election.[/QUOTE] mcain would be so much better huh
Sad thing is, the goverment could be trying to fix other shit. No instead they're working on piracy. First of all, I don't want my fucking taxes to fuel this war even more. Leave it to the private companies.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;24750126]Common sense. Also, I never said that there was a numerical link between different titles. Calculation works for titles individually, [b]and it's fairly accurate.[/b][/QUOTE] and you know this how? did you totally miss that government run investigation into that showed that companies experience very little actual profit loss? did you factor in the pirates who tell their friends to buy the thing they pirated? did you consider the pirates who wouldn't even have bought the thing anyway? maybe you should also consider that piracy just cannot be stopped in a way that doesn't shit all over your right to privacy and other constitutional laws. maybe companies should evolve to deal with it? there are other ways to profit from products besides selling them. advertisements are a good one. profits on sold music only really go to the record companies who do fuck all for artists. [editline]09:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=SA Spyder;24750160]Pretty much everything else has been attempted. Developers are powerless here because of the sheer size of people willing to steal their work, and it's not like the pirate community will suddenly stop downloading software for free. That leaves ISPs and the government to figure something out and they're doing just that. The past 10 years have been our chance at fixing this issue and we haven't done anything about it; it's getting worse, actually. [b]Either the government does something or everyone goes bankrupt.[/b][/QUOTE] yeah exactly piracy made mw2 one of activisions most costly failures and if they have another they will all go bankrupt. and poor iw will lose their jobs. oh wait. that didn't happen and most if not all of iw already left or has been fired.
Piracy is stupid, why don't people just pay for it?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;22872227]Aren't there more pressing issues at hand other than whiny corporations getting all upset about the death of an obsolete industry? I don't know, something about a war, or an oil spill? There is also the issue of potential global energy crisis in the future. But no, by all means lets continue to dick around with unimportant shit like this.[/QUOTE] You actually expected Obama to do half the shit he talked about? Just goes to show that all these fools running around screaming hope and change were wrong, Obama is just another politician who said what people wanted him to hear to get into office.
I made an honest effort to buy a music CD over the past month, going to every record store in town. I couldn't get it anywhere. How exactly is cracking down on piracy going to affect anything again?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;22872227]Aren't there more pressing issues at hand other than whiny corporations getting all upset about the death of an obsolete industry? I don't know, something about a war, or an oil spill? There is also the issue of potential global energy crisis in the future. But no, by all means lets continue to dick around with unimportant shit like this.[/QUOTE] Gaming, dying or obsolete? So, what's it like on Venus? [editline]02:29PM[/editline] Also all the angry pirates can chill, this will have no effect on anything. Nothing the RIAA/MPAA have ever done or will ever do will be enough to kill Piracy, because Pirates are infinitely more experienced at the Internet than the RIAA goons. They will find ways around it. This, mentlegen, represents internet censorship, however.
For fuck's sake, when will they learn? "Fighting" piracy is a lost cause. What a waste of money.
Why not spend money on something that actually helps mankind? And not unimportant shit like this.
[QUOTE=booster;24754498]Why not spend money on something that actually helps mankind? And not unimportant shit like this.[/QUOTE] But...but...BIG BUSINESS WANTED IT DONE!
[QUOTE=Kybalt;24753170]and you know this how? did you totally miss that government run investigation into that showed that companies experience very little actual profit loss?[/QUOTE] Just throwing this in here; [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=923459[/url]
I pirate as much as the rest of you but I have the balls to admit it's criminal.
[QUOTE=Strongside;22871952][URL="http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18815"]Source[/URL] [quote]While they may never be able to truly defeat piracy and drive it from the lurking depths of the internet, copyright protection attack-dog organizations like the RIAA and MPAA have long dreamed of the day when they would no longer have to pay for their own copyright enforcement. Now that dream is on the verge of coming true, thanks to the Obama administration. After countless lobbyist dollars from the music and film industry and a brief "public review", the administration rolled out its vision to fight piracy yesterday afternoon. U.S. Vice President Joe Biden -- whose blunt speech has sometime left him in trouble -- did not mince words. He states, "This is theft, clear and simple. It's smash and grab, no different than a guy walking down Fifth Avenue and smashing the window at Tiffany's and [b]reaching in and grabbing what's in the window.[/b]"[/quote] Doesn't the Obama administration kind of have... A lot of other problems going on? Obviously this will be as effective as much as closing down Guantanamo Bay, in which he promised to do.:bravo:[/QUOTE] It's more like opening the door without destroying a fucking window and then make a copy of whatever is inside the window and taking THAT. This is why capitalism sucks, do what the fucking companies want instead of doing something that actually HELPS people.
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