• Violence Against Women Act gets only gets 7 Republican Senators supporting it versus 53 Democrat.
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[QUOTE=Bobie;39447420]i didn't realise people took conservatism seriously as actual grounds for an ideology i always thought it was just something somebody said to show they're not a 'liberal'[/QUOTE] Open history book and read something about industrial revolution and how political parties formed, and maybe then say something. Pro tip : Conservatism is one of the oldest political idealogies, and unlike you think, we do like freedom. Conservatism just says not to fix what is not broken and get the changes gradually, not all at once like liberalism. Conservatism gives everyone equal chance to make it big. It's only your own decisions that matter. You can be millionaire, you can be homeless, it's all back to you. I'm out of here.
[QUOTE=overpain;39447505]It's only your own decisions that matter. You can be millionaire, you can be homeless, it's all back to you.[/QUOTE] And all you have to do is sell your soul to rich people paying you to lobby congress members to pass ridiculous legislation! But seriously though, most people are smart enough to know that while your own decisions matter, they don't matter as much as those who are in a position to deny you what you need to make things happen.
[QUOTE=overpain;39447505]Pro tip : Conservatism is one of the oldest political idealogies, and unlike you think, we do like freedom.[/QUOTE] who doesn't? "yeah those fuckin socialist marxists and their [I]freedom-hating liberalism[/I] are ruining this good country!!" the problem isn't with the fact that you like freedom, it's with the fact that preserving tradition - the definitive goal of your ideology - often comes at the direct cost of said freedom. [QUOTE=overpain;39447505]Conservatism just says not to fix what is not broken and get the changes gradually, not all at once like liberalism.[/QUOTE] but what about when something actually is broken, as with basically all the traditions you cling to? then you've either got to live with it or actually start being progressive. even the US Constitution - the very grounds on which one of the most powerful nations on Earth runs - has had to be amended. is being a conservative really worth being unwilling to move onto the future? [QUOTE=overpain;39447505]Conservatism gives everyone equal chance to make it big. It's only your own decisions that matter. You can be millionaire, you can be homeless, it's all back to you.[/QUOTE] yeah that must be why all the hard-working people of America have the best jo- oh, wait a second, they don't
What a shame this party started with abolishing slavery, and ended up with shitting all over abortion and women in general.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;39446210]Uh, I don't know about you but it seems that the only thing being a "straight white male" legally gives you is less legal protection and the inability to apply for many scholarship based on race/gender.[/QUOTE] White males get nearly 70 percent of scholarships fyi [url]http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf[/url] [url]http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/09/13/318153/scholarships-go-disproportionately-to-white-students/?mobile=nc[/url]
[QUOTE=overpain;39447505]Open history book and read something about industrial revolution and how political parties formed, and maybe then say something. Pro tip : Conservatism is one of the oldest political idealogies, and unlike you think, we do like freedom. Conservatism just says not to fix what is not broken and get the changes gradually, not all at once like liberalism. Conservatism gives everyone equal chance to make it big. It's only your own decisions that matter. You can be millionaire, you can be homeless, it's all back to you. I'm out of here.[/QUOTE] what you've described is basically laissez-faire economics, and libertarianism. not conservatism. also, appeal to tradition much?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;39447608]White males get nearly 70 percent of scholarships fyi [url]http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf[/url] [url]http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/09/13/318153/scholarships-go-disproportionately-to-white-students/?mobile=nc[/url][/QUOTE] White students, it's a race vs. race comparison nothing to do with males. Still though, is that only counting the number of students who applied for scholarships? Or is it just comparing the amount that applied and received them, to the total number of students of each race? edit: Also, it's not such an extremely disproportionate percentage when you factor in that they're 61.8% of the undergraduate population.
just out of curiosity soulharvester, what's your take on women serving in the military?
If they can meet the same physical and mental requirements, feel free. It's a tough job but it's good money. Besides, equality means equality, not "equality when it it's nice". Also.. I bet if I look into the female vs. male scholarships... be back in a bit. edit: Never mind, can't find any recent studies comparing white male/female scholarship distribution. edit: They can also feel free to join us on the draft, maybe them being on there would help us actually get rid of the damn thing.
[QUOTE=overpain;39447231]It's like the darwinism ; Strongest one survives, weak ones dies. The point is, conservative ones gives everyone an equal chance.[/QUOTE] Then why wasn't I born into a family with my arse loaded full of dosh?
I don't know man, these look like they would hurt, they're a bit large, don't you think? [img]http://puu.sh/1Wktl[/img]
[QUOTE=soulharvester;39446139]"Equality" edit: I just don't like the name, anyways I don't see why it should have to be expanded to "Gays, Illegal Immigrants, college students and Native Americans". I think it should apply to everyone, Equally, It shouldn't have language that only protects specific people based on gender or ethnicity (Or sexual orientation). I also believe it should be Broadened and renamed. I'm actually sick of us having to both listen to things not being "Equal" enough, and sit here and watch as legislation gets put through that re-prioritizes laws to help specific people, as opposed to helping them all.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm totally sure thats why its not good enough for the republicans to want to pass, because it doesn't support equality enough.
They don't want it to pass because they want to give Illegal immigrants as few rights as they constitutionally can, and they want to ignore that gays exist in the hopes that they can ignore the gay away, since they've been unsuccessful in banning it recently.
Straight white males get more job opportunities.etc but it's not like they should be bitched at for being more preferred by an employer. We should make the employers give every worker equal chances instead of just tossing benefits to minorities.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39446231]Women are disproportionately the victim of the things that VAWA addresses so its goals make sense, and expanding it to other minority groups is a good idea That's not to say there shouldn't be more services available for male victims, but you can't claim that VAWA is actively oppressing men or anything, it just has an unfortunate name that makes idiots not read what it does[/QUOTE] I don't understand why they can't include all race and gender groups (trans, bi, straight) under one act, and possibly rename it to something that doesn't 'provoke' the ignorant, "American bills only do what is described in their title!", types. Well, transsexual is straight considering how MTF is female and FTM is male, but you get my point, right?
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;39448810]I don't understand why they can't include all race and gender groups (trans, bi, straight) under one act, and possibly rename it to something that doesn't 'provoke' the ignorant, "American bills only do what is described in their title!", types. Well, transsexual is straight considering how MTF is female and FTM is male, but you get my point, right?[/QUOTE] thank you, the only way I could see this getting better is bringing up trans* people
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39446231]Women are disproportionately the victim of the things that VAWA addresses so its goals make sense, and expanding it to other minority groups is a good idea That's not to say there shouldn't be more services available for male victims, but you can't claim that VAWA is actively oppressing men or anything, it just has an unfortunate name that makes idiots not read what it does[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence[/url] [url]http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/rapestatistics.htm[/url] I don't know your definition of disproportionate but those statics don't meet most peoples of disproportionate.
I fixed the comic that you all stopped talking about several hours ago. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dA6TnD2.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bobie;39446995]nobody is 'free' silly buns[/QUOTE] no, in a way we're all free to do pretty much everything we ever wanted.
[QUOTE=Last or First;39448897]I fixed the comic that you all stopped talking about several hours ago. [url]http://i.imgur.com/dA6TnD2.png[/url][/QUOTE] That, is hilarious. Post it in LMAO pics.
[QUOTE=Last or First;39448897]I fixed the comic that you all stopped talking about several hours ago. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dA6TnD2.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] That hole needs to be deeper
[QUOTE=phygon;39449093]That hole needs to be deeper[/QUOTE] It actually is deeper, he's just being held up by 40 other people stuck in the hole, with the hopes that at least one of them can see the game.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39446179]America! Land of the free!* [SUB]*If you're a straight white christian male.[/SUB][/QUOTE] fix'd
[QUOTE=overpain;39447505]Open history book and read something about industrial revolution and how political parties formed, and maybe then say something. Pro tip : Conservatism is one of the oldest political idealogies, and unlike you think, we do like freedom. Conservatism just says not to fix what is not broken and get the changes gradually, not all at once like liberalism. [B]Conservatism gives everyone equal chance to make it big. It's only your own decisions that matter. You can be millionaire, you can be homeless, it's all back to you.[/B] I'm out of here.[/QUOTE] I always thought it was interesting that whenever a Conservative pitches their political ideology, it ends up sounding like one of Jigsaw's traps. [sp](SAW)[/sp] Their argument of equality is that if we are going to have an equal chance at success, we need to have severe chance of failure.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;39446670][IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FZLChf2Cwyc/UN0pMqAsnII/AAAAAAAAMTs/0hIgiw4LyPU/s1600/2035_10151196413036275_1408173545_n.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] That's theft. They didn't buy tickets to that game.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;39446139]"Equality" edit: I just don't like the name, anyways I don't see why it should have to be expanded to "Gays, Illegal Immigrants, college students and Native Americans". I think it should apply to everyone, Equally, It shouldn't have language that only protects specific people based on gender or ethnicity (Or sexual orientation). I also believe it should be Broadened and renamed. I'm actually sick of us having to both listen to things not being "Equal" enough, and sit here and watch as legislation gets put through that re-prioritizes laws to help specific people, as opposed to helping them all.[/QUOTE] ps the bill has protections that apply specifically to men too.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;39449744]ps the bill has protections that apply specifically to men too.[/QUOTE] yeah but like, it doesn't really count unless it's called the violence against humans act [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] soulharvester what is your argument at this point honestly [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] i'm pretty sure literally every one of your inane complaints about the bill and about the wage gap "myth" have been addressed several times over so i'm really not sure what you're going on about at this point
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;39447608]White males get nearly 70 percent of scholarships fyi [url]http://www.finaid.org/scholarships/20110902racescholarships.pdf[/url] [url]http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/09/13/318153/scholarships-go-disproportionately-to-white-students/?mobile=nc[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]discrimination, but rather as a natural result of the personal interests of the scholarship sponsors. Scholarship sponsors tend to establish scholarships that select for characteristics, activities and talents of interest to them. These factors, in turn, tend to resonate with students of the same racial background as the sponsor. For example, African-American students are much less likely to participate in equestrian sports (horseback riding, polo, rodeo), water sports (scuba diving, sailing, surfing, swimming, crew, water polo) and winter sports (ice hockey, skiing, snowboarding, figure skating) than Caucasian students. They are much more likely to pursue basketball, track & field, handball and football.[/quote] This surprises me. I would've assumed that there would be more scholarships available for those who participated in the latter activities than the former. To clarify, not disputing the data.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39449887]yeah but like, it doesn't really count unless it's called the violence against humans act [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] soulharvester what is your argument at this point honestly [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] i'm pretty sure literally every one of your inane complaints about the bill and about the wage gap "myth" have been addressed several times over so i'm really not sure what you're going on about at this point[/QUOTE] His argument is sort of the same thing as it was in the beginning, but for every argumentative point you guys put out he is reusing the same point, over and over. Going on about those convoluted statistics. Basically, this - [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Overshot_water_wheel_schematic.svg/220px-Overshot_water_wheel_schematic.svg.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39449887]yeah but like, it doesn't really count unless it's called the violence against humans act [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] soulharvester what is your argument at this point honestly [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] i'm pretty sure literally every one of your inane complaints about the bill and about the wage gap "myth" have been addressed several times over so i'm really not sure what you're going on about at this point[/QUOTE] thats a quote from the first page
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